Just say no?

There are 33 comments on the Akron Beacon Journal story from Aug 6, 2008, titled Just say no?. In it, Akron Beacon Journal reports that:

Might Stow-Munroe Falls voters have taken their displeasure too far, rejecting a 3.2-mill levy this week? After all, the district wasn't asking for much, once you consider that the owner of a $100,000 house ...

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Cheryl

North Ridgeville, OH

#22 Aug 17, 2008
Property taxes are already extremely high and people are loosing their homes. The district should be able to work with what they are currently getting or consider cutting back or charging participants for all the extra activities that the schools offer.

Since: Jul 08

Nottingham, MD

#23 Aug 17, 2008
Again, the problem comes down to districts too small to be cost-effective.

Small districts, low cost, quality education - you can *only* have two of the three.

Since: Jul 08

Nottingham, MD

#24 Aug 17, 2008
James Madison wrote:
I certainly am not James Madison, but he argued that pure democracy is not a good idea. We are leaving school funding issues in the hands of individuals who are provincial in their thinking.
I have to admit it was nice leaving Summit County and its pure democracy nightmare of school levies for a more Madisonian republic here in Maryland.

Here, the Superintendent develops a budget proposal and provides to the independently elected school board. The board seeks public comment [and funds an outside citizen's group to provide analysis] and makes changes that are then proposed to the county council. The council is then able to make further modifications as it evaluates educational needs with other county needs [like Police, Fire, Emergency Services].

The funds are raised by a combination of state income and sales taxes, county property taxes, and county income tax so that property taxes are not the primary source of revenue.

It's not perfect but it is much, much better than the constant levies...

“Stupidity should be painful”

Since: Jun 08

Akron Area

#25 Aug 17, 2008
i2namelessinStow wrote:
<quoted text>Your son breaks a leg in the mud, you sue. Mud becomes hard dirt. The grass is then gone. Hard ground becomes dangerous. There is a reason they put grass on playing fields. Games have been canceled due to the field being dangerous. And a "concerned citizen" should know that not only football is played in the stadium. There are boys V and JV soccer teams and lacrosse teams, field hockey, and freshman, JV and V football teams. The band would likely like to practice on it as well, but can't in an effort to save the field's condition. I know you are not "concerned" about the safety of the kids. You are "concerned" only about your wallet. Ridiculous.
"Dirt" playing fields were good enough when we were growing up in the 60's. That's the problem with parents and the youth of today---too much molly coddling. We have created a soft, lazy generation. I say pass a levy with school year round. There would be vacation breaks so the parents wanting to jet somewhere in the summer and winter would be able to..sjt

“Stupidity should be painful”

Since: Jun 08

Akron Area

#26 Aug 17, 2008
Cheryl wrote:
Property taxes are already extremely high and people are loosing their homes. The district should be able to work with what they are currently getting or consider cutting back or charging participants for all the extra activities that the schools offer.
Tired of people using the excuses of "loosing their homes".. Should thought of that before you over mortgaged.. I know too many people that mortgaged 125% of value. How is that smart? Now they are caught between a rock and hard spot. Fund the schools or your property values will sink even lower and then see who will buy and move into Stow. Stow will become, once again, the Stowbilly it was known for...sjt
schoolemployeean dparent

United States

#27 Aug 17, 2008
For the record, I believe we have great schools, and great teachers, and great staff. I would gladly pay more taxes, if I had the money... but I don't. Like many in our community, our income has drastically reduced. We live today on one fourth of the income that we had two years ago and struggle from month to month just to keep our house payment made. I work for the school so that I can be with my kids when they are out of school. Almost one fourth of our housepayment is school levies. I understand that "no knew levies" have been passed. But have any been retired? We just reinstated a levy and they turn right around and ask for another one. What is the point of passing a levy that will make it that much harder for us to even live in this community. We give tax abatements to all the new businesses that come into town, what about the families that just want to live here. Stow is a great place! And my kids love it here too... and NOW because the levy didn't pass, I have to give up the posiblility of extra substitutionary hours that I might have worked for the school because there will be no busing? I'm in the hole no matter what I vote. School funding is predjudiced against the homeowner, and the school board isn't listening.

Yes, it's going to take cuts, and I am sorry about that. I'll tighten my belt and try not to complain. The problem being that instead of cutting the things that are least important, they will chose to cut the things that burn the parents and kids the most. Because if they make us uncomfortable enough we'll pass the levy. So out go the busing, reinstate pay to play, cut some extra curricular stuff... and put the levy up again, and when it fails... they will cut something else, and put it up again...

Is there a limit to how many times the levy can be thrown in our faces?
Has the school board looked around to see us struggling?
What do our children really NEED for a quality education?

Since: Jul 08

Nottingham, MD

#28 Aug 17, 2008
San Jose Transplant wrote:
<quoted text>
"Dirt" playing fields were good enough when we were growing up in the 60's. That's the problem with parents and the youth of today---too much molly coddling. We have created a soft, lazy generation. I say pass a levy with school year round. There would be vacation breaks so the parents wanting to jet somewhere in the summer and winter would be able to..sjt
FWIW - Our system (Howard County, Maryland) just did a total cost of ownership analysis of field turf vs. natural turf. Not only is the field turf safer for the athlete, it is less expensive to operate over its lifetime (by about 15% annualized I believe based on the analysis done here - Ohio's regional weather conditions might make the savings even more significant).

The cost of maintenance and of canceled events adds up more quickly than you would expect for natural grass fields - it's one of the reasons we will have all of our county high schools with field turf.

Since: Jul 08

Nottingham, MD

#29 Aug 17, 2008
schoolemployeeandparent wrote:
What do our children really NEED for a quality education?
Here is a link to the high school course list for our *public* schools:

http://www.hcpss.org/academics/hscatalog20080...

This is what your kids' competition has access to.

Compare to your individual district.

Ohio is in the bottom half of the US in academic performance. Summit County is in the bottom half of Ohio in academic performance. That is the level you are currently providing.

“Stupidity should be painful”

Since: Jun 08

Akron Area

#30 Aug 17, 2008
FYI Columbia_ MD wrote:
<quoted text>
FWIW - Our system (Howard County, Maryland) just did a total cost of ownership analysis of field turf vs. natural turf. Not only is the field turf safer for the athlete, it is less expensive to operate over its lifetime (by about 15% annualized I believe based on the analysis done here - Ohio's regional weather conditions might make the savings even more significant).
The cost of maintenance and of canceled events adds up more quickly than you would expect for natural grass fields - it's one of the reasons we will have all of our county high schools with field turf.
Good information. Thanks for sharing.

FWIW--until the school districts fix the academic financial fiasco and come up with a better funding program, to me it's a moot point. Once the schools can operate on a par above acedemically (which takes money), then concentrate on other areas, such as field turf. I just think the priorities need to be in academia first or at the 'end of the day' it will not matter if every single school in America employs the use of artificial turf. I know it's somewhat a double-edged sword as the youth needs a balanced program, but....

...sjt
James Madison

United States

#31 Aug 18, 2008
FYI Columbia_ MD wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is a link to the high school course list for our *public* schools:
http://www.hcpss.org/academics/hscatalog20080...
This is what your kids' competition has access to.
Compare to your individual district.
Ohio is in the bottom half of the US in academic performance. Summit County is in the bottom half of Ohio in academic performance. That is the level you are currently providing.
I appreciate the reasoned reply. Certainly gathering the accurate facts is important in any decision. However, we don't have the time or ability to correctly analyze every decision a public entity makes. Oftentimes individuals become angry about spending decisions after reading a letter to the editor or talking with a neighbor. That information typically is either incomplete or simply incorrect, but is used by individuals to make their decision.
My opinion 2

Stow, OH

#32 Aug 21, 2008
Why can't the school board stop spending money on silly things like a phone system that calls all of the families in Stow that have childern that go to the school to let them know that there will be no school due to snow, or "remember" to vote...silly machine cost the school board 10's of thousands....rediculious! What about the math program that the school bord is well aware the voters dis-approve of. We had a meeting about that, and it went in one ear and out the other! Money is spent on this program every year, as the supplies need replenised! Please! Go back to regular textbooks......I could go on, but enough said!
John

Louisville, KY

#33 Aug 22, 2008
Has anyone taken into consideration the amount that we are being asked to pay here? It basically equals out to $8 dollars a month..$8 dollars! If you max it out the most anyone will pay in Stow is about an extra $30.00 a month. That's a night at a restaraunt with the family. I think everyone can sacrifice a little off of the entertainment budget for something more important. I am getting sick of hearing that "we as homeowners don't have the money" to pay for our schools because of the economy.$8 a month people! Shame on all of you! Do you think it can be possible for a lot of you to forgo shoving those double cheeseburgers down your windpipes every day and take that measely extra $8 and put it towards something worthwhile? What is wrong with people!?
Public Servant

Stow, OH

#34 Aug 23, 2008
Mr. Superintendent
This article is only one man's opinion.

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