'Lipstick Killer' behind bars since 1946

William Heirens, the "Lipstick Killer," is believed to be the longest-serving inmate in the United States.

[party boy]

redrum color lipstick

[Debra27]

Hey I just saw a documentary on the Black Dahlia, and it is generally accepted that the little girl was murdered by someone else.

"Four weeks later, an intruder used a ladder to enter the second-floor window of Suzanne Degnan's bedroom. The killer approached the sleeping 6-year-old girl and abducted her."

She, too, was cut in half with surgical precision.

[GYR_PAT]

Debra27 wrote:

Hey I just saw a documentary on the Black Dahlia, and it is generally accepted that the little girl was murdered by someone else.
"Four weeks later, an intruder used a ladder to enter the second-floor window of Suzanne Degnan's bedroom. The killer approached the sleeping 6-year-old girl and abducted her."
She, too, was cut in half with surgical precision.

I saw the same "Debra27"...

[Debra27]

GYR_PAT wrote:

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I saw the same "Debra27"...

freaky how the detective that made all this known was the son of the surgeon suspected of committing both murders. He said his dad was a suspect, but never charged.

[MSE]

I'm pretty sure I seen this on " American Justice".

[Colloquy]

You gotta wonder...with todays scientific advances, would DNA have cleared him of these crimes?

[Vee]

Colloquy, congratulations on doing your first story for Offbeat. I wish you a lot of success with this and I know it will be a lot of fun. Work, indeed, however, you get to read all the comments on a story that you posted and what an accomplishment!!!! Keep up the good work!!!

[Vee]

Colloquy wrote:

You gotta wonder...with todays scientific advances, would DNA have cleared him of these crimes?

If he is innocent, DNA is marvelous. The person who murdered 7 year old Somer Thomson, left behind plenty. Wherever he is, they will get him. All he can hear since a few days ago, is "tick. tick. tick. tick."

[Debra27]

Colloquy wrote:

You gotta wonder...with todays scientific advances, would DNA have cleared him of these crimes?

Hey, Collo, was only referring to the child.

I don't know about the other murders.

[Dr_Dirty]

Debra27 wrote:

Hey I just saw a documentary on the Black Dahlia, and it is generally accepted that the little girl was murdered by someone else.
"Four weeks later, an intruder used a ladder to enter the second-floor window of Suzanne Degnan's bedroom. The killer approached the sleeping 6-year-old girl and abducted her."
She, too, was cut in half with surgical precision.

At the crime library, http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_...

they indicate that the BD's killer probably died in a fire.

[Marilyn]

3 murders and dismemberment of the child that he confessed to plus fingerprint evidence and handwriting.

He confessed to avoid the death penalty. He wasn't sentenced to until he was an old man, he was sentenced to 3 life sentences to ensure that he would never be paroled. If he is released then that would mean no matter what the public can't depend on a life sentence.

If he was wrongly convicted then prove it.

[Marilyn]

Vee wrote:

<quoted text>If he is innocent, DNA is marvelous. The person who murdered 7 year old Somer Thomson, left behind plenty. Wherever he is, they will get him. All he can hear since a few days ago, is "tick. tick. tick. tick."

You know it was a him? You should call them and tell them since they haven't solved that case yet.

Are you still pretending to be a cop? Wrong county.

[Debra27]

Dr_Dirty wrote:

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At the crime library, http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_...
they indicate that the BD's killer probably died in a fire.

very interesting, I think I was 'lost' for an hour or so...

I'm thinking the show I saw was about this theory (though it was portrayed as a done deed)-

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_...

[Don]

surprised back then he didn't get the chair.

[Dr_Dirty]

Debra27 wrote:

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very interesting, I think I was 'lost' for an hour or so...
I'm thinking the show I saw was about this theory (though it was portrayed as a done deed)-
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_...

It's easy to get lost at that site...I just spent another 45 mins reading your link and the BD link again...

[writewingproxyco ntin]

>Drizin said Heirens was subjected to days of brutal interrogation. He also was beaten and given sodium pentothal to make him tell the truth, Drizin said. He underwent a spinal tap, another extreme measure to compel him to talk.

Sounds like American justice to me - excused, euphemized torture. And who cares what the FBI said about any handwriting or fingerprints in a prejudicial fact pattern like that? The interrogators should have been put on trial just like suspect, Heirens, was, regardless of whether Heirens was guilty or not.

I just read a story here in Philly about a father who apparently physically and sexually abused his daughter in the most horiffic way.(She died, the parents appear to have lied about everything.) Instead of the benefit of a socially cleansing and redeeming fair trial and conviction of the likely monster, this suspect was "found" hanging by sheets from the bunk above his lower one. I don't have a Master's in Physics, but that ain't a likely way to commit suicide. The cops on the street and in the prisons here know better than due process, and then wonder why there's a "no snitch" policy on the streets.

It's a recipe for total ruin at every level of society.

[Marilyn]

writewingproxycontin wrote:

>Drizin said Heirens was subjected to days of brutal interrogation. He also was beaten and given sodium pentothal to make him tell the truth, Drizin said. He underwent a spinal tap, another extreme measure to compel him to talk.
Sounds like American justice to me - excused, euphemized torture. And who cares what the FBI said about any handwriting or fingerprints in a prejudicial fact pattern like that? The interrogators should have been put on trial just like suspect, Heirens, was, regardless of whether Heirens was guilty or not.
I just read a story here in Philly about a father who apparently physically and sexually abused his daughter in the most horiffic way.(She died, the parents appear to have lied about everything.) Instead of the benefit of a socially cleansing and redeeming fair trial and conviction of the likely monster, this suspect was "found" hanging by sheets from the bunk above his lower one. I don't have a Master's in Physics, but that ain't a likely way to commit suicide. The cops on the street and in the prisons here know better than due process, and then wonder why there's a "no snitch" policy on the streets.
It's a recipe for total ruin at every level of society.

Drizin is advocating for his release....he was in prison for years without ever claiming his confession was wrong.... now an advocate for his release claims he was abused, innocent...or if guilty his is rehabilitated...he is old and now has diabetes....so what? Bernie Madoff is old and didn't they say he has diabetes too? Wanna let him go?

It is either a life sentence or not....what's it gonna be?

If he was wrongfully convicted then prove it.

[writewingproxyco ntin]

Marilyn wrote:

<quoted text>Drizin is advocating for his release....he was in prison for years without ever claiming his confession was wrong.... now an advocate for his release claims he was abused, innocent...or if guilty his is rehabilitated...he is old and now has diabetes....so what? Bernie Madoff is old and didn't they say he has diabetes too? Wanna let him go?
It is either a life sentence or not....what's it gonna be?
If he was wrongfully convicted then prove it.

Well, I gather you didn't read my post.

Innocent or guilty, he was tortured. It's a matter of record that he got a spinal tap, isn't it? And the length of time he was interrogated.

I don't know whether he was guilty or not, as I said. What I said was that to claim a rule of law while mocking it - as happens systemically here in Philly and in many other cities, as proven by federal attorneys and class action lawsuits - will have deeply corrosive effects.

I am unaware of any police misconduct in the Madoff case, so I am not sure of its applicability, except that you thought bringing that up would be a kind of emotional appeal. Maybe you lost money with him. snicker

BTW, if you knew _anything_, and I mean anything, about justice in this country the idea of a coerced confession or wrongful conviction would be so trivially obvious as to merit no argument. Yet it seems unthinkable to you.

[Marilyn]

writewingproxycontin wrote:

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Well, I gather you didn't read my post.
Innocent or guilty, he was tortured. It's a matter of record that he got a spinal tap, isn't it? And the length of time he was interrogated.
I don't know whether he was guilty or not, as I said. What I said was that to claim a rule of law while mocking it - as happens systemically here in Philly and in many other cities, as proven by federal attorneys and class action lawsuits - will have deeply corrosive effects.
I am unaware of any police misconduct in the Madoff case, so I am not sure of its applicability, except that you thought bringing that up would be a kind of emotional appeal. Maybe you lost money with him. snicker
BTW, if you knew _anything_, and I mean anything, about justice in this country the idea of a coerced confession or wrongful conviction would be so trivially obvious as to merit no argument. Yet it seems unthinkable to you.

Did I say I suppoted abuse or a 'coerced' confession? I said that just because that is the current claim doesn't make it true.

They are the ones going for the emotional appeal with this claim along with his age and illiness....if there is any actual basis to this claim.... prove it.

[writewingproxyco ntin]

Marilyn wrote:

<quoted text>Did I say I suppoted abuse or a 'coerced' confession? I said that just because that is the current claim doesn't make it true.
They are the ones going for the emotional appeal with this claim along with his age and illiness....if there is any actual basis to this claim.... prove it.

I would not be persuaded by illness or old age claims or claims of religious conversion...if it's a case of multiple life sentences due to the extreme nature of the crimes. That is not the issue I have tried to address.

There is enough information to know this prosecution was tainted.

The doubt that such official misconduct casts is a loss for everyone, I believe, as in OJ Simpson getting off of the murder rap due to the clear perjury and misconduct and racism of some of the police officers.

Not to mention the resulting undermining of public trust and cooperation such misconduct - and the excuses made for it - engender.