Elco's tentative budget includes 3-mill increase

Full story: Lebanon Daily News

While still hoping for additional funding from the state, Elco school board voted 8-1 to approve a tentative $31.8 million 2011-12 budget Monday that includes a 3-mill tax increase.

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May 10, 2011
 
You have got to be kidding!!!!!!!! With the way the economy is it is ok to raise the school tax one more time. It might be appropriate if you really knocked your budgets down. Let us start with health insurance, find a different and cheaper policy, make everyone pay in more 400.00 a pay sounds great. Stop reimbursing for prescriptions. When a teacher or employee retires stop paying the health insurance and other perks to help get the costs under control. Paycuts are a definite for everyone employed in the district or job terminations. Why should you be exempt? Oh that is right something is protecting you. Get rid of them to. It is not such a big deal if the school kids are taught by teachers or aids. With the way technology is today they can teach themselves or look at the cell phones and text everyone or be taught by a robot. The Taxpayer/s should have a big choice to change the way things are run.
Feel the crunch as the majority of families have had to do in the past couple of years. A law should be passed for all school districts if you do not have children in school you do not pay school taxes.
The school district does not benefit me anyway.
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May 10, 2011
 
What wrote:
You have got to be kidding!!!!!!!! With the way the economy is it is ok to raise the school tax one more time. It might be appropriate if you really knocked your budgets down. Let us start with health insurance, find a different and cheaper policy, make everyone pay in more 400.00 a pay sounds great. Stop reimbursing for prescriptions. When a teacher or employee retires stop paying the health insurance and other perks to help get the costs under control. Paycuts are a definite for everyone employed in the district or job terminations. Why should you be exempt? Oh that is right something is protecting you. Get rid of them to. It is not such a big deal if the school kids are taught by teachers or aids. With the way technology is today they can teach themselves or look at the cell phones and text everyone or be taught by a robot. The Taxpayer/s should have a big choice to change the way things are run.
Feel the crunch as the majority of families have had to do in the past couple of years. A law should be passed for all school districts if you do not have children in school you do not pay school taxes.
The school district does not benefit me anyway.
I agree. The teachers negotiated a tight contract but the district couldn't cut a few more bucks in expenses and save the taxpayers an increase?

Neilsen needs to go...
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May 10, 2011
 
What wrote:"You have got to be kidding!!!!!!!! With the way the economy is it is ok to raise the school tax one more time. It might be appropriate if you really knocked your budgets down. Let us start with health insurance, find a different and cheaper policy, make everyone pay in more 400.00 a pay sounds great. Stop reimbursing for prescriptions. When a teacher or employee retires stop paying the health insurance and other perks to help get the costs under control. Paycuts are a definite for everyone employed in the district or job terminations. Why should you be exempt? Oh that is right something is protecting you. Get rid of them to. It is not such a big deal if the school kids are taught by teachers or aids. With the way technology is today they can teach themselves or look at the cell phones and text everyone or be taught by a robot. The Taxpayer/s should have a big choice to change the way things are run.
Feel the crunch as the majority of families have had to do in the past couple of years. A law should be passed for all school districts if you do not have children in school you do not pay school taxes.
The school district does not benefit me anyway."
What an utterly ridiculous rant! Right- And someone like you is qualified to teach kids???? What are you talking about that it doesn't matter whether the children are taught by teachers or aids? It is a huge difference. Many teachers not only have a four year degree, but have also gone to college for another 5 years to earn a Master's degree in their field. In addition, they are constantly REQUIRED to get more education in their field. An aid does not need any of that. An aid does not need any education whatsoever; he or she just needs child clearances. What an absolutely ignorant statement! It is people such as yourself who make it very very evident why teachers are needed. There is so much ignorance teachers need to continue to fight. This is not an ELCO issue. Elco has not created this problem. If ELCO is responsible for the financial crisis than it would be the only district battling, which obviously isn't the case. Why would people want the teachers, who are working with their children more than any other adult, to lose more when they have already accepted no raise for next year? Do people realize that many teachers pay for items for their students from their own pockets? I think it is time to stop blaming the teachers for the economic crisis. I think it is time to start realizing that the only way to give our kids a better future is through a good, solid decent education. Otherwise, next step you're sick, go to a nurse.
greed greed greed

Lebanon, PA

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May 10, 2011
 
Don't forget Nilsen is still taking his raise but then giving it back.... doesn't save the district anything but helps his retirement. We can't afford THREE mills. When is it going to stop?
reality bites

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May 10, 2011
 
What wrote:
You have got to be kidding!!!!!!!! With the way the economy is it is ok to raise the school tax one more time. It might be appropriate if you really knocked your budgets down. Let us start with health insurance, find a different and cheaper policy, make everyone pay in more 400.00 a pay sounds great. Stop reimbursing for prescriptions. When a teacher or employee retires stop paying the health insurance and other perks to help get the costs under control. Paycuts are a definite for everyone employed in the district or job terminations. Why should you be exempt? Oh that is right something is protecting you. Get rid of them to. It is not such a big deal if the school kids are taught by teachers or aids. With the way technology is today they can teach themselves or look at the cell phones and text everyone or be taught by a robot. The Taxpayer/s should have a big choice to change the way things are run.
Feel the crunch as the majority of families have had to do in the past couple of years. A law should be passed for all school districts if you do not have children in school you do not pay school taxes.
The school district does not benefit me anyway.
1. You can't just ignore contracts. That's how you get sued, and getting sued is always more costly than meeting your obligations in the first place.
2. "It is not such a big deal if the school kids are taught by teachers or aids (sic)... or themselves ... or a robot." My God. What an effing moron. Thank God you do not live in my school district. If you are typical of Elco residents, it must be the worst hole of ignorance in all Pennsylvania. But you don't care about that, do you?
3. "The taxpayers should have a choice ..." They already do. It's in the voting booth. You learn about this in junior high, if you have decent teachers and pay a modicum of attention, which "who" clearly did not.
4. "The school district does not benefit me anyway." Just go shoot yourself, please. Before you perpetuate your ignorance in the gene pool.
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Lebanon, PA

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#6
May 10, 2011
 
Ah, Mr.Gardener, I think you missed Dr. Hetrick and Dr. Brewer. Were they not Directors of Curriculum at ELCO.
Gardeners ignorance

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May 10, 2011
 
Guess the board president, Raymond Edward Gardener, did not know anything about ELCO before they tried to build an intermediate school. That is Ok, he does not seem like the type that can learn anyway.
Many of the things he says at board meetings are not true because he does not understand educational issues.I am sure ELCO has had curriculum directors and they also had a reserve balance that other school board members did not realize.
Nilsen has lead this district on a downward spiral...instead of expect excellence...the new motto is watch your back....what a great working environment for staff which obviously directly affect students and the entire community.....if you think education is expensive, try ignorance!
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May 10, 2011
 
Wtf
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May 10, 2011
 
Ed I voted for you... But are you really as Stupid as you appear. Folks, where is the leadership in farmville. This district is down the tubes. When is Dick' contract expiring. Last time I counted there was Brewer, Hetrick, Albert and now Grove writing curriculum. These individuals were smart to leave... Ed you are right....but wrong school. The school you went to had a curriculum.... It was stupidity....and you made the honor roll. Put ann Gruber on the board... She finally made some sense.
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May 10, 2011
 
Folks, Mr. Gardener is a lot "weiser" than some of the former members used to "bea".
Elamo

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May 10, 2011
 
Falcon wrote:
Wtf
Exactly what I think!!!
Dare I ask

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May 10, 2011
 
Gardeners ignorance wrote:
Guess the board president, Raymond Edward Gardener, did not know anything about ELCO before they tried to build an intermediate school. That is Ok, he does not seem like the type that can learn anyway.
Many of the things he says at board meetings are not true because he does not understand educational issues.I am sure ELCO has had curriculum directors and they also had a reserve balance that other school board members did not realize.
Nilsen has lead this district on a downward spiral...instead of expect excellence...the new motto is watch your back....what a great working environment for staff which obviously directly affect students and the entire
community.....if you think education is expensive, try ignorance!
Who hired Nilsen?
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May 11, 2011
 
Ron Hetrick was appointed Director of Curriculum when Dr. Zechman became superintendent. He was officially the first D of C. If you check the wall plaques containing the new building information in Jackson and Ft. Zeller you will see Dr. Hetrick’s name as D of C. In 2000 when Dr. Albert came to ELCO, the title was changed to Assistant Superintendant with the same duties as the D of C. This remained the same when Dr. Grove took over the position. Thus to say ELCO has only had a D of C for the past two years is disingenuous and totally incorrect. All of this was prior to 2009.
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May 11, 2011
 
Retired teacher wrote:
Ron Hetrick was appointed Director of Curriculum when Dr. Zechman became superintendent. He was officially the first D of C. If you check the wall plaques containing the new building information in Jackson and Ft. Zeller you will see Dr. Hetrick’s name as D of C. In 2000 when Dr. Albert came to ELCO, the title was changed to Assistant Superintendant with the same duties as the D of C. This remained
the same when Dr. Grove took over the position. Thus to say ELCO has only had a D of C for the past two years is disingenuous and totally incorrect. All of this was prior to 2009.
Then will someone please explain why Dr. Nilsen toots his horn and claims that Elco did not have a curriculum in place until he came to this district? This was his claim since he came here. He said this was the primary reason he hired.
Why hasn't anyone corrected him if there was no truth to his claim?
There are teachers who have stated the same thing.
Dr. Albert was working diligently on a core curriculum before he resigned. Dr. Nilsen pointed this out many, many times.
Prior to Nilsen's arrival the D of C did nothing more than sniff out programs or services that did nothing more than generate income.
That's a fact.
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#15
May 11, 2011
 
and before there was a dir of curr. the principal did it along with others.. ask past principle Tucker

LOL i love the posts bashing the board pres. still sour grapes.. Keep up the good work ray
just wondering also

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May 11, 2011
 
Circus time wrote:
Ed I voted for you... But are you really as Stupid as you appear. Folks, where is the leadership in farmville. This district is down the tubes. When is Dick' contract expiring. Last time I counted there was Brewer, Hetrick, Albert and now Grove writing curriculum. These individuals were smart to leave... Ed you are right....but wrong school. The school you went to had a curriculum.... It was stupidity....and you made the honor roll. Put ann Gruber on the board... She finally made some sense.
Might be that he wanted on the school board just in case his child got in trouble in school. Any other student would have been severely reprimanded, but not his son.
rethink increase

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May 11, 2011
 

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When the budget was presented in Jan. it was stated there was approx. a $1.7 million shortage in the budget. Monday night without any formal presentation (I guess it isn't important to inform the public)it was passed to increase taxes by three mills. However they informed us that they have cut costs which I think include: health insurance -$560,000, CTC costs -$42,000, IU -$20,000, Special ed. class $25,000, not replacing asst supt.-$160,000, freeze salaries -$175,000, not replacing 5 staff retirements -$500,000 (guess),Doug Bohannon full time class -$50,000 (guess), retirement cost savings -$50,000, refinancing bonds +$42,000 (assumed) and not included in the original budget Myerstown an S-town school rental income of $294,000. Now if my math is correct and my admitted guess to some of these figures total savings and increased income arrives at $1,968,000. So why do we need a 3 mill increase which amounts to $574,500?? Add the two and it amounts to $2,542,500. Why does this board continue to tax us when it is not necessary? The only thing I was told was the president mentioned putting a mill ($191,500) for fund balance. Why must we put that amount when people are REALLY hurting! Board members PLEASE re-think your decision!
This is for the kids

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#18
May 11, 2011
 
ok so the average increase they said would be about $60 a year to the taxpayer. that equals .16 a day = 1.15 a week. Please take that into consideration its not like they are raising your taxes by thousands of dollars and for nothing. This is going to the school and to help the children of the future. I think that if you are so concerned w/ $60 a year put away .16 a day for the next year and then you you get your tax bill in april you will have your $60 saved already and won't even feel the pinch.
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May 11, 2011
 
just wondering also wrote:
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Might be that he wanted on the school board just in case his child got in trouble in school. Any other student would have been severely reprimanded, but not his son.
There are 2 reason he wanted to be on the school board.

1. His son would have a better chance at getting into the Naval Academy

2. To secure 1 or 2 teaching/employment opportunities for members
of his family.
unemployed

Lebanon, PA

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May 11, 2011
 
This is for the kids wrote:
ok so the average increase they said would be about $60 a year to the taxpayer. that equals .16 a day = 1.15 a week. Please take that into consideration its not like they are raising your taxes by thousands of dollars and for nothing. This is going to the school and to help the children of the future. I think that if you are so concerned w/$60 a year put away .16 a day for the next year and then you you get your tax bill in april you will have your $60 saved already and won't even feel the pinch.
Wow! Are you from the real world?

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