Mixed results in test scores

Mixed results in test scores

There are 43 comments on the Akron Beacon Journal story from Jun 18, 2008, titled Mixed results in test scores. In it, Akron Beacon Journal reports that:

Just under half of Akron's Class of 2010 cleared a crucial hurdle this spring when they were sophomores - they passed all five sections of the Ohio Graduation Test.

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Mars

Stow, OH

#3 Jun 19, 2008
The initial test is administered prior to the completion of tenth grade. If you pass the test, it only means that you are proficient through the ninth grade.
Mary

Akron, OH

#4 Jun 19, 2008
A question, on these tests, made possible by the "great" (sarcasm) leave no child behind"-Do the students with severe disabilities like Down's syndrome-our school has two such students-(each with their own paid 'sitter')have to pass the test to graduate?
Disappointed

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#5 Jun 19, 2008
Interesting fact ... charter schools in Summit County didn't receive a grade higher than 56%... 24% in all 5 categories tested. Yes, people, again, our school tax dollars being wasted on these charter schools. Close them down and funnel that money into the public school system, where the kids are at least learning something!
Ignorant Jerk

Akron, OH

#6 Jun 19, 2008
Summit Racer wrote:
Once again the lack of intelligence by inner city CrAkron blacks has been shown in the 48% test passage rate results.
My children both male and female, 3 nieces and 2 nephews who are black all passed in the tenth grade so you need to keep your racist comments to yourself. Futhermore, East and Firestone High Schools both passed with 99% pass rate! At the last time I checked both schools are prodominetly black. How about Ellet and Garfield who both have a lot of white students didn't do so well. Get your facts straight before making IGONORANT COMMENTS JERK!!!!
rekd

United States

#7 Jun 19, 2008
These tests are 10th grade level not 9th. Students with disabilities have to prove competency some how. Depending on their disability, they either take the test like all the others or they do an alternative assessment-which tests how well the teacher can fill out the paperwork.
These tests would be very hard for the average sitizen to pass. Most of the stuff on the test we do not need to succeed in life. If you do not believe me go to http://www.ode.state.oh.us/GD/Templates/Pages...

the Ohio Department of ed web page and get copies of old tests.
Ignorant Jerk

Akron, OH

#8 Jun 19, 2008
IGNORANT Comments JERK!!!!!
Disappointed

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#9 Jun 19, 2008
Ignorant Jerk wrote:
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My children both male and female, 3 nieces and 2 nephews who are black all passed in the tenth grade so you need to keep your racist comments to yourself. Futhermore, East and Firestone High Schools both passed with 99% pass rate! At the last time I checked both schools are prodominetly black. How about Ellet and Garfield who both have a lot of white students didn't do so well. Get your facts straight before making IGONORANT COMMENTS JERK!!!!
99% pass rate? Hudson didn't even rate that high, so I find it hard to believe that East and Firestone did!

Since: Jun 08

Akron, Ohio

#10 Jun 19, 2008
Mary wrote:
A question, on these tests, made possible by the "great" (sarcasm) leave no child behind"-Do the students with severe disabilities like Down's syndrome-our school has two such students-(each with their own paid 'sitter')have to pass the test to graduate?
I do not believe special ed students have to pass this particular test to graduate, but they probably have a different, more like skills centered, test. If these children are not integrated into the regular class room as you suggest, it wouldn't be logical to ahere them to the same standards.

Since: Jun 08

Akron, Ohio

#11 Jun 19, 2008
rekd wrote:
These tests are 10th grade level not 9th. Students with disabilities have to prove competency some how. Depending on their disability, they either take the test like all the others or they do an alternative assessment-which tests how well the teacher can fill out the paperwork.
These tests would be very hard for the average sitizen to pass. Most of the stuff on the test we do not need to succeed in life. If you do not believe me go to http://www.ode.state.oh.us/GD/Templates/Pages...
the Ohio Department of ed web page and get copies of old tests.
This test would be hard to pass when you can't spell citizen, but in all actuality, this test is ridiculously easy and it made to test students in basic subjects they have already learned. If they can't pass this test, they obviously haven't comprehended anything they've learned in high school. Should we just be giving them diplomas? And of course high schoolers won't be using, English, Math and basic science in the everyday life.

Since: Jun 08

Akron, Ohio

#12 Jun 19, 2008
Ignorant Jerk wrote:
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My children both male and female, 3 nieces and 2 nephews who are black all passed in the tenth grade so you need to keep your racist comments to yourself. Futhermore, East and Firestone High Schools both passed with 99% pass rate! At the last time I checked both schools are prodominetly black. How about Ellet and Garfield who both have a lot of white students didn't do so well. Get your facts straight before making IGONORANT COMMENTS JERK!!!!
Great job to them!
Cloverine Fleetwood

Akron, OH

#13 Jun 19, 2008
Mary wrote:
A question, on these tests, made possible by the "great" (sarcasm) leave no child behind"-Do the students with severe disabilities like Down's syndrome-our school has two such students-(each with their own paid 'sitter')have to pass the test to graduate?
I think you raise important points. Here is my take.

Students who have severe handicaps take "alternate assessments" that are geared toward their individual situations. Each of these students has an "Individual Education Plan (IEP)" which fully describes the handicapping condition and sets forth appropriate learning goals for the student's individual circumstance. The alernate assessment is basically a portfolio record that presents evidence of the degree to which the student has achieved his or her goals. An alternative assessment must be completed as a condition for graduation, but, unlike the regular OGT, there is not set level of proficiency set by the state that must be reached by every severely handicapped student. The level of proficiency is based on what the individual students is capable of and expected to do based on that capability.

A low percentage of handicapped students are severlely enought handicapped to need to take alternate assessments.
Almost all handicapped students the Ohio Graduation Tests (OGT), but are rarely, if ever, required to pass it to graduate.
These handicapped student's scores are counted in the overall school and school district average even though the student is not individually accountable.

One of the great challenges facing educators is how to raise the scores of the less severely handicapped students. Teachers know that these students have barriers that make learning more challenging, yet must design instruction in such a way as to assure the student will overcome and learn all that is expected of a non-handicapped student. The difficulty is sometimes made even greater because the student, fully aware that he or she does not need to pass the test to graduate, does not have the pressure and drive of a student who must pass to graduate. All that being said, schools cannot use any of this as an excuse for students not passing - that is the essence of No Child Left Behind.

Cloverine Fleetwood

Akron, OH

#14 Jun 19, 2008
Ignorant Jerk wrote:
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My children both male and female, 3 nieces and 2 nephews who are black all passed in the tenth grade so you need to keep your racist comments to yourself. Futhermore, East and Firestone High Schools both passed with 99% pass rate! At the last time I checked both schools are prodominetly black. How about Ellet and Garfield who both have a lot of white students didn't do so well. Get your facts straight before making IGONORANT COMMENTS JERK!!!!
Ranked from highest to lowest, based on the 2006-2007 State Report Cards, the pecentages of African Amercian students in Akron's seven public high schools are:

96.4% Buchtel
64.2% East
58.2% Garfield
56.6% Kenmore
48.7% North
44.4% Firestone
13.9% Ellet

It should be noted that Firestone has a built in advantange. The International Baccalaureate and Visual and Performing Arts programs are groups of selected students who must already be high achieving to be admitted. I do not think that it a bad thing, but I do think it is something that should be kept in mind when comparing Firestone's scores to those of the other six schools.
rekd

United States

#15 Jun 19, 2008
AttractiveNuisan ce -sorry for the typo.

Since: Jun 08

Akron, Ohio

#16 Jun 19, 2008
Cloverine Fleetwood wrote:
<quoted text>
Ranked from highest to lowest, based on the 2006-2007 State Report Cards, the pecentages of African Amercian students in Akron's seven public high schools are:
96.4% Buchtel
64.2% East
58.2% Garfield
56.6% Kenmore
48.7% North
44.4% Firestone
13.9% Ellet
It should be noted that Firestone has a built in advantange. The International Baccalaureate and Visual and Performing Arts programs are groups of selected students who must already be high achieving to be admitted. I do not think that it a bad thing, but I do think it is something that should be kept in mind when comparing Firestone's scores to those of the other six schools.
Yes, but other schools have similar programs which require higher standards to be admitted including AP classes and participating in college courses for credit during junior/senior year.

Since: Jun 08

Akron, Ohio

#17 Jun 19, 2008
Cloverine Fleetwood wrote:
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Ranked from highest to lowest, based on the 2006-2007 State Report Cards, the pecentages of African Amercian students in Akron's seven public high schools are:
96.4% Buchtel
64.2% East
58.2% Garfield
56.6% Kenmore
48.7% North
44.4% Firestone
13.9% Ellet
It should be noted that Firestone has a built in advantange. The International Baccalaureate and Visual and Performing Arts programs are groups of selected students who must already be high achieving to be admitted. I do not think that it a bad thing, but I do think it is something that should be kept in mind when comparing Firestone's scores to those of the other six schools.
Also, is that a first time passage rate or overall to include students sophomore to senior? Maybe the 99% the previous commenter is thinking of has to do with the graduating class at the end of senior year? As in, 64% of East's students may have passed on the first try sophomore year, but 99% eventually passed by senior year?
Ahau Kin

Maumelle, AR

#18 Jun 19, 2008
48 percent of those who actually go to school. I'll wager this percentage drops way lower when measured as a fraction of total population of that age.

I think I'll move to Ellet..... that is, if I can believe those numbers. Black people are scary.
rekd

United States

#19 Jun 19, 2008
Just out of curiosity how many of you have seen the tests?
Ahau Kin

Maumelle, AR

#20 Jun 19, 2008
Oh, and Hudson had an astonishingly successful pass rate?

Isn't Hudson pretty much all rich folks, well to do and all? Far better income than Akron in general?

My oh my! Right in your face is demonstrated a definite correlation: more wealth = better education!

The Meritocracy in action!
Spirit of Reagan

Redwood City, CA

#23 Jun 19, 2008
Ignorant Jerk wrote:
<quoted text>
My children both male and female, 3 nieces and 2 nephews who are black all passed in the tenth grade so you need to keep your racist comments to yourself. Futhermore, East and Firestone High Schools both passed with 99% pass rate! At the last time I checked both schools are prodominetly black. How about Ellet and Garfield who both have a lot of white students didn't do so well. Get your facts straight before making IGONORANT COMMENTS JERK!!!!
How did Buchtel do?
Spirit of Reagan

Redwood City, CA

#24 Jun 19, 2008
Cloverine Fleetwood wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you raise important points. Here is my take.
Students who have severe handicaps take "alternate assessments" that are geared toward their individual situations. Each of these students has an "Individual Education Plan (IEP)" which fully describes the handicapping condition and sets forth appropriate learning goals for the student's individual circumstance. The alernate assessment is basically a portfolio record that presents evidence of the degree to which the student has achieved his or her goals. An alternative assessment must be completed as a condition for graduation, but, unlike the regular OGT, there is not set level of proficiency set by the state that must be reached by every severely handicapped student. The level of proficiency is based on what the individual students is capable of and expected to do based on that capability.
A low percentage of handicapped students are severlely enought handicapped to need to take alternate assessments.
Almost all handicapped students the Ohio Graduation Tests (OGT), but are rarely, if ever, required to pass it to graduate.
These handicapped student's scores are counted in the overall school and school district average even though the student is not individually accountable.
One of the great challenges facing educators is how to raise the scores of the less severely handicapped students. Teachers know that these students have barriers that make learning more challenging, yet must design instruction in such a way as to assure the student will overcome and learn all that is expected of a non-handicapped student. The difficulty is sometimes made even greater because the student, fully aware that he or she does not need to pass the test to graduate, does not have the pressure and drive of a student who must pass to graduate. All that being said, schools cannot use any of this as an excuse for students not passing - that is the essence of No Child Left Behind.
The problem is schools would start classifying the dumber kids as tards to push up the scores. Akron Public Schools would classify a 1,000 kids as tards and then they would look good.

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