Government said we're short on prison...

Government said we're short on prisons, Dick Durbin said that needs a fixing...

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Johnny Appleseed

Melrose Park, IL

#1 Oct 3, 2012
Subject....Government said we're short on prisons, Dick Durbin said that needs a fixing....by Johnny Appleseed on the Oswego Forum....October 03-2012

Well, the federal government must have taken an inventory of its possessions and came to the conclusion that the one thing it was short on was Prisons.
The federal government in taking its inventory saw that it had gobbled up lands, banks, General Motors,education,railroads,but somehow had a piddling little collection of prisons to its name. Sen. Dick Durbin said
What to do, go straight away, without delay, and go buy one.
U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin said, "‘We’ve got to seize the moment”!...I know where theres a prison, a lovely little prison sitting desolate and alone, that I think thats its high time that we should own. Something like the "Field of dreams," if we buy it prisoners will come to make it their new home.
Buy a prison, thats the ticket, why, who knows even Guantanamo Bay terrorists might pick it.
The more the government pondered the question of whether to buy the prison the more they concluded that it was the right decision and thought the price was right at a measly $165 million, we'll stick it to the taxpayers to pay the bill.
Durbin said, thats the way, make them suckers pay, if we hit them fast they'll never know what hit them and we will then possess that prison.
I belive though, that before Durbin says, buy that prison, he should have some experience living it one.

Eric

Bolingbrook, IL

#2 Oct 3, 2012
In 1999 the republican George Ryan built Thomson Prison. However, the State of Illinois never had the money to open the prison. Therefore, Gov. Ryan wasted $140 million of taxpayer money building a prison that went unused. Even though the prison never opened, the taxpayers of Illinois still paid for it. What a waste! Hopefully the state will find a buyer to salvage the waste of taxes by the Republicans.
Me in Hellinois

Montgomery, IL

#3 Oct 3, 2012
Eric wrote:
In 1999 the republican George Ryan built Thomson Prison. However, the State of Illinois never had the money to open the prison. Therefore, Gov. Ryan wasted $140 million of taxpayer money building a prison that went unused. Even though the prison never opened, the taxpayers of Illinois still paid for it. What a waste! Hopefully the state will find a buyer to salvage the waste of taxes by the Republicans.
Lol. Classic. Here in Illinois, true conservative politicians do not exist Thug politics do. So now that Durbin is on board with this - anyone want to follow the money on this one? Anytime Dickie Durbin parades out you gotta watch what he is up to. It leads back to the stinking house he is a member of.
Eric

Bolingbrook, IL

#4 Oct 4, 2012
Me in Hellinois wrote:
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Lol. Classic. Here in Illinois, true conservative politicians do not exist Thug politics do. So now that Durbin is on board with this - anyone want to follow the money on this one? Anytime Dickie Durbin parades out you gotta watch what he is up to. It leads back to the stinking house he is a member of.
If this was the work of Sen. Durbin, he did the people of Illinois a favor. He got us out from under a Republican Albatross.
Johnny Appleseed

Melrose Park, IL

#5 Oct 4, 2012
Eric wrote:
In 1999 the republican George Ryan built Thomson Prison. However, the State of Illinois never had the money to open the prison. Therefore, Gov. Ryan wasted $140 million of taxpayer money building a prison that went unused. Even though the prison never opened, the taxpayers of Illinois still paid for it. What a waste! Hopefully the state will find a buyer to salvage the waste of taxes by the Republicans.
Johnny Appleseed's reply to Eric on the Oswego Forum...10-04-2012... the real reason for Obama to buy Thomson Prison
Eric wrote:
In 1999 the republican George Ryan built Thomson Prison. However, the State of Illinois never had the money to open the prison. Therefore, Gov. Ryan wasted $140 million of taxpayer money building a prison that went unused. Even though the prison never opened, the taxpayers of Illinois still paid for it. What a waste! Hopefully the state will find a buyer to salvage the waste of taxes by the Republicans.
You posted,"Gov. Ryan wasted $140 million of taxpayer money building a prison that went unused...."
"Thomson, which was built in 2001 for $140 million, was never fully opened, and has been closed since 2010. It never held more than 200 inmates while it was open.".... it was used, but perhaps never used to its capacity.
But you now say, even though you have said that the purchase of the Prison the first time was a waste of taxpayers money, you now think that the purchase of the same prison for more money is a good Idea.
Now the price paid for the prison which you claimed was a waste of taxpayers money the first time now cost the taxpayers $165 Million for the same prison.
Your position on the purchase of the Thomson prison,... Bad idea when the republicans had the prison built and paid $140 Million... Good idea,... when Obama democrat party paid $165 Million for the same underused/closed prison.
The cover up story for the purchase by the Obama democrats of a closed prison was that in buying the closed prison,there would be jobs for Illinois workers.
Th real motivations behind Obama buying the closed prison most likely was... "(the Obama administration had been eyeing the facility as a possible site for relocating detainees being held at Guantanamo Bay.")...U.S. Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va."....Also believes this to be the case in regards to why Obama wanted to buy the prison..."U.S. Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.),... chairs a key House subcommittee overseeing the federal Bureau of Prisons. Wolf objected to the sale, because he believed it would be used to house terrorism suspects,"
What the democrats would have everyone believe was a noble act by the Obama democrats was in reality a run-around congress to provide a prison to house Guantanamo Bay Muslim terrorist prisoners on Illinois soil.
Johnny Appleseed

Melrose Park, IL

#6 Oct 4, 2012
Eric wrote:
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If this was the work of Sen. Durbin, he did the people of Illinois a favor. He got us out from under a Republican Albatross.
The only one who should thank Durbin is Obama for carrying water for him. The citizens living around the prison will have to worry about the terrorists living in their neighbor and maybe breaking out to threaten the peoples lives. Way to go Durbin and Obama.
Eric

Lemont, IL

#7 Oct 4, 2012
Right, and the sky might fall tomorrow. Of course the Republicans are going to continue their obstructionist and doomsaying ways. What if it's only used to house prisoners from the US? Then what? What if it employs hundreds of Illinois residents instead of the current "0"? You conservatives have been obstructing the workings of governments for 3.5 years.
jimbo

Sugar Grove, IL

#8 Oct 4, 2012
Eric wrote:
? You conservatives have been obstructing the workings of governments for 3.5 years.
Of course.
The dumbocrats had the whole world handed to them for almost two years after the annointed one was elected, they chose to shove obamacare down our throats instead of handling the unemployment, debt, deficit problems.

The dumbocrats need to take responsibility for therir pigheaded (can you say Reid and Pelosi?) routines.

Obstructing?

If the dumbocrats would have thought it was that important,they could have done anything they wanted. Apparently obamacare was really,really important to the dumbocrats (needed to destry the best healthcare system in the world) that it was all they could think about and pass.

Please stop blaming the republicans for the dumbocrats failures.

It is old and tiresome.

But I'm sure it won't stop you.
Johnny Appleseed

Melrose Park, IL

#9 Oct 4, 2012
Eric wrote:
Right, and the sky might fall tomorrow. Of course the Republicans are going to continue their obstructionist and doomsaying ways. What if it's only used to house prisoners from the US? Then what? What if it employs hundreds of Illinois residents instead of the current "0"? You conservatives have been obstructing the workings of governments for 3.5 years.
"If," a small word but battles have been lost that might have been won,"IF" A person down on his luck might have been a success,"If" "Balls, said the Queen, "If" I had two, I would be King" "If" only a word, but could have made a great difference,"IF"
You posted."conservatives have been obstructing the workings of governments for 3.5 years..."

Coservatives have been attempting to return government, once again,that has been diverted by Obama from a government "of the people, by the people,for the people," by a stealth government and stealth leftist president.. Conservatives will not be a part in furthering the efforts of such a president.
Eric

Bolingbrook, IL

#10 Oct 5, 2012
jimbo wrote:
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Of course.
The dumbocrats had the whole world handed to them for almost two years after the annointed one was elected, they chose to shove obamacare down our throats instead of handling the unemployment, debt, deficit problems.
Gosh, you conservatives have a short memory. Remember, this is what the conservative Trib called the Great GOP Lie. Because of the MN election Contest, Al Franken was not seated for almost 2 years. Therefore, the Democrats only had a majority of both houses for about a month. And, the GOP obstructed government during the entire time.
Eric

Bolingbrook, IL

#11 Oct 5, 2012
Johnny Appleseed wrote:
<quoted text>"If," a small word but battles have been lost that might have been won,"IF" A person down on his luck might have been a success,"If" "Balls, said the Queen, "If" I had two, I would be King" "If" only a word, but could have made a great difference,"IF"
You posted."conservatives have been obstructing the workings of governments for 3.5 years..."
Coservatives have been attempting to return government, once again,that has been diverted by Obama from a government "of the people, by the people,for the people," by a stealth government and stealth leftist president.. Conservatives will not be a part in furthering the efforts of such a president.
Tell it to the people who will have new jobs. But, the Republicans have been obstructing the Job Proposals for 3.5 years, so why stop now.
Johnny Appleseed

Melrose Park, IL

#12 Oct 5, 2012
Eric wrote:
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Tell it to the people who will have new jobs. But, the Republicans have been obstructing the Job Proposals for 3.5 years, so why stop now.
If the prison wasn't needed before obviously, and was closed why all of a sudden, since Obama bought it, is there a reason to believe that the prison will be put to use.
"because the Obama administration had been eyeing the facility as a possible site for relocating detainees being held at Guantanamo Bay."
Eric

United States

#13 Oct 5, 2012
Johnny Appleseed wrote:
<quoted text>If the prison wasn't needed before obviously, and was closed why all of a sudden, since Obama bought it, is there a reason to believe that the prison will be put to use.
"because the Obama administration had been eyeing the facility as a possible site for relocating detainees being held at Guantanamo Bay."
Do you understand that it's no longer a state prison? It is now a Federal prison. And, I believe that it wasn't even a question of state need. It was a question of the state having the money to operate it.

So, keep on spouting the republican talking points. I'll keep looking at the jobs. Plus the fact that the State has $165 million of additional funds.
Johnny Appleseed

Melrose Park, IL

#14 Oct 5, 2012
Eric wrote:
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Do you understand that it's no longer a state prison?
Keep on talking about you democrats being the ones concerned about Americans having jobs.
You, of course, are talking about the Jobs that those men and women use to have that allowed them to keep their homes and feed their families.
The only problem with the picture that you democrats are attempting to paint of concern for American workers jobs is that it isn't true and people are beginning to realize that the democrats aren't that concerned about the working men and women of this country as they would have everyone believe.
When there was a opportunity for more oil,lower gasoline prices so that struggling Americans could afford to drive their cars, more jobs created so citizens could provide homes and feed their families what did Obama do,"...President Obama said he would “reject” legislation supporting the job-creating keystone pipeline."For the past year, House Republicans have been working on an all-of-the-above energy strategy that will lower gas prices and create jobs."
"The Keystone XL Energy Pipeline will create over 20,000 jobs while battling the high price of gas."
"The constuction of the pipeline would create more than 20,000 direct jobs and 118,000 indirect jobs while battling the high cost of gas. Once operating, the pipeline would contribute an additional $5.2 billion in property taxes to communities along the route during the life of the pipeline."
"The Keystone pipeline had been planned for years.
It was supported by Republicans, Democrats, and Unions.
President Obama canceled it."
A three-year environmental review of the proposed pipeline was conducted by the Department of State, concluding "minimal environmental impact."
"On January 18, 2012, President Obama denied the pipeline a Presidential Permit, claiming there was not enough time to conduct "necessary reviews."
Quotes from...The House Republican Plan for America's Job Creators web site.
"Today with bi-partisan support the House passed H.R. 3409, the Stop the War on Coal Act. Please see my previous article for background."
"Passage of the bill was a vocal, decisive and bipartisan step forward in telling Obama that enough is enough with his job-destroying energy policies. From the House Energy & Commerce Committee:
“In the ongoing effort to protect jobs and affordable energy, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R.3409, the Stop the War on Coal Act. The legislative package passed the full House with bipartisan support by a vote of 233 to 175.
"Obama regularly campaigns on an ‘all of the above’ energy policy. Sadly, that’s exactly what he means, they just don’t tell you about the ‘none of the below’ aspect that has powered a 4 year war on coal. This week alone has seen the loss of 1,200 American jobs:
“On Tuesday this week, we learned of Alpha Natural Resources will be closing 8 mines and laying off 1200 workers. I met with the Alpha CEO shortly after the announcement, and he lamented the administration’s regulatory assault on coal. Sadly, the list of layoffs goes on because of the administration’s ‘all of the above, but nothing from below,’ energy policy,” said Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton (R-MI).”
Rep. Upton further points out just how vital coal is to our struggling economy:
“Coal is the cornerstone of our economy – estimates suggest that every mining job creates an additional 3.5 jobs. We are electricity independent – and we want to stay that way.”
The ‘Stop the War on Coal Act’ is both a jobs bill and one that will curb burdensome regulations. Bankrupting coal seems to be one of the only promises President Obama has kept, and today marks an important step in turning the tide before it’s too late."
Obama/democrat party isn't the friend of the working men and women of America, if they were they would stop their constant battle to kill jobs that Americans need.
Eric

Bolingbrook, IL

#15 Oct 5, 2012
And, why can't there be both? Why can't the people in Illinois WHO ARE NOT MINERS have jobs too? You can't acknowledge any positive action because you have been fixated on obstructionism for 3.5 years.

More jobs in Illinois is good no matter what your party is. Getting rid of an albatross is good no matter what your party is. Lowering the state debt with the money obtained by getting rid of the albatross is good no matter what your party is.
Johnny Appleseed

Melrose Park, IL

#16 Oct 5, 2012
Eric wrote:
And, why can't there be both? Why can't the people in Illinois WHO ARE NOT MINERS have jobs too? You can't acknowledge any positive action because you have been fixated on obstructionism for 3.5 years.
More jobs in Illinois is good no matter what your party is. Getting rid of an albatross is good no matter what your party is. Lowering the state debt with the money obtained by getting rid of the albatross is good no matter what your party is.
There would be (More Jobs) if Obama and the democrat party would quite putting job killing regulations on business and manufacturing and sending American jobs to foreign companies.
Also State and Federal government giving bids to foreign companys instead of giving American companies and American workers priority over foreign companies would help unemployed Americans in need of jobs to find work and improve our economy instead of foreign countries economy. For example,"Bridge Comes to San Francisco With a Made-in-China Label" "The project is part of China’s continual move up the global economic value chain — from cheap toys to Apple iPads to commercial jetliners — as it aims to become the world’s civil engineer."
"In New York City alone, Chinese companies have won contracts to help renovate the subway system, refurbish the Alexander Hamilton Bridge over the Harlem River and build a new Metro-North train platform near Yankee Stadium"
"Team USA Olympic uniforms not made in USA"
"The Pentagon yesterday passed over Boeing's bid for a $40 billion contract to build a fleet of refueling tankers for the Air Force, instead choosing a team that includes Boeing's European rival Airbus." Boeing's rival in the commercial aviation industry, winning means getting a foot in the door of the U.S. military aircraft business."Boeing, losing means that its 767 line will probably be shut down at some point as commercial sales for the plane decline." "This is a blow to the American aerospace industry, American workers and America's men and women in uniform."
Our military equipment compromised by having foreign companies build our military weapons, more American workers losing out on jobs because their Government gave their jobs to foreign companies.
This is Obama and democrat parties idea of looking out for the American working men and women?

jimbo

Sugar Grove, IL

#17 Oct 6, 2012
Eric wrote:
You can't acknowledge any positive action because you have been fixated on obstructionism for 3.5 years.
Ah yes, the same old Eric mantra. Another attempt at blaming anyone but the Obama administration for their terrible record of debt, deficits, unemployment, loss of foreign prestige around the world, middle east ready to explode, etc., etc.

Maybe the democrats were unwilling to negotiate a reasonable solution to some of these problems, did you ever think that might be the case? Look all the input the Republicans got into Odumbocare?

Can you say Harry Reid? He won't even bring bills passed in the House up for a vote in the Senate. But of course you would not consider him or his buddy Dick Durbin obstructionists woud you?

No,perhaps you consider only Republicans obstructionist when they insist on having a say in lawmaking instead of blindly following the commands of a proven incompetent and amateur.

Thank God someone has the backbone to question this mistake of a presidents decrees, its not obstructionism, its called negotiating and writing laws with concensus, not tyranny by a dictator as was Odumbocare.

But to you,if the Republicans don't fall in line and agree with the annointed one like the other lemming democrats, they are obstructionist.

Sad and laughable.
Eric

Bolingbrook, IL

#18 Oct 6, 2012
Johnny Appleseed wrote:
<quoted text>There would be (More Jobs) if Obama and the democrat party would quite putting job killing regulations on business and manufacturing and sending American jobs to foreign companies.***
I don't know what you conservtives have against the free enterprise system and capitalism. In each of the cases you cited, the Chinese were subcontractors. They were not granted any contract by government. The government granted the work to a US contractor. The US contractor decided it was the best for his business to subcontract to the Chinese.

They were business decisions made by US business owners. What did you want? Did you want for the government to pass regulations that told the US business owners whom they could subcontract to and whom they couldn't?

Besides, how is this different from Gov. Romney when he was with Bain sending the US appliance making jobs to China?
Johnny Appleseed

Melrose Park, IL

#19 Oct 7, 2012
Eric wrote:
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I don't know what you conservtives have against the free enterprise system and capitalism. In each of the cases you cited, the Chinese were subcontractors. They were not granted any contract by government. The government granted the work to a US contractor. The US contractor decided it was the best for his business to subcontract to the Chinese.
They were business decisions made by US business owners. What did you want? Did you want for the government to pass regulations that told the US business owners whom they could subcontract to and whom they couldn't?
Besides, how is this different from Gov. Romney when he was with Bain sending the US appliance making jobs to China?
"Schwarzenegger and his administration began actively courting foreign bidders. In 2005, Schwarzenegger traveled to China on a trade mission. During the visit, state transportation secretary Sunne Wright McPeak ceremonially presented officials with a set of CDs including bidding specifications for the Bay Bridge project."
Eric

Batavia, IL

#20 Oct 8, 2012
Johnny Appleseed wrote:
<quoted text> "Schwarzenegger and his administration began actively courting foreign bidders. In 2005, Schwarzenegger traveled to China on a trade mission. During the visit, state transportation secretary Sunne Wright McPeak ceremonially presented officials with a set of CDs including bidding specifications for the Bay Bridge project."
And....?

Feds had no say in construction of the bridge because no Fed funds were used. Republicans skirted Fed law.

Got a problem, take it up with the republicans.

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