Pa. begins 'puppy mill' crackdown

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Animal-cruelty charges were filed this week after a large Lancaster County kennel was raided by humane agents who seized 23 malnourished and diseased dogs in what officials describe as the first major effort to ...

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lovaldgs

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Sep 30, 2010
 
Bridge.....Thanks for your support and interesting how you know this person..They won't get me to stop at all but I'm sure they will keep trying maybe under another name? LOL

Ceil - according to what I could find out. Daniel Stoltzfus was closing his kennel in December 2009. Couldn't come up to the new standards.

That's all I could find....but what it the official name of his kennel. If I know that I can get direct information on him.

I would be wary buying a cockapoo since they are one of the new designer dogs the mills are breeding.

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Michelle

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Good Morning LOVALDGS!!!!!!!!!!gotta love all those extra exclamation
points you keep adding as you get more & more
frustrated with me...LOL)

Well accusing me of actually being involved in the puppy mill industry is a real stretch but I expected as much from you...obviously, I am not involved in that ...and you know as well as I do that was just a silly thing to say. I am a Mom of four, run a daycare in my home & our two dogs are very well loved. They are given all the TLC, attention & devotion that we give our children.

The only reason I am even on here is due to the fact that I happened to adopt my puppy through Greenfield Puppies and responded to a post.
We were lucky enough to have a good outcome and we couldn't be happier with the puppy we chose.
If Greenfield puppies does indeed represent other breeders that are truly running puppy mills then of course they should be stopped. I actually plan to look into it further for myself and see if I can find out if that is really the case.

And don't assume that you are the only person that cares deeply enough to help needy animals! I have volunteered at my local shelter many times and I love & care about animals just as much as you do.

And as far as your "old school teacher" comment and your idea that I'm somehow trying to "intimidate" you???...not at all, I was just trying to point out that you could reach more people with a less severe approach...

By the way...I had to laugh when I read your comment about me "cooling my pits"??? LOL...so clever...yet so very weird...LOL

Hopefully this is the end of our little quarrel. I do agree that people in general do need to be much more careful before buying a puppy so that they are not unknowingly supporting a puppy mill. I think we can all agree that we don't want to see anymore animals being treated poorly just to make more money for their breeders.
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Greenfield puppies is pretty reliable. I know several people who have gotten puppies from there and they were all happy healthy puppies.
lovaldgs wrote:
I live on border of Lancaster County and am involved in Stop Puppy Mills Org. and would be very leary of getting any puppy from Lancaster County in PA since it could be a puppy mill. I just checked out their website (Greenfield Puppies) and would stay away from multiple breeders who advertise on the internet. As I said in a previous post any good breeder does not have to advertise on Internet. Don't buy from Internet or pet store.....go to a private breeder recommended by your vet. A little time spent on background checks for breeders saves years of emotional toll if you get a sick puppy or one with genetic defects. For further information to help you get a good puppy see my previous post on same subject.
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Justinia

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Oct 1, 2010
 
Ceil wrote:
i would like information about a cockapoo breeder daniel stoltzfus in narvon Pa. is this a reputable breeder or another horrible puppy mill?
Is this the same puppy mill guy? http://www.caps2point0.org/index.php...

It gets confusing because there are so many puppy mills by people with the last name Stoltzfus...

Michelle, glad you got lucky so far, but it makes me sad that you seem to be supporting puppy mills and puppy brokers.

BTW many health problems from puppy mill dogs don't show up right away. My dog is a former puppy mill dog that was bought to be an accessory until she became an inconvenience to her first family. She is almost 6 now, she has inherited eye problems, she is going blind, she suffers extreme food and seasonal allergies and has other issues the vets have said are due to her being a puppy mill dog. I hate to say it, because we love her so much, but she should have never been born. Her parents should not have been bred by greedy idiots, people should not support people that breed for greed because they really don't care about breeding a healthy dog - they are interested in a profit. they don't care if your dog is suffering, crippled or blind in a few years, they don't give a rat's ass if your beloved dog dies too young from heart problems, they just don't care, this is their cash crop.

You claim you are not involved with puppy mills but in my opinion you became involved with them the moment you purchased a dog from greenfield puppies - they are known to broker puppy mill dogs.

I am involved with puppy mills too, I adopted a wonderful dog from a rescue group, she will probably die too young because greedy people don't care - they are in it for the money and clueless people continue to support puppy mills.(I don't mean 'clueless' as an insult I just can't think of any other word that fits there that doesn't sound like an insult.)
lovaldgs

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Oct 2, 2010
 
But have you spoken to the people that have not had good luck with the breeders listed on Greenfield Puppies?? Probably not.....

Lovaldgs....
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Not sure about this breeder that you mention..it could be the same guy who is now operating out of Narvon. Millers do move around or use other families to sell their dogs so the unsuspecting public think they are buying a puppy from a loving family environment when in truth the dog is from a mill.

You are right on with the hidden diseases many of these dogs come up with months and year later. Heart murmurs are big ones and I heard one miller that was giving away his puppies to his church going friends because he knew they had heart murmurs and some of the dog brokers knew that and wouldn't buy his dogs. So what did he do? Got rid of the evidence and then rebred the same dogs again hoping murmurs went away. Nice friend right? Cares about his dogs right? Naaa don't think so.

I think your word clueless is right. The general public are clueless about how the mills operate out here and it's up to us who are involved to educate them. Yes we will get harassed by those that had "good" experiences or are involved with the mills, but we must go on warning the general public about the evils of puppy mills.

We can't be discouraged until every last mill in PA and other states are closed down for good!

lovaldgs!! They need us!!
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Is this the same puppy mill guy? http://www.caps2point0.org/index.php...
It gets confusing because there are so many puppy mills by people with the last name Stoltzfus...
Michelle, glad you got lucky so far, but it makes me sad that you seem to be supporting puppy mills and puppy brokers.
BTW many health problems from puppy mill dogs don't show up right away. My dog is a former puppy mill dog that was bought to be an accessory until she became an inconvenience to her first family. She is almost 6 now, she has inherited eye problems, she is going blind, she suffers extreme food and seasonal allergies and has other issues the vets have said are due to her being a puppy mill dog. I hate to say it, because we love her so much, but she should have never been born. Her parents should not have been bred by greedy idiots, people should not support people that breed for greed because they really don't care about breeding a healthy dog - they are interested in a profit. they don't care if your dog is suffering, crippled or blind in a few years, they don't give a rat's ass if your beloved dog dies too young from heart problems, they just don't care, this is their cash crop.
You claim you are not involved with puppy mills but in my opinion you became involved with them the moment you purchased a dog from greenfield puppies - they are known to broker puppy mill dogs.
I am involved with puppy mills too, I adopted a wonderful dog from a rescue group, she will probably die too young because greedy people don't care - they are in it for the money and clueless people continue to support puppy mills.(I don't mean 'clueless' as an insult I just can't think of any other word that fits there that doesn't sound like an insult.)
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I'm looking into greenfield puppies too. I feel in love with a shelter dog, but was told I didn't "qualify, because I don't have a yard that the dog can be in (I live in a town house). I understand how many shelter dogs are abused, but since these dogs may be put down, don't you think that shelters should have less requirements. I know at least 7 people who wanted a shelter dog originally, but went with another group because of the hastle/requirements that shelters have.

So I don't know what to think. Anyone have a good cockapoo breeder in PA that ISN'T a puppy mill? because I'm really dedicated to supporting shelters and getting rid of mills. I've run at least 5 community service things to help shelters around my area.

Thanks
--- Katherine
lovaldgs

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Oct 4, 2010
 
Your heart is in the right place. Don't give up on adopting. Go to petfinder.org .

And if you feel hassled because they have strict rules for letting their dogs be adopted. Don't be. They want to be sure that the dog is going to a good safe environment.

I've already said enough about Greenfield so read my past posts.

Good luck.....

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Oct 4, 2010
 
Joanne wrote:
Has anyone heard of Liberty Schnauzers in Union Bridge, MD. They breed Schnauzers and Schnoodles.
Yes, I have. I worked with someone who bought a mini-schnauzer from there and he said it was a good place and just loves his dog!
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I bought a mini pin from greenfield puppies and he doing wonderful and is in good health!!!! I would recommend greenfield puppies...
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i've looked through all the posts, it's been very enlightening and very upsetting that so many puppy mills are swerving through the cracks, fooling innocent people.

I was looking for a small pup to have here with me, and I've "rescued" my past three dogs (two were taken in when friends were leaving, the last one, now our family dog, is 7.5 years young), so I have never been in the position to purchase a pup.

However, I don't have a lot of space in my home, and while I know I would do anything for my pet, as I have done in the past, many shelters just don't trust a college student around here. I'm waiting on a shelter right now, who sounded like they're upset that I didn't bring my lab/border collie with me to my apartment, when I clearly stated I didn't bring the family dog because he's a big dog that needs more space than I have at the moment! ughh

My brother's fiance's sister went through Greenfield puppies, the puppy checked out at the vet, but soon she got an unexpected full time job and she didn't want to take it to a shelter. the breeder, Amus or Amos King, told her he would take the pup back and refund all her money since he was happy she was honest about not having the time. And he did just that. I know there are puppy mill breeders on the site, as well as honest people who think they are doing OK.

My question is: while I would adopt any dog, I would really like to try to take in a type of my choice, which right now is a Shih Tzu/Bichon mix (Shichon). Would anyone know where I could adopt one, as Petfinder hasnt been helpful and after searching for the past 2 weeks only brought up terribly suspicious sites
I tried looking at shelters nearby, but like I said, they told me college students don't make for good owners :( I know my history says otherwise....blehh!

Has anyone heard of Omar King in Gordonville, PA? He's the only one I'll consider off the GFP website at this moment. If not, then I'll just go ahead and keep praying a shelter will let me open my home to a pup in need.....
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Oct 8, 2010
 
Keep looking at your shelters. It's possible they didn't understand your situation of it being a family dog and you didn't abandon it, you just left it with your family, right? Explain to them......

Why are you so particular on the type of mixed breed such as the Shichon. Puppy mills are notoriously breeding these dogs now because that's what the public wants. I just heard of a case where a woman got a 6 week old puppy from a breeder in Gap PA and the dog has a heart murmur. Too young to be sold first of all and breeder won't take dog back even though verbaly he said he would but when he found out heart murmur he wanted no part of dog.

Be careful and keep looking to adopt.

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tracy

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Oct 8, 2010
 
Yeah my family dog is the baby of the family at home right now (7.5 year old pup, I call him). The manner in which they responded was just....harsh - when my brother and I adopted Cody (family dog) they asked a bunch of questions but were working towards us being his adoptive family, not shutting us out. I'd go to them again but they're back at home in NY so I'm hoping to find a pup nearby first.

I looked for a Shichon because this is the first time I'm looking for a pup ahead of time and I have restrictions in terms of my living space. That mixed breed just looked so cute and like fun to have, which is why I'm asking. I honestly haven't heard of it before I started researching about a month ago so reading all this stuff and more about issues getting a Shichon is kind of a shock to me.
I won't die if I don't find a Shichon - there are way too many breeds of dogs I'd love to have but I know I can't for some reasons, this is just the most recent inquiry. Generally I'm asking about the PA "breeder" since the shelters are turning me away JUST because I'm a college student (since only one has asked me more in-depth questions and that's the one that gave me attitude).

I'm definitely not making haste decisions, and either way, I will find a pup to take in - I have the time and money and love to do it, I would do anything to keep my pets safe and happy.
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When you buy a pup from Greenfield Puppies you are helping to support and promote puppy mills. Most reputable breeders would never sell a puppy through a broker like that because they care too much about the future of the life they created.

There are so many different rescue groups, they don't all have the same requirements to adopt. I suggest asking other rescue groups what their requirements are if you haven't found one who will adopt to you given your present living arrangements.

Expect any rescue group to ask you lots and lots of questions, after all they are doing this to find a good home for the dogs. For them it isn't about you, it is about the dog, what is best for the dog and what kind of care and environment this dog will be living in.

When I adopted my dog we filled out a questionnaire, that was followed by a telephone interview, they called our references, that was followed by a home inspection - somebody from that group drove over 2 hours one-way to come see my house and make sure we were good dog parents (thank goodness that woman was willing to make such a long drive when she had nothing to gain by it but our gratitude). I don't blame them at all for all the questions and chatting and checking us out, there are just too many nutjobs in the world to just say "sure you can have a dog no questions asked".

BTW a good breeder will also do the same, before I adopted my dog from the rescue group I was thinking of getting a different breed so I contacted a couple of breeders who I found through the local kennel club. They had lots and lots of questions to ask me about why I wanted that breed of dog and about my lifestyle to make sure that I was getting the right dog for me and my family and to make sure that their dog was going to the right family.

Good luck hope you find a rescue group that you can work with!
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Oct 9, 2010
 
You have a great attitude regarding dogs and I'm so sorry that some of the shelters were so harsh with you. Keep trying, you'll find a dog. Don't give up.

Good luck.

Lovaldgs
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Oct 9, 2010
 
My last post was meant for Tracy.

Justinia, you are right on. Most rescue groups want to avoid the revolving door of where they will adopt a dog out and because it was a poor match the dog ends up being given back to the rescue. This traumatizes a dog big time. Imagine getting settled into what you think is your forever home and all of a sudden you're back in the kennel.

A good rescue group as well as a good breeder will do the right questioning beforehand to be sure that the dog is going to the right home.

Anyone wanting to adopt a dog don't be afraid of the questions it is for the good of the adopting families as well as the dog.

LOVALDGS!!!
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I would never expect anyone to just hand me a dog because I said pretty please and paid a fee - but I also didn't expect rejection to be so harsh....as if they were looking for reasons to say no to me! Rawr....

I don't know, I think it just hit me like a whiplash how severe they were, I had been to plenty of other shelters before my brother and I got Cody and was never met with animosity while being questioned.

I know there should be good shelters out there with the right dog for me, so I'm not gonna keep crying about it, I understand the strict questioning and appreciate it. Some people just shouldn't have dogs, but I never expected some places to see me as one of them!::womp womp::

And the search continues......
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I'm looking into a puppy through greenfield puppies, raised by Christ Zook. I can't seem to find anything on him, but was concerned when I saw Samuel Zook on the list. We are looking at an American Eskimo, help with licencesed breeders, Christ Zook, anything would be appriciated. We were thinking of going and looking at the puppy (link is http://www.greenfieldpuppies.com/american_esk...

Any advice on the right questions to ask if we visit Alexa? Her birth parents are on premises, what should I look for. I need a lot of help, I'm buying my first dog. All help appriciated.
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Samantha wrote:
I live outside of Philadelphia, don't know why it says NJ...
I also looked on Greenfield Puppies and want a golden retriever. Has anyone ever gone to see "Breeder - Marian Hoover"?? She is in Ephrata which is in Lancaster... but it's where my aunt/uncle live and it's a great place for them to live...
Hey! I went to her to get my Shiba Inu. I love my shiba! She's been very healthy and happy. Mirian was very nice, I would go to her again for another Shiba Inu. She is great!
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Katherine, Since this is your first dog, I would call your local vets and get a recommendation of a breeder near you. However, if you do go to Zook, be careful! Ask to see the health certificate on the puppy and call vet listed on that certificate BEFORE you buy the puppy. Ask to see the exact location of where the dogs were bred. If Zook refuses any of these requests, walk away, he's hiding somthing.

Samantha....be wary of any breeder in Lancaster that breeds more than one breed of dog. Golden Retrievers can have so many genetic defects if not bred properly and I would be very wary of someone who bred other dogs too.......Tell me name of her kennel and I can get more information on Hoover.

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