Jackson board vote down suggestion to build rec center

There are 81 comments on the Lebanon Daily News story from Mar 22, 2011, titled Jackson board vote down suggestion to build rec center. In it, Lebanon Daily News reports that:

The Jackson Township supervisors Monday night voted not to pursue a resident's request to survey residents on her idea for the township to build a recreation center.

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Eric M

Harrisburg, PA

#1 Mar 22, 2011
Thanks for making the effort Ann. There is certainly a need for a fitness facility that promotes good health for the community. I think it would be incredible for Jackson Township to think outside the box for once and take a stand against the growing epidemic of obesity...especially with our children. A rec center would likely generate a substantial portion of revenue needed to run it.
pay to play

York Haven, PA

#2 Mar 22, 2011
Eric M wrote:
A rec center would likely generate a substantial portion of revenue needed to run it.
with a population of 8300? many like they said are plain people?

Not bloody likely

comparing jackson to hempfield is apple to oranges.. way bigger population and surrounding area

Pay to play....
Phishhead

Collingswood, NJ

#3 Mar 22, 2011
I think Ms. Gruber is jumping the gun a bit in her zeal to see a rec center built. There is nothing wrong with her concept and vision but she is premature in approaching the Board without any idea of costs or funding sources. A project such as this would have to rely on significant private contributions from individuals and businesses. The project would also require a sound business plan in order to sustain the ongoing operation and maintenance of such a facility. I don't think Ms. Gruber was prepared to answer any of those questions. I’m sure the Supervisors would feel differently about the project if Ms. Gruber had done more homework on how to fund the facility instead of probing them about the Township’s finances.

In my opinion, the Supervisors should do everything in their power to protect the $5 million nest egg they've built over the years. There is no telling how long the Township can continue to rely on State Police coverage. Also, as Supervisor Deck mentioned, the Township can expect to pay more and more money for road maintenance as state liquid fuel tax allocations dwindle and the price of asphalt continues to rise (asphalt prices tend to follow oil prices). The Jackson Township Supervisors should be applauded for protecting the Township’s taxpayers’ interests at a time when so many other municipalities are facing serious budgetary issues (e.g. City of Lebanon, Cornwall, North Cornwall, etc.)
Ann Gruber

Lebanon, PA

#4 Mar 22, 2011
Phishhead wrote:
I think Ms. Gruber is jumping the gun a bit in her zeal to see a rec center built. There is nothing wrong with her concept and vision but she is premature in approaching the Board without any idea of costs or funding sources. A project such as this would have to rely on significant private contributions from individuals and businesses. The project would also require a sound business plan in order to sustain the ongoing operation and maintenance of such a facility. I don't think Ms. Gruber was prepared to answer any of those questions. I’m sure the Supervisors would feel differently about the project if Ms. Gruber had done more homework on how to fund the facility instead of probing them about the Township’s finances.
In my opinion, the Supervisors should do everything in their power to protect the $5 million nest egg they've built over the years. There is no telling how long the Township can continue to rely on State Police coverage. Also, as Supervisor Deck mentioned, the Township can expect to pay more and more money for road maintenance as state liquid fuel tax allocations dwindle and the price of asphalt continues to rise (asphalt prices tend to follow oil prices). The Jackson Township Supervisors should be applauded for protecting the Township’s taxpayers’ interests at a time when so many other municipalities are facing serious budgetary issues (e.g. City of Lebanon, Cornwall, North Cornwall, etc.)
I think it should be very clear that I am looking at possibilities of building a rec center....starting by talking to the Jackson Township Rec Authority and then the Jackson Township Supervisors to collaborate with them on this idea. My idea of the survey was to find out IF residents of ALL ages are interested, and what they are interested in, so a plan could be designed with residents needs in mind. Perhaps no one is interested but how do we know that? At that point a plan,design,costs,programs, anticipated revenue, a "business plan" could be formed for everyone to review....at that point we would have to talk about funding the project and that is the answer I would have given the supervisors if they would have asked...but they didn't.
My request at last night's meeting was to conduct a survey and also to apply for funding from the county commissioners which could have generated signficant dollars to begin this work. They voted 3-0 against both ideas. My interpretation is that they are not interested in the voice of the residents they represent or any more money that can be obtained for recreational projects.
My questions about the township finances were certainly legitimate looking at the needs of our residents in this area. These are the known facts; in Jackson Township we have 25 acres of land purchased across from soccer/baseball fields on South Fairlane Ave. and over 5 million dollars in investments (however the supervisors did not know where the investments were held?) The residents of this community have certainly paid this money to the township over the years as a combination of many sources. Each new home generated revenue for recreation, was it used that way?
Perhaps there is someone in the community that would like to donate a generous amount to this project for the benefit of our community. Maybe lots of people would be interested in a capital campaign over the next few years to build this facility in our community. My thoughts are that a rec center would enhance and enrich the lives of all of our community residents in ways that are not only measured by costs, they are measured in a quality of life.
As you see I have included my name in this blog....I encourage others to do the same so we can have a conversation based on facts and not speculation.
Love Sports but

York Haven, PA

#5 Mar 22, 2011
how many residents were there in support of your idea? 100, 200? I mean they had a few weeks to come and at least support the idea.

Its not the govts priority to provide recreation facilities for the population. Those are not essential services and are things one can do for themselves with out burdening the municipality.

Time and time again twps that have tried lost money.. ask So leb twp about the golf course. Same as in Neffsville at the overlook golf course.

put me down as a resounding "NO"
Resounding yes

Lebanon, PA

#6 Mar 22, 2011
Love Sports but wrote:
how many residents were there in support of your idea? 100, 200? I mean they had a few weeks to come and at least support the idea.
Its not the govts priority to provide recreation facilities for the population. Those are not essential services and are things one can do for themselves with out burdening the municipality.
Time and time again twps that have tried lost money.. ask So leb twp about the golf course. Same as in Neffsville at the overlook golf course.
put me down as a resounding "NO"
And put me down as a resounding YES!I had no idea this was happening and would love to join others in this project for our community.
Thomas Paine

Lancaster, PA

#7 Mar 22, 2011
Eric M wrote:
Thanks for making the effort Ann. There is certainly a need for a fitness facility that promotes good health for the community. I think it would be incredible for Jackson Township to think outside the box for once and take a stand against the growing epidemic of obesity...especially with our children. A rec center would likely generate a substantial portion of revenue needed to run it.
Growing epidemic of obesity? who's fault is that? Why should the taxpayers fund a fat farm?Oh, i forgot I already do. As a taxpayer in the C-L school district i had to buy 80 mountain bikes for fat kids.
You go ANN

Hamburg, PA

#8 Mar 22, 2011
some one needs to challenge the backward jackson twp supervisors! Tell them to get with the times! They need to start providing for us! I'm sick of waiting two hours for a cop when I need one! Do sometime useful with that surplus of money- get me a police department please!
Lititz Rec

Lititz, PA

#9 Mar 22, 2011
Please feel free to come to Lititz to see a beautiful facility built with no tax money and serving our surrounding community. We are a proud community with outstanding facilities for our residents.
Out of Touch

Lebanon, PA

#10 Mar 22, 2011
Thomas Paine wrote:
<quoted text> Growing epidemic of obesity? who's fault is that? Why should the taxpayers fund a fat farm?Oh, i forgot I already do. As a taxpayer in the C-L school district i had to buy 80 mountain bikes for fat kids.
Martin - You know damn well those bikes were purchased through a grant.
Thomas Paine

Lancaster, PA

#11 Mar 22, 2011
Out of Touch wrote:
<quoted text>
Martin - You know damn well those bikes were purchased through a grant.
Oh, I forgot, grant money grows on trees it does not come from OUR tax money.
Go Ann

Lebanon, PA

#12 Mar 22, 2011
Love Sports but wrote:
how many residents were there in support of your idea? 100, 200? I mean they had a few weeks to come and at least support the idea.
Its not the govts priority to provide recreation facilities for the population. Those are not essential services and are things one can do for themselves with out burdening the municipality.
Time and time again twps that have tried lost money.. ask So leb twp about the golf course. Same as in Neffsville at the overlook golf course.
put me down as a resounding "NO"
Golf courses have only golf. A rec center would have multiple activities.
Paine in the Arse

Lebanon, PA

#13 Mar 22, 2011
Thomas Paine wrote:
<quoted text> Oh, I forgot, grant money grows on trees it does not come from OUR tax money.
I'm sure some of the grant money was paid through our taxes, but if Cornwall-Lebanon didn't apply and receive the grant another school district would have. You have no Common Sense Thomas.
to much time on her hands

Lebanon, PA

#14 Mar 22, 2011
we dont need a rec center.!!!if you weigh 300 pounds take the time and rid your self of the weight on your own!!!!!!!!dont make me pay for it!!!!!!!!!!just sayin!!!
myerstow1

Red Lion, PA

#15 Mar 23, 2011
I think it is a shame that the supervisors did not poll all the residents to get a better feel for feedback. I live in Wheatland manor and I was not aksed so how many residents that probably pay higher taxes due to having newer homes were not asked?
McGruber

Philadelphia, PA

#16 Mar 23, 2011
Well, Ms. Ann is consistant.
She wants an indoor pool.
She has a poor sense of timing, she pi••es people off and believe me, she won't let this go.

Let the stalking begin.
McGruber

Philadelphia, PA

#17 Mar 23, 2011
Love Sports but wrote:
how many residents were there in support of your idea? 100, 200? I mean they had a few weeks to come and at least support the idea.
My thoughts exactly.
Eric

Harrisburg, PA

#18 Mar 23, 2011
Plain people??? Take a look around. Most of us are no different than anyone else in any other municipality. Your comments are insulting. When I do look around...I see children and an aging population that needs to become more active.
Thomas Paine

Harrisburg, PA

#19 Mar 23, 2011
Paine in the Arse wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sure some of the grant money was paid through our taxes, but if Cornwall-Lebanon didn't apply and receive the grant another school district would have. You have no Common Sense Thomas.
Thank you, you make my point for me. In other words grab it before someone can, i believe that is known as greed and the christian way. In other words grab, grab , grab and what concerns me is that is the mind set and the philosophy that is being taught to the impressionable young minds in those class rooms. GREED IS GOOD. Using grant money is one thing, but come on , 80 mountain bikes. Maybe they should have used the money to fix the leaking roof on the middle school.
uh_really

Palmyra, PA

#20 Mar 23, 2011
Ann - no one is stopping you from spending your money, or the money of your supporters, to create and distribute a survey.

No one is stopping you from gathering the funds privately and building the most amazing rec center ever.

Stop acting like the supervisors are blocking you or the rec center. They are merely blocking you from using public funds to do it.

You keep explaining what an "opportunity" this is, and how money can be made with it - but why won't you explain why you need the public money and there aren't half a dozen private investors lining up to fund it?

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