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United Methodist Church to cut ties with seminary

There are 44 comments on the Lebanon Daily News story from Sep 9, 2010, titled United Methodist Church to cut ties with seminary. In it, Lebanon Daily News reports that:

A recent decision by a United Methodist Church committee could have serious repercussions for the Evangelical Theological Seminary.

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Morbius

Myerstown, PA

#1 Sep 9, 2010
The odds are that the UMC cut ties because of their uber-liberal socialist agenda, which runs counter to the basic doctrinal principles taught at the seminary.

It's the UMC's loss.
alignment

Brogue, PA

#2 Sep 9, 2010
Time to align with a superior church.

NO, not "Point Man Ministries".
Listen to the Word

Kingman, AZ

#3 Sep 9, 2010
Look at the adjectives which say so much about theology. There is the "United" Methodist Church and the "Evangelical" Theological Seminary. A general principle applies here. When the word "United" or "Union" appear in a name, it is modernist liberal. When the word "Evangelical" is used, it is neo-conservative. While both have the same general theological emphasis, they are worlds apart within that emphasis and have very little in common. The United Methodist minister in my area is not even Trinitarian, he is Unitarian. I doubt if that is taught at or compatible with the ETS.
I beg to differ

Annville, PA

#4 Sep 10, 2010
I would NOT characterize the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America as a neo-conservative denomination. Those kind of labels are only so useful...
Morbius

Myerstown, PA

#5 Sep 10, 2010
I beg to differ wrote:
I would NOT characterize the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America as a neo-conservative denomination. Those kind of labels are only so useful...
Actually, the Evangelical Lutherans are the exception to the rule outlined above.

Generally, if a church has a "United" in front of it, you are almost assured that the top church leadership has more in common with Karl Marx than George Washington.
greggo

Evansville, IN

#6 Sep 10, 2010
I happened upon this article from Yahoo news. I'm not familiar with this seminary, but I am familiar with the UMC. Just guessing but is this about ordaining gay clergy?
GetaLifeBloggers

Lancaster, PA

#7 Sep 10, 2010
Morbius wrote:
The odds are that the UMC cut ties because of their uber-liberal socialist agenda, which runs counter to the basic doctrinal principles taught at the seminary.
It's the UMC's loss.
Can you share examples of the UMC’s “uber-liberal socialist agenda”?
Joel Menges

United States

#8 Sep 10, 2010
This article does not state why the U.M. church has dumped Evangelical but I can tell you why. I was a student at Evangelical many years ago and I was confirmed in the U.M. church at the age of 12 never hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ. The U.M. church is apostate. That is why they dumped evangelical. I assure you they will approved U.M. students to attend the Godless Lancaster Seminary because it's more in step with their ecumenical, new age path of destruction.
greggo

Evansville, IN

#9 Sep 10, 2010
I certainly can't speak for the church Joel attended but the UMW church I attend reads from scriture every Sunday. And the Pastor preaches from scripture every Sunday.
Brian

United States

#10 Sep 11, 2010
Listen to the Word wrote:
Look at the adjectives which say so much about theology. There is the "United" Methodist Church and the "Evangelical" Theological Seminary. A general principle applies here. When the word "United" or "Union" appear in a name, it is modernist liberal. When the word "Evangelical" is used, it is neo-conservative. While both have the same general theological emphasis, they are worlds apart within that emphasis and have very little in common. The United Methodist minister in my area is not even Trinitarian, he is Unitarian. I doubt if that is taught at or compatible with the ETS.
A United Methodist minster who is not trinitarian is not in line with United Methodist doctrine, which has deep roots that trace back to BOTH Calvin and Luther. A unitarian theology is not compatible with United Methodist doctrine at all.
By the way, the "United" in the United Methodist name came from the 1969 merger of the "Methodist Church" and the "Evangelical United Brethren Church."
Barabas

Lebanon, PA

#11 Sep 11, 2010
GetaLifeBloggers wrote:
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Can you share examples of the UMC’s “uber-liberal socialist agenda”?
gays, gays, gays
Morbius

Myerstown, PA

#12 Sep 11, 2010
GetaLifeBloggers wrote:
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Can you share examples of the UMC’s “uber-liberal socialist agenda”?
The very fact that the UMC has rejected the authority of the Bible - whether you agree or not - is the most obvious evidence of their leftward tilt.

Reality is that those who are familiar with American religious trends aware of the uber-left agenda of the UMC leadership. Deal with it.
Pastor Chris Rodkey

Rheems, PA

#13 Sep 12, 2010
Whoever is characterizing the UMC is liberal needs to read about the conservative turn the UMC has taken in the last ten years. It's true that there are liberals in the UMC but many of them, such as myself, have left and the conservatives in the church have had their way. It's true that the UMC is not the most conservative church in the USA but the denomination very much inhabits the right-of-center character of many Americans, which is one reason why they're such a large denomination.

I was a UMC student at the University of Chicago when the UMC de-accredited that school, along with some of the other best and most academically rigorous seminaries in the country--Harvard, Union-NYC, Pacific, and several others. The reason given had to do with number of UMC faculty at the schools, the real reason was politics. Conservatives took over the committee that year anr retaliated for conservative schools (most notably Gordon Conwell) losing their accreditation in the previous cycle.

So it could be that the UMC did this for political reasons, that a liberal Bishop or someone else decided to de-accredit the school without any real justification, just to stick it to the conservatives.

The UMC also de-accredits schools based on academics or based on trends of graduates that become ordained in the ministry.

Remembering how the U of Chicago was treated, they were not given notice from the UMC, and I had to really push to get answers about what really happened, and they eventually got their accreditation back. It may be that the UMC does this occasionally to certain schools to reassert their authority over the schools, knowing that it many cases small seminaries that are unaffiliated with a larger university are dependent upon the tuition funds coming from UMC students.

www.ziongosherts.org
Methodist for life

Lebanon, PA

#14 Sep 12, 2010
Pastor Chris Rodkey wrote:
Whoever is characterizing the UMC is liberal needs to read about the conservative turn the UMC has taken in the last ten years. It's true that there are liberals in the UMC but many of them, such as myself, have left and the conservatives in the church have had their way. It's true that the UMC is not the most conservative church in the USA but the denomination very much inhabits the right-of-center character of many Americans, which is one reason why they're such a large denomination.
I was a UMC student at the University of Chicago when the UMC de-accredited that school, along with some of the other best and most academically rigorous seminaries in the country--Harvard, Union-NYC, Pacific, and several others. The reason given had to do with number of UMC faculty at the schools, the real reason was politics. Conservatives took over the committee that year anr retaliated for conservative schools (most notably Gordon Conwell) losing their accreditation in the previous cycle.
So it could be that the UMC did this for political reasons, that a liberal Bishop or someone else decided to de-accredit the school without any real justification, just to stick it to the conservatives.
The UMC also de-accredits schools based on academics or based on trends of graduates that become ordained in the ministry.
Remembering how the U of Chicago was treated, they were not given notice from the UMC, and I had to really push to get answers about what really happened, and they eventually got their accreditation back. It may be that the UMC does this occasionally to certain schools to reassert their authority over the schools, knowing that it many cases small seminaries that are unaffiliated with a larger university are dependent upon the tuition funds coming from UMC students.
www.ziongosherts.org
Fifty two years........year after year after year........listening, participating, administering, managing, voting. Pastor Rodkey, the NUMBER ONE issue of my entire lifetime in the church is homosexuality. The majority of the entire worldwide denomination does not condone it. Year after year, vote after vote. But the leadership adopts a "we are superior" attitude and does what it wants. This leads to all the stupid mischief and maneuvering and tit-for-tat which you write about. If they would just follow the scripture and condemn THE SIN, but promote loving the sinner, we would not have to deal with the controversy. Truly, SATAN has made his way into our national administration and we are paying the price. Homosexuality is SIN. But we must love the homosexual as we love ourselves and pray for his forgiveness as we pray for our own. Jesus loves us all.
Just wondering

Lebanon, PA

#15 Sep 12, 2010
What did Jesus have to say about homosexuality? If it's so important ...
Morbius

Myerstown, PA

#16 Sep 12, 2010
Just wondering wrote:
What did Jesus have to say about homosexuality? If it's so important ...
Not a word.

But, then again, He didn't need to since His audience were orthodox Jews who adhered to the Old Testament teaching which prohibited homosexual behavior. Remember, He said not one word of the law would fade away, giving it complete authority.
Morbius

Myerstown, PA

#17 Sep 12, 2010
Pastor Chris Rodkey wrote:
Whoever is characterizing the UMC is liberal needs to read about the conservative turn the UMC has taken in the last ten years. It's true that there are liberals in the UMC but many of them, such as myself, have left and the conservatives in the church have had their way. It's true that the UMC is not the most conservative church in the USA but the denomination very much inhabits the right-of-center character of many Americans, which is one reason why they're such a large denomination.
I was a UMC student at the University of Chicago when the UMC de-accredited that school, along with some of the other best and most academically rigorous seminaries in the country--Harvard, Union-NYC, Pacific, and several others. The reason given had to do with number of UMC faculty at the schools, the real reason was politics. Conservatives took over the committee that year anr retaliated for conservative schools (most notably Gordon Conwell) losing their accreditation in the previous cycle.
So it could be that the UMC did this for political reasons, that a liberal Bishop or someone else decided to de-accredit the school without any real justification, just to stick it to the conservatives.
The UMC also de-accredits schools based on academics or based on trends of graduates that become ordained in the ministry.
Remembering how the U of Chicago was treated, they were not given notice from the UMC, and I had to really push to get answers about what really happened, and they eventually got their accreditation back. It may be that the UMC does this occasionally to certain schools to reassert their authority over the schools, knowing that it many cases small seminaries that are unaffiliated with a larger university are dependent upon the tuition funds coming from UMC students.
www.ziongosherts.org
The UMC is in the midst of a massive split; only the 'rebel' churches are pushing to get back to their traditional values. And they are being rewarded by the UMC leadership with lawsuits by the UMC to seize the church buildings.

The UMC going conservative? In a pig's eye...
Sonja Fisher LeVan

United States

#18 Sep 13, 2010
I am tired of a "few" big whigs in the UMC telling the rest of us Methodists what we can and can't do. You wonder why we are losing members. YOU!!! YOU, are the reason. We want to get back to the true Methodists beliefs that began hundreds of years ago, not what you "so called leaders" want. Listen to the body, WE HAVE VOTED!!! Get the message or you will lose more!!!!! STOP WITH THE WORLDLY VIEW!!!!! We want the "CHRIST" view!!!!
Sonja Fisher LeVan

United States

#19 Sep 13, 2010
Morbius wrote:
<quoted text>
The UMC is in the midst of a massive split; only the 'rebel' churches are pushing to get back to their traditional values. And they are being rewarded by the UMC leadership with lawsuits by the UMC to seize the church buildings.
The UMC going conservative? In a pig's eye...
PRAISE GOD, IF THIS IS TRUE, MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED! MAY GOD BLESS THE UMC FOR RETURNING TO WHAT CHRIST TAUGHT!!!!!
Sonja Fisher LeVan

United States

#20 Sep 13, 2010
greggo wrote:
I certainly can't speak for the church Joel attended but the UMW church I attend reads from scriture every Sunday. And the Pastor preaches from scripture every Sunday.
AMEN!!!Ours too! And our Pastor loves the Lord, and opens the alter every sunday and puts the
Gospel message in every sermon!!!!! Praise God

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