Horse lovers descended Monday on an E...

Horse lovers descended Monday on an East Bethel farm to draw...

There are 11 comments on the TwinCities story from Aug 29, 2011, titled Horse lovers descended Monday on an East Bethel farm to draw.... In it, TwinCities reports that:

Horse lovers descended Monday on an East Bethel farm to draw attention to 71 horses they say are being neglected inside its fences.

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Since: Aug 11

Memphis, TN

#1 Aug 31, 2011
Animal hoarding is caused by a mental condition. This man CERTAINLY fits the description of a hoarder. Please don't give up on the horses, they need some SANE person/people to care.

Stories such as this one are disturbing in the extreme...
Adam

Blue Bell, PA

#2 Sep 2, 2011
East Bethel has been sitting on their hands for years. Complaints on this guy have been rolling in for 20 years.

Since: Aug 11

Memphis, TN

#3 Sep 2, 2011
Adam wrote:
East Bethel has been sitting on their hands for years. Complaints on this guy have been rolling in for 20 years.
Makes it a double shame then!
Please let us know how things go for these horses!
I am not sure how the forum works concerning follow-up stories.
josey

Flat Rock, IL

#4 Nov 30, 2011

“Use renewable resources”

Since: Apr 11

Wear fur and save the earth

#5 Nov 30, 2011
josey wrote:
http://members.beforeitsnews.c om/story/1444/412/Obama_Signs_ Law_Legalizing_Horse_Slaughter _In_The_US.html
If you don't like horse meat, do what I do and don't buy it. Problem solved. If someone does want to eat horse meat, they should have the right to do so.
ANCAP

San Diego, CA

#6 Dec 3, 2011
For ages, man's right to exploit the living world--to use it for his purposes --went unquestioned. Trees were for lumber, crops for harvesting, animals for eating and skinning as well, of course, as for companionship. When not consumed directly, the products into which human labor transformed living things found their way to the market. Nothing seemed more, well, natural.

But man's free use of animals has lately come under fire. The most candid "animal liberationists" are entirely uncompromising. 

Forcing the owner to give up the animal would be the same as forcing a owner of a yard to give it up because he does not keep the grass in perfect shape. I am personally against animal abuse, but just because I believe it is wrong does not justify taking their property (animal) away because I think it is wrong. 

I guess if somebody is beating an animal and abusing it, it is their right to do so. I am not sure what they would get out of hurting an animal except a waste of time and money but if they want to, it is not anyone else's place to stop it, especially by coercive means. 

There is, in fact, rough justice in the common quip that “we will recognize the rights of animals whenever they petition for them.” The fact that animals can obviously not petition for their “rights” is part of their nature, and part of the reason why they are clearly not equivalent to, and do not possess the rights of, human beings.

“Use renewable resources”

Since: Apr 11

Wear fur and save the earth

#7 Dec 4, 2011
ANCAP wrote:
For ages, man's right to exploit the living world--to use it for his purposes --went unquestioned. Trees were for lumber, crops for harvesting, animals for eating and skinning as well, of course, as for companionship. When not consumed directly, the products into which human labor transformed living things found their way to the market. Nothing seemed more, well, natural.
But man's free use of animals has lately come under fire. The most candid "animal liberationists" are entirely uncompromising. 
Forcing the owner to give up the animal would be the same as forcing a owner of a yard to give it up because he does not keep the grass in perfect shape. I am personally against animal abuse, but just because I believe it is wrong does not justify taking their property (animal) away because I think it is wrong. 
I guess if somebody is beating an animal and abusing it, it is their right to do so. I am not sure what they would get out of hurting an animal except a waste of time and money but if they want to, it is not anyone else's place to stop it, especially by coercive means. 
There is, in fact, rough justice in the common quip that “we will recognize the rights of animals whenever they petition for them.” The fact that animals can obviously not petition for their “rights” is part of their nature, and part of the reason why they are clearly not equivalent to, and do not possess the rights of, human beings.
Well said.

hiss of death

“Bowhunting Is Euphoric”

Since: Jan 09

Double Lung em

#8 Dec 5, 2011
ANCAP wrote:
But man's free use of animals has lately come under fire. The most candid "animal liberationists" are entirely uncompromising.
You are quite the diplomat.

The most ardent animal liberationists are lunatics and some are even terrorists.

“Ahimsa”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#9 Dec 6, 2011
ANCAP wrote:
I guess if somebody is beating an animal and abusing it, it is their right to do so. I am not sure what they would get out of hurting an animal except a waste of time and money but if they want to, it is not anyone else's place to stop it, especially by coercive means. 
On this, I must disagree. Witnessing abuse of an animal, and not trying to stop it would make me as guilty as the abuser, IMO.(I am speaking of LEGAL avenues, not illegal activity) Animal abuse IS a crime under the law. So, no, they do not have a "right" to abuse, or beat an animal.

hiss of death

“Bowhunting Is Euphoric”

Since: Jan 09

Double Lung em

#10 Dec 6, 2011
metta wrote:
<quoted text>
On this, I must disagree. Witnessing abuse of an animal, and not trying to stop it would make me as guilty as the abuser, IMO.(I am speaking of LEGAL avenues, not illegal activity) Animal abuse IS a crime under the law. So, no, they do not have a "right" to abuse, or beat an animal.
I agree with this. I doubt I could stand idly by and watch blatant animal abuse. I would feel compelled to say something and likely notify authorities.
ANCAP

San Diego, CA

#11 Dec 7, 2011
2011 Minnesota Statutes

Subd. 2.Animal. "Animal" means every living creature except members of the human race.

Subd. 3.Torture; cruelty. "Torture" or "cruelty" means every act, omission, or neglect which causes or permits unnecessary or unjustifiable pain, suffering, or death.

https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/statutes/...

There are, of course, many difficulties with this position, including arriving at some criterion of which animals or living beings to include in the sphere of rights and which to leave out. If we read this statue verbatim then we must extend rights to all living animals and deny the right of anyone to step on a cockroach. And, if the theory were extended further from conscious living beings to all living beings, such as bacteria or plants, the human race would rather quickly die out. Yet a public long fed a diet of Disneyfied cartoon animals has also swallowed a lot of pabulum about the "humanness" of animals.

But the fundamental flaw in the theory of animal rights is more basic and far-reaching. For the assertion of human rights is not properly a simple emotive one; individuals possess rights not because we “feel” that they should, but because of a rational inquiry into the nature of man and the universe. In short, man has rights because they are natural rights.

I believe that the most prudent way to handle this may involve some sort of community standard. If a group of citizens feel like the animals are being abused or maltreated then they should offer to buy the animals. Why does the property owner have to be coerced into freely giving his property to a third party? However no  national, federal or state level should have control it should be local.

The nature of animals makes them worthy of human compassion, kindness and care, but never of any human rights.

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