Just say no?

There are 33 comments on the Akron Beacon Journal story from Aug 6, 2008, titled Just say no?. In it, Akron Beacon Journal reports that:

Might Stow-Munroe Falls voters have taken their displeasure too far, rejecting a 3.2-mill levy this week? After all, the district wasn't asking for much, once you consider that the owner of a $100,000 house ...

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theniter

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#1 Aug 7, 2008
Who wrote this? There is no author listed. Did the school district send this one in? Does the author live in Stow? Have children in Stow schools? and voters have passed a renewal levy and also the school board changed a renewal levy to Permenant without asking voters. Where is all the money going? They have revenue to cover $8700.00 per student why is that NOT enough? They need to take pay cuts at the adminstrative level and stop hiring new administrators at pay higher than the seasoned ones leaving all new hires lately are gettin $90,000 + per year and the average income in Stow is $54,000. Maybe they need to consider the residents of Stow-Munroe Falls. I think there should be a council of residents who oversee the adminstrative decisions especially when it comes to hiring new staff.
James Madison

United States

#2 Aug 7, 2008
To answer "the niter", the reason that there is no author listed is that this article is from the Akron Beacon Journal's editorial board. This is the newspaper's objective opinion.

In regards to the average income in Stow is $54,000. I would imagine that most individuals making that amount do not possess a masters degree, which is what an administrator must possess.

I certainly am not James Madison, but he argued that pure democracy is not a good idea. We are leaving school funding issues in the hands of individuals who are provincial in their thinking.
i2namelessinStow

Canton, OH

#3 Aug 8, 2008
theniter wrote:
Who wrote this? There is no author listed. Did the school district send this one in? Does the author live in Stow? Have children in Stow schools?
From someone who doesn't use HIS name!
No NEW monies in six years. Renewals keep status quo.
I always hear gripes about LOCAL taxes covering school costs. People say the STATE should better fund the schools. Where will that money come from? Higher state taxes!!! Do you really want to take your tax dollars, send them to Columbus, and HOPE they come back to us and not to some other school?? I'd rather keep my tax dollars right here in town, thank you.

Next the school will announce their cuts and everyone will complain about that. How dare they cut this or that!

Oil companies having record-breaking PROFITS this year and we will exercise our power on voting no to our schools like they are the problem!
Stowteacherandpa rent

Stow, OH

#4 Aug 8, 2008
I think that it comes down to this. We as homeowners are tired of footing the bill all the time. It was decided years ago that there needed to be another way to fund the schools, yet they keep coming back to the homeowners. Another thing people don't realize is that the original levy that failed in March they were asking for money for more than just education. They were going to use that levy to put astroturf on the football field and put a new concession stand at the baseball field. I love sports, but don't believe my property taxes should go up to pay for those things. That is what the athletic boosters are for. I would gladly donate to them for that purpose. After the levy failed the boosters took over the concession stand. The board never publicized that they were going to use levy money for that. After the levy failed, then all of a sudden Stow was in financial trouble. Well how could that be if they were going to have the money to put astroturf on the football field, it doesn't seem that money was very essential. I don't buy it. I am teacher in another district so I understand. I just don't think Stow is being honest with us. We need to look at other options such as a sales tax with large stores like Giant Eagle and Target, that could bring in some revenue. Stow needs to start being honest. I don't believe cuts or no cuts they will pass a levy, People as a whole are having a hard time in this economy. We need to investigate other ways to fund our schools.
Ahau Kin

Maumelle, AR

#5 Aug 8, 2008
I thought the plan was (at one time) to funnel profits from the depraved lottery (the poor man tax officially sanctioned by the state) to fund schools.

I believe some funding comes from this? Am I wrong?(I'm not certain on this.....)

Then why raise taxes at all? Why not fund the whole thing from lottery? Or don't they steal enough from the poor and the stupid this way?
i2namelessinStow

Canton, OH

#6 Aug 9, 2008
Stowteacherandparent wrote:
We need to look at other options such as a sales tax with large stores like Giant Eagle and Target, that could bring in some revenue. Stow needs to start being honest. I don't believe cuts or no cuts they will pass a levy, People as a whole are having a hard time in this economy. We need to investigate other ways to fund our schools.
District tried an income tax and voters denied that as well. Sales tax? Its still taxes. It still comes out of our pockets. Either from our wages, from our property taxes, or at the checkout line. This money still comes from us no matter how you shake it.

Stow did publicize in the last levy that some funds would be used for field turf (not astro-turf). For years the field has turned into a mud puddle by mid fall. The field is used by many sports teams. Artificial turf would keep it safe and allow the school to use it for many other functions, possible community use... even make money off it by renting it out for tourneys, etc.

Since when did the boosters become responsible for providing safe playing conditions for athletes. Since when did it become the boosters' responsibility to build facilities, like restrooms by the baseball,softball, soccer, field hockey and lacrosse fields for spectators. It shouldn't be their responsibility but they are doing it.

The school also lowered the millage in this last levy to have it cover more of the bare bones essentials.
concerned citizen

Jeffersonville, OH

#7 Aug 9, 2008
i2namelessinStow wrote:
<quoted text>District tried an income tax and voters denied that as well. Sales tax? Its still taxes. It still comes out of our pockets. Either from our wages, from our property taxes, or at the checkout line. This money still comes from us no matter how you shake it.
Stow did publicize in the last levy that some funds would be used for field turf (not astro-turf). For years the field has turned into a mud puddle by mid fall. The field is used by many sports teams. Artificial turf would keep it safe and allow the school to use it for many other functions, possible community use... even make money off it by renting it out for tourneys, etc.
Since when did the boosters become responsible for providing safe playing conditions for athletes. Since when did it become the boosters' responsibility to build facilities, like restrooms by the baseball,softball, soccer, field hockey and lacrosse fields for spectators. It shouldn't be their responsibility but they are doing it.
The school also lowered the millage in this last levy to have it cover more of the bare bones essentials.
if it rains, football should be played in the mud. who needs astro turf for kids sports? ridiculous
i2namelessinStow

Canton, OH

#8 Aug 9, 2008
concerned citizen wrote:
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if it rains, football should be played in the mud. who needs astro turf for kids sports? ridiculous
Your son breaks a leg in the mud, you sue. Mud becomes hard dirt. The grass is then gone. Hard ground becomes dangerous. There is a reason they put grass on playing fields. Games have been canceled due to the field being dangerous. And a "concerned citizen" should know that not only football is played in the stadium. There are boys V and JV soccer teams and lacrosse teams, field hockey, and freshman, JV and V football teams. The band would likely like to practice on it as well, but can't in an effort to save the field's condition. I know you are not "concerned" about the safety of the kids. You are "concerned" only about your wallet. Ridiculous.

Since: Feb 08

Akron, OH

#9 Aug 9, 2008
Stowteacherandparent wrote:
I think that it comes down to this. We as homeowners are tired of footing the bill all the time. It was decided years ago that there needed to be another way to fund the schools, yet they keep coming back to the homeowners.
I suspect one of the alternatives being looked at is more state taxes on income, so I would expect to see more money out of your pocket in the future anyways.

Since: Feb 08

Akron, OH

#10 Aug 9, 2008
Ahau Kin wrote:
I thought the plan was (at one time) to funnel profits from the depraved lottery (the poor man tax officially sanctioned by the state) to fund schools.
I believe some funding comes from this? Am I wrong?(I'm not certain on this.....)
Then why raise taxes at all? Why not fund the whole thing from lottery? Or don't they steal enough from the poor and the stupid this way?
The lottery profits do go to schools. It is not enough.
Public Servant

Stow, OH

#12 Aug 10, 2008
SOOOOoooooooooo Mr. Editor
You are not taking into consideration of spending money when there isn't the money? And so when that happens you think that others should foot the bill.

For example, SMF school district. Over half the employees there live outside the district and contribute 0 dollars in property taxes and demand raises?
Where is their loyalty?
Liz in Stow

Hudson, OH

#13 Aug 10, 2008
What a lot of you tax naysayers are forgetting is that in a socialized system of education (that means in a free, public educational system, like we have hear in the U.S.), taxes are the only way to pay for education! We all commit as citizens to contribute part of our earnings (in whatever way--sales tax, property tax, income tax) to make sure that everyone is educated through the 12th grade. If you don't want to pay for it, then perhaps we should go back to a private system? This doesn't make any sense to me, but so many people are opposed to increased taxes that I guess they don't care if this happens!
concerned citizen

Jeffersonville, OH

#14 Aug 10, 2008
i2namelessinStow wrote:
<quoted text>Your son breaks a leg in the mud, you sue. Mud becomes hard dirt. The grass is then gone. Hard ground becomes dangerous. There is a reason they put grass on playing fields. Games have been canceled due to the field being dangerous. And a "concerned citizen" should know that not only football is played in the stadium. There are boys V and JV soccer teams and lacrosse teams, field hockey, and freshman, JV and V football teams. The band would likely like to practice on it as well, but can't in an effort to save the field's condition. I know you are not "concerned" about the safety of the kids. You are "concerned" only about your wallet. Ridiculous.
let your kids play video football then. football was always dangerous and always will be.

Since: Feb 08

Akron, OH

#15 Aug 10, 2008
Public Servant wrote:
SOOOOoooooooooo Mr. Editor
You are not taking into consideration of spending money when there isn't the money? And so when that happens you think that others should foot the bill.
For example, SMF school district. Over half the employees there live outside the district and contribute 0 dollars in property taxes and demand raises?
Where is their loyalty?
When is it a requirement you live where you are employed? If they rented, they would not be directly paying property tax either. They still are paying taxes to Stow.
From stow

Akron, OH

#16 Aug 10, 2008
i2namelessinStow wrote:
<quoted text>Your son breaks a leg in the mud, you sue. Mud becomes hard dirt. The grass is then gone. Hard ground becomes dangerous. There is a reason they put grass on playing fields. Games have been canceled due to the field being dangerous. And a "concerned citizen" should know that not only football is played in the stadium. There are boys V and JV soccer teams and lacrosse teams, field hockey, and freshman, JV and V football teams. The band would likely like to practice on it as well, but can't in an effort to save the field's condition. I know you are not "concerned" about the safety of the kids. You are "concerned" only about your wallet. Ridiculous.
I have lived in stow for many years and I went to stow schools when I was younger. Yes the stadium is played on by many players but astro turff is way more dangerous than hard dirt. It is very slippery when dry and even more so when wet and before you ask yes I have had experience on both, being a former marching band member. I would walk in the mud any day over turff. The band also has there own field by the parking lot to practice on. So please if you would like to pay for all these "neccessary improvements" yourself feel free I'm sure no one will stop you. Plain and simple if its not needed then it doesnt need to be done. It's a waste of our money,and they already have pay to play and it also applies to the marching band. The athletic boosters are supposed to help with sports and a school levy is for the school to help educate our children. If you have a child in stow schools you would know that.
i2namelessinStow

Canton, OH

#17 Aug 11, 2008
From stow wrote:
<quoted text>
I have lived in stow for many years and I went to stow schools when I was younger. Yes the stadium is played on by many players but astro turff is way more dangerous than hard dirt. It is very slippery when dry and even more so when wet and before you ask yes I have had experience on both, being a former marching band member. I would walk in the mud any day over turff.
You have experience on astro turf. As I said before, the school was not looking into astroturf. The new technology is called field turf. It is thicker, grass is longer, and it is layed on top of a layer of rubber pebbles if you will. It is much safer than astro turf. And safer than a mud pit or solid dirt surface. The school has canceled, moved, postponed events due to the condition of the field. Two years ago, the boys soccer team had a good enough season to qualify to host their district championship game. Quite an honor and home field advantage. Due to field conditions Stow rented Twinsburg's field to host this "home" game. May not mean much to you, but it did those kids and the student body. BTW, that team won the state title that year. The only state title by a boys team in Stow's history. Would have stunk to have lost a game on the way because they couldn't host the game they deserved to host.
From stow wrote:
<quoted text>The athletic boosters are supposed to help with sports and a school levy is for the school to help educate our children. If you have a child in stow schools you would know that.
There is a Booster Club meeting Wednesday at SMFHS. Please come and ask the officers how much money they put into the athletic program. I am sure you will be surprised. And then tell them it is not enough. And I, too, am an alum and have kids in the schools. I think education goes on in the classroom, and in ALL of the co-curricular and extra-curricular offerings. If you have an interest in a complete education for all of our kids, you would know that.

But this whole conversation is a moot point. The school is no longer looking into this. That was slashed off the plans. Students are now also having to pay an activity fee for sports, clubs, marching band, etc. to take the burden off the tax payer. Just trying to eliminate excuses for voting no. And still, a bare bones levy failed drastically. So to use "astro turf" as your excuse just tells me you are an uniformed voter on a number of fronts.
Use Common Sense

Kent, OH

#18 Aug 12, 2008
Thank goodness those voters were smart enough to vote it done. Nice job guys.
Nancy

Collierville, TN

#19 Aug 12, 2008
Stowteacherandparent wrote:
I think that it comes down to this. We as homeowners are tired of footing the bill all the time. It was decided years ago that there needed to be another way to fund the schools, yet they keep coming back to the homeowners. Another thing people don't realize is that the original levy that failed in March they were asking for money for more than just education. They were going to use that levy to put astroturf on the football field and put a new concession stand at the baseball field. I love sports, but don't believe my property taxes should go up to pay for those things. That is what the athletic boosters are for. I would gladly donate to them for that purpose. After the levy failed the boosters took over the concession stand. The board never publicized that they were going to use levy money for that. After the levy failed, then all of a sudden Stow was in financial trouble. Well how could that be if they were going to have the money to put astroturf on the football field, it doesn't seem that money was very essential. I don't buy it. I am teacher in another district so I understand. I just don't think Stow is being honest with us. We need to look at other options such as a sales tax with large stores like Giant Eagle and Target, that could bring in some revenue. Stow needs to start being honest. I don't believe cuts or no cuts they will pass a levy, People as a whole are having a hard time in this economy. We need to investigate other ways to fund our schools.
I am a renter in Stow and I just want to point out that these levies affect renters as well as homeowners, an probably to a higher degree. Landlords raise rent based on their costs, and then they pad them some to cover the months that the rental unit may be unoccupied.

I think Stow has taken great strides in cutting their costs. We need to fund these schools or the school system will go downhill and then people will start moving out of the area to surrounding communities. Businesses will then begin closing, and jobs will be lost. Maybe the voters should think about that the next time a levy is on the ballot.
Public Servant

Stow, OH

#20 Aug 16, 2008
No money,,,,got more assistant principals tho' ,,,,,,,,,,
i2namelessinStow

Canton, OH

#21 Aug 16, 2008
Public Servant wrote:
No money,,,,got more assistant principals tho',,,,,,,,,
More?? Actually they recently cut an assistant principal's position. But don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

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