UPDATE: Man found in Muskegon snowban...

UPDATE: Man found in Muskegon snowbank identified

There are 114 comments on the WZZM Grand Rapids story from Jan 31, 2008, titled UPDATE: Man found in Muskegon snowbank identified. In it, WZZM Grand Rapids reports that:

Police have identified the man found dead in a snowbank Wednesday morning as Lonnie David Gordon of Muskegon.

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“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#22 Feb 2, 2008
Joel wrote:
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Yes. Something needs to be done. Give them jobs directing plow traffic.
trying to me a smart a$$ didnt work!
yes give them that job!
they will get paid for doing no work at all!
You know ..the plows are ALAWAYS out!
I think they would be out of any harm's way you wish to put them in.

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#23 Feb 2, 2008
Gentle Taz wrote:
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I do not appreciate the language you used on this forum. You know nothing about these people so don't be so quick to judge them or me.
As to my other posts, what might be wrong with them? I always try to be reasonable, without personal attacks.
TAZ???
not everyone is going to be like you.
I/We do not appreciate people saying cruel things about people that just lost their life.
THEY DO IT ANYWAY!
your not even posting about the story, only what other people are upset about or what you do not appreciate.
That is another thing that a lot of posters do not like.
People that come on (like me) and don't post about the story at hand.
it is a sad story.
I didn't check is record.
BUT if it is true that he had a criminal background and if it is true that it is uttering and publishing.
HOW do we know he didn't do that to feed his children???
times are hard and "white collar" crimes are way up.( a lot of people don't consider it as bad on this forum, only the thugs that commit a crime)
my point is we don't know what made him homeless or why he did what he did.
I don't mean to imply that it's O.K...but it is said all the time..walk a mile in the shoes of THAT one.
we never know what we would do in certain situations.
I try to think like that and if you are reasonable as reasonable as you say you are.
YOU wouldn't appreciate people acting the way they are about not wanting to help.
what if he was a vet that our country turned their back on???
Muskegon has SO MANY homeless vets!
NO~ I am not picking with you.
yooo hooooooooo

United States

#24 Feb 2, 2008
Is the area where this man was found desolate? I don't understand how someone in the city could be left to freeze to death. Is there no traffic in that area, no buildings, nobody walking? If this were out on a country road maybe I would understand. But for a human being to be left in a snowbank to die, just boggles my mind. I live in GR Area and even in the summer when I saw someone down on the ground, I called the police to get them help, and did what I could for them until the police arrived.(I am not a nurse or doctor). The very least someone could have done is report the person down in the snow. Who knows a free call to 911 may have saved his life.

You don't need to take him home with you... but what would it hurt to make a call.

I sure hope that I am never out and fall down, unable to get up. It seems in this day and age you could lay there till you die.

From the start most people assumed this man was homeless. Why is that?

“Dude, Where's my car?”

Since: Jan 08

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#25 Feb 2, 2008
Here's his crime, "Uttering and Publishing". I don't think that's a violent crime. I'm not saying I would want him in my home around my children and grand-children but I certainly don't believe that particular crime deserves a death sentence. On that page that Arctic posted he was also under parole. I haven't had much dealings with the "justice" system but my understanding that being on parole he had to have a residence, and address. Makes me wonder how many people are repeat offenders just to have a warm meal and warm place to sleep. Prison I guess would be better than living on the streets.

THE MICHIGAN PENAL CODE (EXCERPT)
Act 328 of 1931

750.249 Forgery of records and other instruments; uttering and publishing.

Sec. 249.

Uttering and publishing forged instruments—Any person who shall utter and publish as true, any false, forged, altered or counterfeit record, deed, instrument or other writing mentioned in the preceding section, knowing the same to be false, altered, forged or counterfeit, with intent to injure or defraud as aforesaid, shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 14 years.

History: 1931, Act 328, Eff. Sept. 18, 1931 ;-- CL 1948, 750.249

“Dude, Where's my car?”

Since: Jan 08

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#26 Feb 2, 2008
I have a friend who has a buisness at 19 S. Division street in Grand Rapids. I also know a guy (used to be a neighbor) who works for the GRPD. From what both of these people tell me the police find frozen and dead bodies all the time in that area and it never makes the news. Just another stiff.

I saw an earlier post on a different forum for this same story and someone was asking me if this guy was a veteran. I wonder the same thing.

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#27 Feb 2, 2008
yooo hooooooooo wrote:
Is the area where this man was found desolate? I don't understand how someone in the city could be left to freeze to death. Is there no traffic in that area, no buildings, nobody walking? If this were out on a country road maybe I would understand. But for a human being to be left in a snowbank to die, just boggles my mind. I live in GR Area and even in the summer when I saw someone down on the ground, I called the police to get them help, and did what I could for them until the police arrived.(I am not a nurse or doctor). The very least someone could have done is report the person down in the snow. Who knows a free call to 911 may have saved his life.
You don't need to take him home with you... but what would it hurt to make a call.
I sure hope that I am never out and fall down, unable to get up. It seems in this day and age you could lay there till you die.
From the start most people assumed this man was homeless. Why is that?
HEAVY TRAFIC ALL DAY!
I am trying to figure out exactly the spot they could have found him.
there is a bakery right here that is packed every morning.
Businesses go there to get breakfast for the offices, there is a elementary school right there.

now this is what gets me, not only is there heavy traffic on laketon ave, but there is heavy pedestrian traffic as well.
there is a bicycle path all down laketon.
people use this all though the day, to walk their dogs, children walking to school, people riding bikes(yes in the winter as well) I do not understand this.
I think they might be looking at this as suspicious.
Then to boot, THERE IS A HOMELESS SHELTER RIGHT THERE!
that place makes me angry!
the HOSPITAL (Hackley) is right there.
My point is the area may not have been the best, but there were people from all walks of life that MUST have passed him.
I am wondering if he was somewhere that you couldn't see him.
I pray to god they don't mean on the side of the road snow bank and nobody did a darn thing, that is one scary thought.
I think he was back some...on that corner is a small open area across from the bakery.
you are right, it is very mind boggling.
I wonder what time he was found.
Imagine all the children walking to school.
all the way around this is horrible.
what a horrible way to die.
God bless his soul!

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#28 Feb 2, 2008
Hurley35 wrote:
Here's his crime, "Uttering and Publishing". I don't think that's a violent crime. I'm not saying I would want him in my home around my children and grand-children but I certainly don't believe that particular crime deserves a death sentence. On that page that Arctic posted he was also under parole. I haven't had much dealings with the "justice" system but my understanding that being on parole he had to have a residence, and address. Makes me wonder how many people are repeat offenders just to have a warm meal and warm place to sleep. Prison I guess would be better than living on the streets.
THE MICHIGAN PENAL CODE (EXCERPT)
Act 328 of 1931
750.249 Forgery of records and other instruments; uttering and publishing.
Sec. 249.
Uttering and publishing forged instruments—Any person who shall utter and publish as true, any false, forged, altered or counterfeit record, deed, instrument or other writing mentioned in the preceding section, knowing the same to be false, altered, forged or counterfeit, with intent to injure or defraud as aforesaid, shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 14 years.
History: 1931, Act 328, Eff. Sept. 18, 1931 ;-- CL 1948, 750.249
the state is broke, they are releasing people early everyday.
I doubt they care to much about where they live.
it is hard for people who get out to get housing and even a job.
the county clerk(Mrs.Karen Bouie) has been on a mission helping parolee's to obtain a state I.D just so they can get a job.(hats off to you karen, you are doing a great job) a friend of mine is a C.O and they tell him all the time"you might not get paid, the state is broke"!
YES, people are getting out and committing a crime just so they do have a place to live.
they cant afford to be out here.
HOW SAD!
I know they should have done the crime that got them to where they are(as I said, we don't know what got them to that point to judge it), but when they are deemed fot to return to society.......why aren't they given more tools to help .I will say that it has gotten a lot better, but it is still far from any thing more then a set up for failure.

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#29 Feb 2, 2008
Hurley35 wrote:
I have a friend who has a buisness at 19 S. Division street in Grand Rapids. I also know a guy (used to be a neighbor) who works for the GRPD. From what both of these people tell me the police find frozen and dead bodies all the time in that area and it never makes the news. Just another stiff.
I saw an earlier post on a different forum for this same story and someone was asking me if this guy was a veteran. I wonder the same thing.
how sad!

“Dude, Where's my car?”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#30 Feb 2, 2008
Is the "Department of Corrections" an Oxymoron? I don't see much "correcting" going on. We just lock them up and when their time is up we let them out. I've certainly never been in a jail but I can understand that a desperate person might commit a crime just to go back to jail where they get 3 hots and cot. Has anyone every been to see one of these homeless shelters? I wouldn't put a dog (and I love dogs) in one of them.

wda

Since: Dec 07

United States

#31 Feb 2, 2008
From local reports I believe the spot on Laketon Ave. where person was found is between Catholic Central High School and the Wesco station one block East of the school.
Bri Bri 73 wrote:
<quoted text>
HEAVY TRAFIC ALL DAY!
I am trying to figure out exactly the spot they could have found him.
there is a bakery right here that is packed every morning.
Businesses go there to get breakfast for the offices, there is a elementary school right there.
now this is what gets me, not only is there heavy traffic on laketon ave, but there is heavy pedestrian traffic as well.
there is a bicycle path all down laketon.
people use this all though the day, to walk their dogs, children walking to school, people riding bikes(yes in the winter as well) I do not understand this.
I think they might be looking at this as suspicious.
Then to boot, THERE IS A HOMELESS SHELTER RIGHT THERE!
that place makes me angry!
the HOSPITAL (Hackley) is right there.
My point is the area may not have been the best, but there were people from all walks of life that MUST have passed him.
I am wondering if he was somewhere that you couldn't see him.
I pray to god they don't mean on the side of the road snow bank and nobody did a darn thing, that is one scary thought.
I think he was back some...on that corner is a small open area across from the bakery.
you are right, it is very mind boggling.
I wonder what time he was found.
Imagine all the children walking to school.
all the way around this is horrible.
what a horrible way to die.
God bless his soul!

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#32 Feb 2, 2008
wda wrote:
From local reports I believe the spot on Laketon Ave. where person was found is between Catholic Central High School and the Wesco station one block East of the school.<quoted text>
where did you see that at?
Thats crazy, yesterday in the muskegon chronicle it said on laketon near the corner of terrace.
1100 block??
if that is the case, there is the school..a big open field..a street and a old cleaners then another street and the wesco station all pretty close together.
BUT if he was in that field..it may have been hard to see, but again that is heave traffic area.
again school...and right there is a shelter(next to the school).That area would make a little more sence on how someone could not have seen him if he was in that big field.
every womens place..
I would like to know where you found that at though.
I still think something is not right here.
very sad!

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#33 Feb 2, 2008
Hurley35 wrote:
Is the "Department of Corrections" an Oxymoron? I don't see much "correcting" going on. We just lock them up and when their time is up we let them out. I've certainly never been in a jail but I can understand that a desperate person might commit a crime just to go back to jail where they get 3 hots and cot. Has anyone every been to see one of these homeless shelters? I wouldn't put a dog (and I love dogs) in one of them.
lol...I am sorry to laugh at something so serious.but yuo are so right!
I have never thought of it like that.
Department of corrections being a Oxymorn.

as far as the shelters, a lot of the times people dont have to worry about staying there, they are tossed out to make room for the next person.
how much sense dose that make?
I am sorry I have a very strong dislike for what muskegon county dose to the people in need here.

“Taz say Hi”

Since: Jan 08

Holland,MI

#34 Feb 2, 2008
Bri Bri 73 wrote:
<quoted text>
TAZ???
not everyone is going to be like you.
I/We do not appreciate people saying cruel things about people that just lost their life.
THEY DO IT ANYWAY!
your not even posting about the story, only what other people are upset about or what you do not appreciate.
That is another thing that a lot of posters do not like.
People that come on (like me) and don't post about the story at hand.
it is a sad story.
I didn't check is record.
BUT if it is true that he had a criminal background and if it is true that it is uttering and publishing.
HOW do we know he didn't do that to feed his children???
times are hard and "white collar" crimes are way up.( a lot of people don't consider it as bad on this forum, only the thugs that commit a crime)
my point is we don't know what made him homeless or why he did what he did.
I don't mean to imply that it's O.K...but it is said all the time..walk a mile in the shoes of THAT one.
we never know what we would do in certain situations.
I try to think like that and if you are reasonable as reasonable as you say you are.
YOU wouldn't appreciate people acting the way they are about not wanting to help.
what if he was a vet that our country turned their back on???
Muskegon has SO MANY homeless vets!
NO~ I am not picking with you.
I know, Bri. I try very hard to stay on topic, but once in a while I feel something needs to be said but I do my best not to make it a personal attack

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#35 Feb 2, 2008
I just found this on M live...
How terribly sad.
I am sure people will have bad things to say now, or feel better about what they said.
He was still a man that lost his life!
Prayers to the family and friends

Bitter cold took a 'wonderful soul'

Posted by Lisa Medendorp | The Muskegon Chronicle February 01, 2008 22:09PM

Kathy Jacobson took her brother, Lonnie Gordon, out for a birthday dinner Saturday. She also bought him boots and gloves, and there were other gifts as well.

Lonnie David GordonYes, he struggled with an alcohol problem, "but he was working on that," she said. "He was doing pretty good."

Gordon, of Muskegon, who actually turned 48 on Monday, died from hypothermia -- prolonged exposure to the frigid weather. His body was found at 9:43 a.m. Wednesday in a snowbank along West Laketon Avenue.

A memorial service is planned for 11 a.m. Tuesday at Clock Funeral Home, 1469 Peck.
Even though Gordon had stayed at the Rescue Mission and was described by police as homeless, he had a family who cared.

"It's not like he was just a nobody," Jacobson said. "He was well-loved by his entire family.

"He just chose to be the way he was," the North Muskegon woman said of her younger brother. "Everyone has tried to help him."

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#36 Feb 2, 2008
Gentle Taz wrote:
<quoted text>
I know, Bri. I try very hard to stay on topic, but once in a while I feel something needs to be said but I do my best not to make it a personal attack
coming to this forum I had views / opinions that were very different.
reading all of these bad things in the news can harden you a bit.
I never once thought I would lean toward the death penalty.
now reading all the horrible things that people do to children, woman etc..
they horrible replies people post, racism people that complain about their tax dollars going toward helping someone that is hurt or hungry?
it is HARD not to say mean things back to them.
seeing people make fun of a over weight man, a woman that fell.
Everyone here is passionate about something, everyone has a story that will hit close to home.
with all due respect, if I see someone being cruel I WILL say something that may be just as harsh.
I am not one to just start it, you being fairly new all you have seen is it going on and on and on..
I use to be respectful, especially f my elders if I knew they were.
there are certain people I wont talk to because I want to snap on them for posts they make.
There are people that will not post to me maybe for that same reason.
maybe because they came in during that big blow up.(ha ha there have been a few)
and trust me..I know that me explaining this to you, will allow them to take thier cheap shots.
to I expect them to take the cheap shots.
someone WILL get you to that point, just wait until someone says something cruel tht hits close to home for you.
I use to be just the way you are now.

“Taz say Hi”

Since: Jan 08

Holland,MI

#37 Feb 2, 2008
For people who feel bad that he may have suffered as he died, according to accounts I have read by people who almost froze to death, it is not painful. It was described as initially being very cold and painful, but then, even as they became unable to move, they felt warm again, and said they felt very peaceful. They said that the painful part of it did not last very long.
Silvia

Ingleside, IL

#38 Feb 2, 2008
Gentle Taz wrote:
For people who feel bad that he may have suffered as he died, according to accounts I have read by people who almost froze to death, it is not painful. It was described as initially being very cold and painful, but then, even as they became unable to move, they felt warm again, and said they felt very peaceful. They said that the painful part of it did not last very long.
So, what you are saying is that for us NOT to feel bad because he probably didn't suffer much??? Are you serious? Maybe coming up with this explanation helps soothes your conscience.

I agree with a few other posters that stated irregardless, this is a human being that has lost his life. A lot of people these days only care enough for their own little worlds, and it doesn't seem to include compassion for any but save themselves. We are becoming a sad society indeed.
hmmmmm

United States

#39 Feb 2, 2008
I don't think that Taz meant it like that. Many here (myself included) feel horrible that our society has come to the point where we ignore a man laying in a snowbank... for various reasons, maybe because we don't want to get involved, maybe out of fear, maybe because we just don't really know what to do. Whatever the reason, it happens everyday. May of our elderly die alone and nobody finds them... why? Where is their family? Why don't neighbors check on them. Why do we as a society just look the other way? Why are we so self absorbed that we don't seem to care about he people around us?

“Dude, Where's my car?”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#40 Feb 2, 2008
Gentle Taz wrote:
For people who feel bad that he may have suffered as he died, according to accounts I have read by people who almost froze to death, it is not painful. It was described as initially being very cold and painful, but then, even as they became unable to move, they felt warm again, and said they felt very peaceful. They said that the painful part of it did not last very long.
Taz, I usually agree with you on what you post but I'm going to have to beg to differ with you on this one. Perhaps the process of his death was "easy" but the fact is he died and was found in a snowbank. I don't think that says a whole lot for our society as whole.

“Taz say Hi”

Since: Jan 08

Holland,MI

#41 Feb 2, 2008
Silvia wrote:
<quoted text>
So, what you are saying is that for us NOT to feel bad because he probably didn't suffer much??? Are you serious? Maybe coming up with this explanation helps soothes your conscience.
I agree with a few other posters that stated irregardless, this is a human being that has lost his life. A lot of people these days only care enough for their own little worlds, and it doesn't seem to include compassion for any but save themselves. We are becoming a sad society indeed.
I'm sorry that you feel that way about my post. I was just trying to provide a little comfort for people that are feeling bad. As for him losing his life, it sounds to me like he was the main contributor to that. Alcoholism will do that to it's victims.

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