Schools to appeal to voters

Schools to appeal to voters

There are 67 comments on the Akron Beacon Journal story from May 22, 2008, titled Schools to appeal to voters. In it, Akron Beacon Journal reports that:

The Tallmadge and Stow-Munroe Falls school districts will ask voters for additional property tax money in the Aug.

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Kevin

Canton, OH

#1 May 23, 2008
I understand that the schools need money to operate. But with gas prices approaching $4.00+ they are going to have to develop some hard selling points to convince the voters to approve these levies.
Resident

Cleveland, OH

#2 May 23, 2008
Kevin wrote:
I understand that the schools need money to operate. But with gas prices approaching $4.00+ they are going to have to develop some hard selling points to convince the voters to approve these levies.
If voters need "hard selling points", then the voters are morons. Oh wait -- it's already a given voters are morons.
Those of us who enjoy Stow's EXCELLENT rating will make sure we keep that EXCELLENT rating for our district. Times are tough and the schools realize that, but again, they don't have a choice. Until the way Ohio fixes the way it funds its' public schools -- something the loser, incompetent and CRIMINAL Taft Administration failed to do despite FOUR Ohio Supreme Court rulings -- the schools asking for money will continue.
Luckily for all of us, Strickland's been working on it and plans to submit his plan in 2009.
Old Man Grump

Akron, OH

#3 May 23, 2008
Great - I get another chance this year to tell Tallmadge NO NEW REAL ESTATE TAXES !!!!

Reduced the levy request from 8.9 to 6.9 mills so they were asking for more then they needed the first couple times and Mary Taylor has not done the audit called for at the school board meeting yet. Until that's done and the prove positive is shown, Tallmadge voters should just say NO to new school real estate taxes.

Retirees can't afford to pay more. Increase the pay for play, more layoffs, excess property sales, etc. to reduce money needs. Leave us citizens alone without tax increases we can't afford to pay. Gas is at 399.95 off the circle this morning and will be over $4.00+ soon.

Vote NO Tallmadge !!!
Old Man Grump

Akron, OH

#4 May 23, 2008
Great - I get another chance this year to tell Tallmadge NO NEW REAL ESTATE TAXES !!!!

Reduced the levy request from 8.9 to 6.9 mills so they were asking for more then they needed the first couple times and Mary Taylor has not done the audit called for at the school board meeting yet. Until that's done and the prove positive is shown, Tallmadge voters should just say NO to new school real estate taxes.

Retirees can't afford to pay more. Increase the pay for play, more layoffs, excess property sales, etc. to reduce money needs. Leave us citizens alone without tax increases we can't afford to pay. Gas is at $3.999 [Corrected] off the circle this morning and will be over $4.00+ soon.

Vote NO Tallmadge !!!
Use Common Sense

Kent, OH

#5 May 23, 2008
Resident...
"Luckily for all of us, Strickland's been working on it and plans to submit his plan in 2009."

Well if Strickland's going to fix the school funding issue then why vote for the levy. Wait another year and avoid the additional tax burden that the selfish pro-levy folks impose on others. Kids will continue to learn without the levy so wait for Strickland's plan to be implemented. It'll be a joyful day when the School funding issue is fixed, I can't wait.
solitare

Stow, OH

#6 May 23, 2008
Resident wrote:
<quoted text>
If voters need "hard selling points", then the voters are morons. Oh wait -- it's already a given voters are morons.
Those of us who enjoy Stow's EXCELLENT rating will make sure we keep that EXCELLENT rating for our district. Times are tough and the schools realize that, but again, they don't have a choice. Until the way Ohio fixes the way it funds its' public schools -- something the loser, incompetent and CRIMINAL Taft Administration failed to do despite FOUR Ohio Supreme Court rulings -- the schools asking for money will continue.
Luckily for all of us, Strickland's been working on it and plans to submit his plan in 2009.
I am wondering just how much further ahead a student who graduates from a district rated "excellent" vs. "good" really is? Just how much does it cost a district to keep an excellent rating?
Dandy Don

Hudson, OH

#7 May 23, 2008
Resident wrote:
<quoted text>
If voters need "hard selling points", then the voters are morons. Oh wait -- it's already a given voters are morons.
Those of us who enjoy Stow's EXCELLENT rating will make sure we keep that EXCELLENT rating for our district. Times are tough and the schools realize that, but again, they don't have a choice. Until the way Ohio fixes the way it funds its' public schools -- something the loser, incompetent and CRIMINAL Taft Administration failed to do despite FOUR Ohio Supreme Court rulings -- the schools asking for money will continue.
Luckily for all of us, Strickland's been working on it and plans to submit his plan in 2009.
I live in Stow and I don't understand the urgency for a tax increase. From reading the local paper there is not anticipated shortfall this year or next. The district predicts a shortfall if two levies expire in the next couple of years and are not renewed. Does the school board propose not to ask for these renewals if this latest levy is approved? Didn't think so.

In addition, the way schools are funded, as the tax base increases, so does school funding. Does the board want me to believe that there hasn't been a lot of residential and commercial development in Stow?
In Tallmadge with kids

Akron, OH

#8 May 23, 2008
To Grump, the decrease in requested funding at Tallmadge is due to 43 job cuts, pay to play, cuts in bussing, etc. Wish I had the chance to vote on my Medicaire taxes...Since I'm not on Medicaire I shouldn't have to pay, right? Isn't that the way you think? Did you plow your own driveway this year, or did I have to pay for that too?
Rick

Stow, OH

#9 May 23, 2008
Dandy Don wrote:
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I live in Stow and I don't understand the urgency for a tax increase. From reading the local paper there is not anticipated shortfall this year or next. The district predicts a shortfall if two levies expire in the next couple of years and are not renewed. Does the school board propose not to ask for these renewals if this latest levy is approved? Didn't think so.
In addition, the way schools are funded, as the tax base increases, so does school funding. Does the board want me to believe that there hasn't been a lot of residential and commercial development in Stow?
As the tax base increases, school funding does NOT increase. This is the result of HB 920. Ever since 1976 voted mills can only generate the initial amount requested. New construction does not generate any additional monies. That is why schools must continually place levies on the ballot.

I have lived in Stow for over seventeen years. The amount that I pay in property taxes for the schools has not even come close to keeping pace with the increases of the appraised value of my home. Other millage, like the EMS levy, does not decrease. When my taxes do increase is is the direct result of non-school millage.
Old Man Grump

Akron, OH

#10 May 23, 2008
In Tallmadge with kids wrote:
To Grump, the decrease in requested funding at Tallmadge is due to 43 job cuts, pay to play, cuts in bussing, etc. Wish I had the chance to vote on my Medicaire taxes...Since I'm not on Medicaire I shouldn't have to pay, right? Isn't that the way you think? Did you plow your own driveway this year, or did I have to pay for that too?
No, I use a snowblower on my own driveway thank you.

1)The problem is the 46 jobs being eliminated were not needed. I know it's hard for people to lose their jobs, but the economy can't afford people who do not have a full days work load.
2)The buses run nearly empty to the high school every day.I know, I dropped my kids off every morning at the High School.
3)Pay to play will work. Athletic Boosters are already working on funding the athletes. I know because I go to the athletic booster meetings.

Medicare & Social Security are a right earned by people over their working lifetime. They paid into the programs and now deserve to get something back from the programs. When you turn 65 or whatever your retirement age is, you too will want medicare & social security benefits.

The problem really is the state funding. Real Estate taxes are too high in Tallmadge for retirees to continue paying more and more. We need the sales/income tax fix and soon, but for now I will continue to vote NO on any new Tallmadge taxes.

Since: Mar 07

Canton, OH

#11 May 23, 2008
Kevin wrote:
I understand that the schools need money to operate. But with gas prices approaching $4.00+ they are going to have to develop some hard selling points to convince the voters to approve these levies.
Nicely said. With the cost of all products increasin' with the cost of fuel, all proposed levies will be hard sells to the taxpayers.

Since: Mar 07

Canton, OH

#12 May 23, 2008
Resident wrote:
Luckily for all of us, Strickland's been working on it and plans to submit his plan in 2009.
Hmmm, two years to come up with a plan that he claimed to have when he ran for governor?

I'll believe there is a plan when I see one.

So far, Teddyboy equals Taft on the issue.
geneva

Akron, OH

#13 May 23, 2008
85% of all operating revenue goes to salaries and benefits. The Republicans increased funding to school districts by 40%. You are a bunch of stupid people. Do you think there is a massive pot of money sitting in Columbus that the evil Republicans would not dole out to the education establishment? Strickland doesnít have a plan, and never did. The only hope is massive consolidation of districts. There must be a push for economies of scale leading to improved efficiencies cost reductions and streamlined administration.
This belief that Strickland has a magic formula to forever fix school funding is at best naÔve and in reality asinine
In Tallmadge with kids

Akron, OH

#14 May 23, 2008
Old Man Grump wrote:
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No, I use a snowblower on my own driveway thank you.
1)The problem is the 46 jobs being eliminated were not needed. I know it's hard for people to lose their jobs, but the economy can't afford people who do not have a full days work load.
2)The buses run nearly empty to the high school every day.I know, I dropped my kids off every morning at the High School.
3)Pay to play will work. Athletic Boosters are already working on funding the athletes. I know because I go to the athletic booster meetings.
Medicare & Social Security are a right earned by people over their working lifetime. They paid into the programs and now deserve to get something back from the programs. When you turn 65 or whatever your retirement age is, you too will want medicare & social security benefits.
The problem really is the state funding. Real Estate taxes are too high in Tallmadge for retirees to continue paying more and more. We need the sales/income tax fix and soon, but for now I will continue to vote NO on any new Tallmadge taxes.
I agree with many of your points. I would like my children to have the same opportunities as I had, but with the current economic situation, I understand the need to pay for some things directly such as sports, extracurricular activities, and even transportation. However, one area I am not willing to sacrifice in is the quality of education. Continually cutting teachers and expanding classroom size is not the answer. Less teachers means less individualized instruction for each of my children. Previous budget cuts over the years has forced cuts in special education which in turn streamlines many children with varying educational needs into one classroom. By doing this, you decrease the educational standard to mediocre for all children.
Rick

Stow, OH

#15 May 23, 2008
geneva wrote:
85% of all operating revenue goes to salaries and benefits. The Republicans increased funding to school districts by 40%. You are a bunch of stupid people. Do you think there is a massive pot of money sitting in Columbus that the evil Republicans would not dole out to the education establishment? Strickland doesnít have a plan, and never did. The only hope is massive consolidation of districts. There must be a push for economies of scale leading to improved efficiencies cost reductions and streamlined administration.
This belief that Strickland has a magic formula to forever fix school funding is at best naÔve and in reality asinine
That same economies of scale would work with safety forces but local elected officials' egos will not allow them to surrender control.
In Tallmadge with kids

Akron, OH

#16 May 23, 2008
geneva wrote:
85% of all operating revenue goes to salaries and benefits. The Republicans increased funding to school districts by 40%. You are a bunch of stupid people. Do you think there is a massive pot of money sitting in Columbus that the evil Republicans would not dole out to the education establishment? Strickland doesnít have a plan, and never did. The only hope is massive consolidation of districts. There must be a push for economies of scale leading to improved efficiencies cost reductions and streamlined administration.
This belief that Strickland has a magic formula to forever fix school funding is at best naÔve and in reality asinine
Where do you get your figures that school funding has increased by 40%? State funding has been decreasing since 2003. The argument that people are making is that it is unfair for property owners to fund schools entirely. Why not use some sort of sales tax? When you travel to some states, you pay sales tax as high as 10-12%. That spreads the burden, not only on the people of this state, but also for people traveling through this state.
City Worker

Dayton, OH

#17 May 23, 2008
Resident wrote:
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If voters need "hard selling points", then the voters are morons. Oh wait -- it's already a given voters are morons.
Those of us who enjoy Stow's EXCELLENT rating will make sure we keep that EXCELLENT rating for our district. Times are tough and the schools realize that, but again, they don't have a choice. Until the way Ohio fixes the way it funds its' public schools -- something the loser, incompetent and CRIMINAL Taft Administration failed to do despite FOUR Ohio Supreme Court rulings -- the schools asking for money will continue.
Luckily for all of us, Strickland's been working on it and plans to submit his plan in 2009.
Let's put it this way--when gas is $4, and everything else is going up because of it, and one has to tighten their belt(and maybe several notches' worth), let the school systems tighten theirs, too.

A resounding NO vote is called for!
City Worker

Dayton, OH

#18 May 23, 2008
In Tallmadge with kids wrote:
To Grump, the decrease in requested funding at Tallmadge is due to 43 job cuts, pay to play, cuts in bussing, etc. Wish I had the chance to vote on my Medicaire taxes...Since I'm not on Medicaire I shouldn't have to pay, right? Isn't that the way you think? Did you plow your own driveway this year, or did I have to pay for that too?
If you wanna give your money to the schools every time they come with their hand out(which is darned often), feel free. But don't be so free with my money. Everyone should pay some, but people with kids in the system should pay more. That being said, no one should be paying more right now w/gas prices the way they are. Let the schools live within their means like we have to.
geneva

Akron, OH

#19 May 23, 2008
Rick wrote:
<quoted text>That same economies of scale would work with safety forces but local elected officials' egos will not allow them to surrender control.
Thanks! The Norton Police too Sheriff issue is a good example of parochial demagoguery. You cannot have a stagnant population base and stagnant wages, and continually ask these people to provide more resources to the Public sector. Regardless of which Public sector you are discussing.(i.e schools,police,fire county etc.etc.etc.)
JESSIEKA84

United States

#20 May 23, 2008
Tallmadge just got new schools... what do they need more money for now? I heard a rumor that the one they built isn't big enough and they want to build another? true?

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