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Democrats confident of prevailing on taxes - Hawaii News

There are 66 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Apr 23, 2009, titled Democrats confident of prevailing on taxes - Hawaii News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Ignoring veto threats from Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, Democrats in the state Legislature sent her bills calling for more than $300 million in tax increases.

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SBReader

Manassas, VA

#1 Apr 23, 2009
Hey Hawaii! Its starting - you know, the tax increases. You deserve it! You voted Democrat, didn't you?
Democrats

United States

#2 Apr 23, 2009
"For more than a week, Lingle has said she would reject bills to increase the hotel room tax and state income tax, but yesterday Democrats in the House and Senate voted to raise taxes anyway."

Welcome to the typical liberal “don’t care about you” Democratic agenda. Taxes. And you can bet your life that many Democrats who read this story will do everything they can aside from selling their first child, to defend, justify, and give merit to their party's reckless spending and no care attitude to tax payers because they do not want to appear anyway to agree with the majority of the GOP that raising taxes in a recession, or raising taxes in general is not the only way to go. Never seen such blatant in your face, live with it attitudes as I have seen with both your Democratic legislature, who by far hold the majority of the seats in Hawaii and the Democratic party in general. There should be major public outcry and protests at the Capital building as well as a major grassroots campaign to oust every legislature who votes for this kind of reckless spending.
Just a GI

United States

#3 Apr 23, 2009
So SB 1111 passed. They are right - increasing the visitor tax will not reduce the frequency of my trips to Hawaii. It will reduce my length of stay, though. I spend much more per day while in Paradise than the amount of the tax increase, so who comes out ahead? Not Hawaii residents.

Let's see what happens when they increase park fees.
Kahuna

Dallas, TX

#4 Apr 23, 2009
So raising a hotel room from $150 to $151.50 per night(1 percentage point tax increase), increasing taxes on tobacco or large dollar real estate deals is worse than laying off state workers or cutting back medical benefits (Lingle's proposed solution)?
Instead of all the complaining about the past (much of it justified), come up with a viable alternative instead of just railing against a political party
Kahuna

Dallas, TX

#5 Apr 23, 2009
Just a GI wrote:
So SB 1111 passed. They are right - increasing the visitor tax will not reduce the frequency of my trips to Hawaii. It will reduce my length of stay, though. I spend much more per day while in Paradise than the amount of the tax increase, so who comes out ahead? Not Hawaii residents.
Let's see what happens when they increase park fees.
Give me a break...you're going to reduce the length of your stay because you have to pay a $1.50 to $2 more per night more??!! That's a whole $14 for a week stay. You pay more than that for 2 plate lunches.
Northstar 96731

Honolulu, HI

#6 Apr 23, 2009
Why bite the hand that feeds us (tourists) I say we tax car dealers more so that less people will want to buy and less cars will be on the road. Tax the cigarette and all smoking items more so that the addicted ones would learn to quit and less secondhand smoke is in the air. Tax all the liquors imported (Beer, Wine Whiskies ) more so that less buyers will result in less fatalaties. Legalize gambling and tax em all. But don't tax hard working people like ourselves who can barely afford to make a living. Otherwise more homelessness than you can ever imagine and Hawaii will soon become obsolete. The legislators will regret what they are doing now.
onlyparadise

Hilo, HI

#7 Apr 23, 2009
A Dollar here A Dollar there. no worries

so there are more taxes all around

Hotel Tax
Gasoline Tax
Property Tax
Rail Tax
Airport Tax
Sales Tax
Federal Tax
Car Registration Tax
State Tax
Garbage Tax
Utilities Tax

on and on and on

oh yeah.
Its for the children
willie

Plymouth, MI

#8 Apr 23, 2009
Better to tax the visitor than the voter eh legislature.

Guess what, you can forget generating an additional 30 million by jacking up the room tax, the hotels are going to be dropping thier rates just to get SOME customers...the tax is based on rate, the less the hotel charges the less you rake in.

The Lt Gov said companies are cancelling conventions and meetings left and right. There is no way to measure those not even considering coming. Add in less tourists and you had best begin thinking how to fund all your projects either with local money or less money. The cash cow is in a diferent pasture these days.
Big John-Hawaii Kai

United States

#9 Apr 23, 2009
To make up a shortfall of billions of dollars, you would need to cut millions of dollars from the budget. Hum, how do we do that? Our legislators say they've cut the budget to the bone, hence the additional taxes.
Well let's see!
1. The 36% pay raise for the legislators added an additional $1.17 MILLION dollars to the budget.
2. Cut some of the $6 MILLION dollars from the budget of the State Foundation on Culture and the Arts (SFCA). This is the State agency that budgets $92,935 a year for a Artmobile, which hasn't been on the road since 2002. This is the State agency that has spent over $680,000 dollars on art, which is display in such places as Maui Community Colege, Kauai Judiciary Building, Maui Memorial Medical Center, UH's School of Architecture, the Contemporary Museum, and last but not least, the Hawaii Convention Center where an artist was paid $130,000 dollars for his artwork of ceramic tiles that adorn THREE water coolers.
3. Throw a tarp over the glass mosaic on the floor of the capital building until the economy improves. The State is spending more that $1.5 MILLION dollars to restore this mosiac.
4. Reduce the DOE's budget by $4,382,650 which is spent as follows:
$2,400,000 MILLON dollars for substitute custodians. Let the students clean the schools.
$1,719,914 MILLION dollars for substitute clericals.
$264,736 dollars for substitute security attendants.
5. Eliminate Deputy or Assistant Directors within departments.
6. Eliminate travel for State Executives. Use video conferencing instead of wasteful per diem and travel expenses.

At least that's a start.
Kahuna

Dallas, TX

#10 Apr 23, 2009
Big John-Hawaii Kai wrote:
To make up a shortfall of billions of dollars, you would need to cut millions of dollars from the budget. Hum, how do we do that? Our legislators say they've cut the budget to the bone, hence the additional taxes.
Well let's see!
1. The 36% pay raise for the legislators added an additional $1.17 MILLION dollars to the budget.
2. Cut some of the $6 MILLION dollars from the budget of the State Foundation on Culture and the Arts (SFCA). This is the State agency that budgets $92,935 a year for a Artmobile, which hasn't been on the road since 2002. This is the State agency that has spent over $680,000 dollars on art, which is display in such places as Maui Community Colege, Kauai Judiciary Building, Maui Memorial Medical Center, UH's School of Architecture, the Contemporary Museum, and last but not least, the Hawaii Convention Center where an artist was paid $130,000 dollars for his artwork of ceramic tiles that adorn THREE water coolers.
3. Throw a tarp over the glass mosaic on the floor of the capital building until the economy improves. The State is spending more that $1.5 MILLION dollars to restore this mosiac.
4. Reduce the DOE's budget by $4,382,650 which is spent as follows:
$2,400,000 MILLON dollars for substitute custodians. Let the students clean the schools.
$1,719,914 MILLION dollars for substitute clericals.
$264,736 dollars for substitute security attendants.
5. Eliminate Deputy or Assistant Directors within departments.
6. Eliminate travel for State Executives. Use video conferencing instead of wasteful per diem and travel expenses.
At least that's a start.
Good post. Actual ideas versus sarcasm and complaining!
Kick them out

Honolulu, HI

#11 Apr 23, 2009
now we cn get rid of some of these tax and spend legislators
StateTaxPayer

AOL

#12 Apr 23, 2009
Hawaii politicians are the most ignorant next to California. They know how to destroy businesses and the economy. Hawaii is in a death spiral. Kiss your tourist business good bye.
StateTaxPayer

AOL

#13 Apr 23, 2009
Ever heard of the term, "The straw that broke the camel's back"? This year, an extra $1.50/night for a room; next an $2/night; the year after that, another $2. It all ends when the last tourist leaves the islands. Then what? You competition are not gouging tourists. GET REAL FOLKS!

Since: Nov 08

Eagle River, AK

#14 Apr 23, 2009
Kahuna wrote:
So raising a hotel room from $150 to $151.50 per night(1 percentage point tax increase), increasing taxes on tobacco or large dollar real estate deals is worse than laying off state workers or cutting back medical benefits (Lingle's proposed solution)?
Instead of all the complaining about the past (much of it justified), come up with a viable alternative instead of just railing against a political party
The viable alternative that has been repeatedly suggested is to cut state spending, and demand accountability for all funds. As thr rest of the country adjusts to the reality of the economic situation we are in, why would Hawaii's state (union) workers be given a pass?

Your attempt to minimalize the impact of oppressive taxation in Hawaii by myopically focusing on a single line item rings hollow.
local

Kailua, HI

#15 Apr 23, 2009
I feel the tax increases on tobacco and the sale of luxury homes are fair. What the legislature should have done was to eliminate the tax on food and medical services.

Since: Nov 08

Eagle River, AK

#16 Apr 23, 2009
Democrats. The party of arrogance that long ago forgot the definition of representative.
Westside Wind

Honolulu, HI

#17 Apr 23, 2009
HayninAk wrote:
Democrats. The party of arrogance that long ago forgot the definition of representative.
Move 10 steps to the left, step forward 2 steps, okay stop!!!
You are now an independent. Now go back to where you came from the land of irrelevance and resume what you are, irrelevant. lol.
Aiea

Wahiawa, HI

#19 Apr 23, 2009
So she wants to avoid taxing the higher income people and the hotel corporations by cutting pay and cutting work days from State workers. Why not. Cutter's swimming pool is way more important than school clothes from Bruddah Joe's kids.
thebelltolls

Mililani, HI

#20 Apr 23, 2009
So why does Lingle (REPUBLICAN) not want to cut the State tax force? Cut gov't as is the GOP mantra. She's not up for reelection and this is the time when the Public (excluding state workers of course) would most find this to be acceptable.
willie

Plymouth, MI

#21 Apr 23, 2009
Aiea wrote:
So she wants to avoid taxing the higher income people and the hotel corporations by cutting pay and cutting work days from State workers. Why not. Cutter's swimming pool is way more important than school clothes from Bruddah Joe's kids.
Which of those entities you named actually contributes and which is a drain to the taxes collected?

At some point taxing higher income people and the hotel corporations forces them to move elsewhere where they can either make money or preserve what money they have. The economy is way down, everyone has to suffer a bit even the sacred cow state union workers. If the taxpayers leave you are left with tax takers, how long can you sustain that?

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