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Bar employees healthier in year since Michigan banned smoking in bars and restaurants, study finds

There are 68 comments on the MLive.com story from Apr 28, 2011, titled Bar employees healthier in year since Michigan banned smoking in bars and restaurants, study finds. In it, MLive.com reports that:

Published: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 6:19 AM Updated: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 8:02 AM Muskegon Chronicle File Photo Bar employees are breathing easier since Michigan banned smoking in restaurants and bars nearly a year ago, according to a study reported by the American Cancer Society's Great Lakes Division.

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JCS

Courtland, CA

#1 Apr 28, 2011
absolutely! Thank Goodness the Country is, and will be catching on to this..Healthier for all!!

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#2 Apr 28, 2011
Uh...this is news? Being in a non-smoking environment is healthier than a smoking environment? I wonder how many thousands of dollars they pissed away conducting this useless study? What the hell did you expect?

Since: Apr 08

Happy Valley, OR

#3 Apr 28, 2011
Clearway Minnesota, financed in part by the Minnesota Health Department, conducted the same test about a year or two after the ban in bars took affect and claimed how much cleaner the air was.

An editorial from "The St. Paul Pioneer Press" noticed was all the bars Clearway Minnesota tested, had 1/2 the customers or less, than the bars they tested before the ban.

Since the article's disappeared I'll post a small part of it:

""We also believe there is a clear line between exaggeration and purposeful deception; the Association of Nonsmokers and ClearWay Minnesota (formerly MPAAT) crossed that line. An Aug. 30 press release by the Association of Nonsmokers not only expressed a conclusion about the air quality in St. Paul bars and restaurants that was based on insufficient data, the Association and ClearWay, which commissioned the study, withheld data relevant to the issue but contrary to their pro-ban position. As reported on the Pioneer Press blog "City Hall Scoop," it took a Minnesota Data Practices Act request and a Minnesota Department of Administration advisory opinion for the Pioneer Press to get a look at the raw data from the study, which ClearWay was none too eager to share. Why? Perhaps because the disaggregated data showed a wide variation in air quality among the 10 bars and restaurants tested - an insufficient sampling of the 200-plus in the city. The study also found a drop in patronage in seven of the 10 establishments tested.(Opponents of the smoking ban have consistently argued that the smoking ban has hurt business.) Interestingly, in the seven bars where patronage dropped, the air quality improved significantly more than in three bars where the customer counts went up. None of this data, however, was made public."

“Non smoking freedom loving vet”

Since: Apr 08

Chicago

#4 Apr 28, 2011
The ALA, ACS,and ALA receved millions from the makers of Chantix through Johhnson and Johnsons RWJ Foundations "Smokeless States Program" to promote smoking bans. They are nothing but tax exempt political action committees.---http://www.rwjf. org/pr/product.jsp?ia=143& id=14912
Jim

United States

#5 Apr 28, 2011
The is an example of our government doing something right and having a positive impact as the result.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#6 Apr 28, 2011
Jim wrote:
The is an example of our government doing something right and having a positive impact as the result.
I suppose banning burgers and fries in all restaurants throughout the state because of their potential for health problems would be an example of government doing something right too, eh?
azmac

Bullhead City, AZ

#8 Apr 28, 2011
Every bar I have been into most of the employees smoke, so do I believe this story? NO! I have been into bars and restaurants all over the country and several foreign countries. Most employees smoked in all of them as did most stewardess on the planes I flew on. Now the owner can not smoke in his own office.
LOL

Bowling Green, OH

#9 Apr 29, 2011
azmac wrote:
Every bar I have been into most of the employees smoke, so do I believe this story? NO! I have been into bars and restaurants all over the country and several foreign countries. Most employees smoked in all of them as did most stewardess on the planes I flew on. Now the owner can not smoke in his own office.
Translation: "WAHHH!! WAHH!!!! I CAN'T SMOKE ANYMORE!! WAHH!! WAHH!!!
azmac

Bullhead City, AZ

#10 Apr 29, 2011
LOL wrote:
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Translation: "WAHHH!! WAHH!!!! I CAN'T SMOKE ANYMORE!! WAHH!! WAHH!!!
As I wrote on another thread that one thing I learned in all my years is that when people are losing an argument they revert to name calling and insults and try to change the subject. I know you will prove me right, well you already have.
FRISBEE

Seattle, WA

#11 May 3, 2011
Sneaky Pete wrote:
I suppose banning burgers and fries in all restaurants throughout the state because of their potential for health problems would be an example of government doing something right too, eh?
You eating a burger doesn't make ME sick.
Come up with some new nonsense, will ya? This shit is old.
FRISBEE

Seattle, WA

#12 May 3, 2011
azmac wrote:
As I wrote on another thread that one thing I learned in all my years is that when people are losing an argument they revert to name calling and insults and try to change the subject. I know you will prove me right, well you already have.
There is no argument because you've already lost. Smoking bans exist. More coming every month. This is just us laughing and you whining.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#13 May 3, 2011
FRISBEE wrote:
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You eating a burger doesn't make ME sick.
Come up with some new nonsense, will ya? This shit is old.
If smoke makes you sick, then stay away from areas where people smoke. Use some common sense, will ya?
FRISBEE

Seattle, WA

#14 May 3, 2011
Sneaky Pete wrote:
If smoke makes you sick, then stay away from areas where people smoke. Use some common sense, will ya?
I do.
And I can still go anywhere in public. Pretty cool.
TruthBeTold

Farmington, MI

#15 May 3, 2011
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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If smoke makes you sick, then stay away from areas where people smoke. Use some common sense, will ya?
Since there are SO MANY MORE non smokers than smokers...its easier and makes more sense to tell smokers to step outside. Use some common sense, will ya?
FRISBEE

Seattle, WA

#16 May 3, 2011
Sneaky Pete wrote:
Use some common sense, will ya?
Common sense like free citizens should be able to go where they please in public without being harmed by others?

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#17 May 3, 2011
FRISBEE wrote:
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Common sense like free citizens should be able to go where they please in public without being harmed by others?
Isn't loud music in bars being "harmed by others?" Is hearing loss not detrimental? Why should I be forced to listen to live bands that play ear-bleeding music when I don't care for loud music?

Answer: I realize that different bars cater to different individuals and therefore I don't frequent establishments where I'm not comfortable.
FRISBEE

Seattle, WA

#18 May 3, 2011
Sneaky Pete wrote:
Isn't loud music in bars being "harmed by others?"
Yes, That is why noise ordinances exist:
http://www.nonoise.org/lawlib/cities/mi/trave...

If you don't like music, that's your problem. If the music is actually causing you hearing damage, they are violating law.
TruthBeTold

Farmington, MI

#19 May 3, 2011
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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Isn't loud music in bars being "harmed by others?" Is hearing loss not detrimental? Why should I be forced to listen to live bands that play ear-bleeding music when I don't care for loud music?
Answer: I realize that different bars cater to different individuals and therefore I don't frequent establishments where I'm not comfortable.
The difference....people who work and patronize a bar with loud music can wear ear protection, but workers and patrons will find no such relief when the small handful of selfish addicts fire up and contaminate the entire place with their toxic obsession!

See the difference?

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#20 May 3, 2011
FRISBEE wrote:
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Yes, That is why noise ordinances exist:
http://www.nonoise.org/lawlib/cities/mi/trave...
If you don't like music, that's your problem. If the music is actually causing you hearing damage, they are violating law.
And I suppose that we'll go arrest the Blue Angels because their jets are harmful to our hearing too, eh?

My point is that if you don't like something, stay away from it. Why is it that some people are too stupid to do that and need a law to make others adapt to THEIR lifestyle?
FRISBEE

Seattle, WA

#21 May 3, 2011
A smoker calling anyone else stupid is pretty funny.

"If you don't like something, stay away from it." Here's the thing: I LIKE being able to go where I please in public without being harmed. It's called freedom, you might look it up.

Why some people are too stupid to not harm those around them is beyond me, but it is the basis for our entire legal system. Every criminal law on the books is to deal with people too stupid and selfish to not harm others.

All you've got is the delusion that you have some sort of 'right' to harm your fellow citizens. You don't. No matter how much you whine, you don't.
Before you start with your next line of nonsense....A business that is granted a license to conduct commerce with the PUBLIC is a public place, regardless of whom owns the building. That's not going to change either.

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