Pair charged in cemetery fraud

Pair charged in cemetery fraud

There are 107 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Jan 17, 2008, titled Pair charged in cemetery fraud. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Investigators said a New Jersey couple bought an Indianapolis company that owned several cemeteries with one goal in mind: plundering its $24 million trust fund.

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Toybox

Homosassa Springs, FL

#84 Jan 19, 2008
BigPaPa wrote:
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jeezzzz.....
You must be a relative of the thieves
FactCheck

AOL

#85 Jan 19, 2008
Neocon wrote:
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And they probably bought all of these cemeteries so that they could suppress Democratic turnout in future elections.
Like all "Neocon" statements, this one makes NO sense. Just say, "I hate all Democrats" and be done with it. We don't really care. Don't try to be clever. You're not up to it.
HUH

Indianapolis, IN

#87 Jan 19, 2008
Forest Lawn Employee wrote:
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Well if you really knew what you were talking about MR. FUNERAL DIRECTOR ... you would know that families dont even need YOU at the time of death to bury their loved ones. They can file their own death certificate with the county, obtain their own transit permits, and bury their dead while you are sitting in your office playing with yourself waiting on the next death call.
I am just curious, did you get your phone back today from the security officer?
don't you still need a funeral director to qualify the burial by state law?
The view from the east

Jeffersonville, IN

#88 Jan 19, 2008
Forest Lawn Employee wrote:
LOL Jeff ... your such an idiot.
Actually, his predictions about what would happen to the Bonnie and Clyde of the boneyard have proven quite accurate so far.
Nelms Lies

Indianapolis, IN

#89 Jan 19, 2008
The wedding was a scam wedding anyway, so they could buy Memory Gardens Management as a family unit. It was a con job from the very start, and eventually these crooks got caught. There was collusion on many levels for a buck and this will come out in the next couple of months. Just the follow the money. Stay tuned.
sealionindy wrote:
She didn't know it was not legal?(marriage)
Thats scary right there.
fishers

Florence, KY

#90 Jan 19, 2008
Former Cemetery Employee wrote:
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Actually, yes there is. Nelms was a partner with Smart in some business dealings and always referred to him as his "mentor". As this investigation now shows Nelms, was a very apt pupil.
Ahh, didn't Clayton and Robert share a girlfriend (an attorney) too?
DEAR FL employee

Indianapolis, IN

#91 Jan 19, 2008
Forest Lawn Employee wrote:
I hear there is a new third party casket store opening in the greenwood AND south indianapolis area (off of madison in the funeral hub). I am sure that you funeral directors are going to be sitting there with a lot of egg on your face when families see how you have been gouging them on the price of a casket when they see what these units sell for.
Have a nice day =)
Wow, now that is funny. A Forest Lawn employee talking about funeral directors gouging families!!!! Ha, what a joke, please don't make me start listing ALL your prices from headstones to benches to private mausoleums....cause my friend I can prove who exactly is guilty of gouging. Of course, I'm sure Robert & Debbie are wishing that gouging was the only thing they are guilty of!!!! Especially after a night in the Marion County Lockup!!!
INDYFD

Indianapolis, IN

#92 Jan 19, 2008
Chris46227 wrote:
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That is certainly a possibility as right now, most funerals are paid out of life insurance policies. However, many people prefer the peace of mind that their wishes will be met as specified by them, and not by someone else. This couple is not an example of rampant fraud in the industry. Rather, people could see they were trouble before they bought Forest Lawn. While they claim that they were "whistleblowers" on the body snatching going on in New Jersey, it happened in a funeral home that they owned for nearly a year. If they weren't aware of what was going on for that long then they had no business being funeral directors to begin with. Further, there have long been rumors that the Nelms were deeply connected with the mafia in New Jersey and it would not be surprising if there are more indictments to come on a federal level since there is involvement in Michigan as well and doubtless money laundering or other shenanigans across state lines. These were just bad actors and I feel very sorry for the folks who have loved ones at Forest Lawn and other cemeteries they own.
Actually, Robert and Debbie owned the Daniel E. George Funeral Home in Brooklyn for 18 months, all the while the thousands of deceased human beings were being sliced & diced for their personal profits. They apparently had an issue with their cut, so they went to authorities!!!!
INDYFD

Indianapolis, IN

#93 Jan 19, 2008
fishers wrote:
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Ahh, didn't Clayton and Robert share a girlfriend (an attorney) too?


Ahh, that they did, her name was Sherry Crank. She is still a partner in one of Robert's companies. I wonder how that pay check is coming along
angry

Orlando, FL

#94 Jan 20, 2008
An elderly, sick, dying man's whole life was put into the Memory Gardens, and the Nelmses ruined everything he ever worked for. And everything his sons ever worked for, and everything their ENTIRE family ever stood for... it's a sick, sad thing that happened and justice MUST prevail.
Former Cemetery Employee

Indianapolis, IN

#95 Jan 20, 2008
angry wrote:
An elderly, sick, dying man's whole life was put into the Memory Gardens, and the Nelmses ruined everything he ever worked for. And everything his sons ever worked for, and everything their ENTIRE family ever stood for... it's a sick, sad thing that happened and justice MUST prevail.
I couldn't agree with you more. As a longtime employee of Mr. Meyer, it is truly heartbreaking to see what has become of his company. MGMC was his life and I'm sure this is killing him.
I and many other longtime employees had Nelm's number pegged right off the bat. Many of us got out before being dragged too far into his web of lies. I would like to see the Meyers regain control of the company, if only to give Mr. Meyer some piece of mind but, I fear at this point the company is too far gone and tarnished to ever be what it was before.

I use to feel proud about working for MGMC but, now I only feel sadness for all the shame that the Nelms have wrought upon it. The customers and employees all deserved better treatment than what they received from the Nelms.

One can only hope that everyone involved in this despicable scheme receives the fullest extent of punishment allowed by the law.
GREEDY

Indianapolis, IN

#96 Jan 20, 2008
Former Cemetery Employee wrote:
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I couldn't agree with you more. As a longtime employee of Mr. Meyer, it is truly heartbreaking to see what has become of his company. MGMC was his life and I'm sure this is killing him.
I and many other longtime employees had Nelm's number pegged right off the bat. Many of us got out before being dragged too far into his web of lies. I would like to see the Meyers regain control of the company, if only to give Mr. Meyer some piece of mind but, I fear at this point the company is too far gone and tarnished to ever be what it was before.
I use to feel proud about working for MGMC but, now I only feel sadness for all the shame that the Nelms have wrought upon it. The customers and employees all deserved better treatment than what they received from the Nelms.
One can only hope that everyone involved in this despicable scheme receives the fullest extent of punishment allowed by the law.
Well, as a previous posted stated, maybe the Meyer family should of researched who exactlly they were selling their family operation to, instead of waiting for 3 years to look into them!!!$$$$$
zionsville indiana

Florence, KY

#97 Jan 20, 2008
Sergio wrote:
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Preneed law in Indiana is wonderful for the consumer. Funeral homes have to guarantee goods and services selected by the consumer. If the trust did not earn enough to keep up with the inflating cost of the services/merchandise, it is of no consequence to the consumer. The only items that Indiana does not require a funeral home to guarantee are cash advance items, also known as non-funeral home charges. Indeed, if you suggest the gamble of putting money aside in an account hoping that it earns enough interest to offset the inflating costs of funeral, well good luck to you. And by the way, any prepaid funeral can be transfered to any funeral home in the country.
Sergio, you must be in the funeral home business; in fact, maybe with one of those funeral homes/cemeteries that pretend to care about the families, when in reality you're only trying to make a sale. I hope people will learn from this and realize that prepaid funerals are not the way to go. Too many people have been ripped off and will continue to be ripped off. I will take my chances with a bank rather than a crooked funeral home.
fishers

Florence, KY

#98 Jan 20, 2008
INDYFD wrote:
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Ahh, that they did, her name was Sherry Crank. She is still a partner in one of Robert's companies. I wonder how that pay check is coming along
Well, how lonely Sherry must be since both Clayton and Robert are behind bars. But, then, who knows...maybe she will be joining them. In fact, maybe she and Debora could share a cell.
Forest Lawn Employee

Ft Mitchell, KY

#99 Jan 20, 2008
DEAR FL employee wrote:
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Wow, now that is funny. A Forest Lawn employee talking about funeral directors gouging families!!!! Ha, what a joke, please don't make me start listing ALL your prices from headstones to benches to private mausoleums....cause my friend I can prove who exactly is guilty of gouging. Of course, I'm sure Robert & Debbie are wishing that gouging was the only thing they are guilty of!!!! Especially after a night in the Marion County Lockup!!!
GOUGING?!?!? Now lets make no mistake, I am NOT by any means a fan of Roberts. But when you lay all GPL's of all funeral homes side by side in a cost comparison, you will find that Forest Lawn is NOT the most expensive funeral home in the Greenwood and South Johnson County Area. Two other older established firms in this marketplace are more expensive than that of Forest Lawn. If we are going to start throwing darts at Forest Lawn, then lets compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Could this be why Forest Lawn was by far hands down the powerhouse preneed machine that it has been for so many years - even before the Nelms family?

Do your homework and a complete cost comparison before you come back to this blog and start spewing more of your uneducated garbage. I already have, it is one of the things I do for a living with this firm.
TonyDungy

Redwood City, CA

#100 Jan 20, 2008
Did the chargers win today?
BillClinton

Redwood City, CA

#101 Jan 20, 2008
Where are the interns?
Realist

Marblehead, MA

#102 Jan 20, 2008
Forest Lawn Employee wrote:
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GOUGING?!?!? Now lets make no mistake, I am NOT by any means a fan of Roberts. But when you lay all GPL's of all funeral homes side by side in a cost comparison, you will find that Forest Lawn is NOT the most expensive funeral home in the Greenwood and South Johnson County Area. Two other older established firms in this marketplace are more expensive than that of Forest Lawn. If we are going to start throwing darts at Forest Lawn, then lets compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Could this be why Forest Lawn was by far hands down the powerhouse preneed machine that it has been for so many years - even before the Nelms family?
Do your homework and a complete cost comparison before you come back to this blog and start spewing more of your uneducated garbage. I already have, it is one of the things I do for a living with this firm.
Of course, where the intent is to divert funds for personal use and not to provide services, undercutting the competition is generally not a problem.
Former Cemetery Employee

Indianapolis, IN

#103 Jan 20, 2008
GREEDY wrote:
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Well, as a previous posted stated, maybe the Meyer family should of researched who exactlly they were selling their family operation to, instead of waiting for 3 years to look into them!!!$$$$$
You are correct. Unfortunately, only one member of the Meyer family was actively pursuing the sale of the company..Jim Meyer. The father and other brother, Tom did not want to sell. The blame for this whole mess falls upon Jim's shoulders. The Nelms may have been the ones to break the law but, Jim Meyer's blind rush to sell the company is what allowed it to happen.
Greedy

Clarksburg, IN

#104 Jan 21, 2008
So, what was Jim's extra cut....I wonder.

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