Do not judge

Michigantown, IN

#21 Feb 16, 2013
Confused wrote:
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Revenue is earned in more forms than county payroll. Faculty and students will need breakfast, lunch, dinner, fuel, supplies etc. So many of these forum comments are not constructive and lack vision. Hateful, mean, personal attacks are not effective and makes good comments lack credibility. Keep it honest and fair not personal!
What was unfair or dishonest about the post?

I read it to say that there are tax abatement s given to a company that wasnt deserving in the poster's view.

Should Readers assume you think the company mentioned deserved it?

You mentioned in another post about calculated risk. A potential 2 million dollar potential increase makes one wonder how much calculation was done.

I like reading this forum because there are great things put out there that helps gain greater understandings of the different issues that exists in the world. Don't assume that me or the other readers and posters aren't being honest, fair, or being personal in our thought.

Mr. Or Mrs. McCoy have a valid point. I, too, researched the Muncie response after reading the Muncie paper's article. The Chamber backs the lack of economic increase. Our own mayor says that the police are lacking the proper equipment to perform their jobs. The potential of absorbing additional expense is nauseating to me.

On the flip side of that, cutting trash pick up and number of bags will start helping with the budget. But how does having two management positions at the park? How does not having a new business getting some temporary help on their taxes make sense? There is a guaranteed return on investment.

Don't label me as a hater. Label me as a person who wants to see the city gain jobs, have fully equipped law enforcement, and a good post high school education. But not at the expense of robbing Peter to pay Paul
Richard McCoy Jr

Indianapolis, IN

#22 Feb 16, 2013
Looking Up wrote:
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Mr McCoy (from Indy)
Thank you for a respectful reply. I researched the Muncie Ivy Tech location as well and found multiple positive comments as well as some negative. I wonder if your research above only focused on business or the community as a whole? I can see a positive impact on a more educated community. Also, it is my understanding Clinton County will draw from Tipton and surrounding communities as well as our own.
I don't have a problem with fuel consumption going down and I think this could also mean we will purchase more fuel in our community than Lafayette now?
I realize there are two sides to every coin. Ivy Tech is a risk but a measured one. Frankfort needs to focus on growth in manufacturing, service, retail, and education. Most of our community leaders are good. Let's focus on the majority and not the minority and grow this community one step at a time.
Continued from Muncie Star Press -

Ivy Tech regional chancellor Gail Chesterfield noted that Ivy Tech students "are primarily commuter students," and acknowledged that as such they might not spend many hours and many dollars downtown.

"I will be real surprised if business owners say they've seen a significant increase," Chesterfield said.

Lisa Pritchett, owner of dandelions, a flower and gift shop downtown, said she hasn't seen a rush of Ivy Tech students in her store.

"Students come to the Patterson Building and do what they have to do and they're out of there," she said.

As noted by Chancellor Chesterfield, Ivy Tech students are commuter students and as such a student coming from Tipton for a class in Frankfort will complete the class and return ("they're out of there").

Economic impact on downtown and surrounding businesses is speculative at best.

Residents of Clinton County seek outside providers for shopping, entertainment, social activities due to lack of selections here in our community.

I have spoken to current Ivy Tech students who have said it is nice to an option for classes here, but they already go to Lafayette for one of the above options as well as classes.

Regrading an educated community, I have yet to see a company state how many class hours they will utilize. I have read of the donations that are to be made, but not utilization.

With the closure of Mallory, the company and state provided retraining monies for displaced employees. Most often, sadly, this is when you see workers receiving formal education training.
Looking Up

Frankfort, IN

#23 Feb 16, 2013
I understand your concerns. So if you could propose a growth plan for our community what would it be?

I am interested in your ideas for betterment more than your criticism of others. When this site focuses in solutions it will be valued.
Looking Up

Frankfort, IN

#24 Feb 16, 2013
Do not Judge,
I am confused as to who got abatements that the viewer did not think deserved? I never saw a business by that name that received abatements in the courthouse records.

I think the grocery store should have received abatements. I think any business that is investing in the community to add jobs or revenue or building should be supported. Why should only large factories get abatements?

Mr McCoy has valid points. Any of us can Google both sides of the debate as to whether Ivy Tech will help a community.

You don't think so, but I do. But let us keep this forum on the constructive side and not personal was my point.

Thank you for our opinion!
Confused

Frankfort, IN

#25 Feb 16, 2013
Why are so many non-Frankfort individuals getting involved in Frankfort topic? Your community is missing out in your valuable input.
Do not judge

Michigantown, IN

#26 Feb 17, 2013
Looking Up wrote:
Do not Judge,
I am confused as to who got abatements that the viewer did not think deserved? I never saw a business by that name that received abatements in the courthouse records.
I think the grocery store should have received abatements. I think any business that is investing in the community to add jobs or revenue or building should be supported. Why should only large factories get abatements?
Mr McCoy has valid points. Any of us can Google both sides of the debate as to whether Ivy Tech will help a community.
You don't think so, but I do. But let us keep this forum on the constructive side and not personal was my point.
Thank you for our opinion!
What are you referring to when you say "you don't think so"? I thought personal opinions about business and political decisions was acceptable here. I didn't know I had to meet your criteria to post.

Also somewhere on here it mentioned about an accountant and a trucking company getting an tax abatement. GIS confirms that Dahmons or however you spell it got a chunk of money. Perhaps you might look again.
Looking Up

Frankfort, IN

#27 Feb 17, 2013
Assuming that is correct, more power to them. They probably got a reduction in taxes over a period of time provided they met certain stipulations instead of a chunk of money.

What are your ideas in improving our community?
Do not judge

Michigantown, IN

#28 Feb 17, 2013
This particular post deals with Ivy Tech and tax abatement s. it does not talk about development of the community.

I respect the original persons starting of this discussion and will not steer it into something else. That's what people do when they don't want more facts being put out into the public about a specific subject.

Or have a post removed...
confused

Chicago, IL

#29 Feb 17, 2013
Doesn't Ivy Tech and tax abatement have everything to do with "DEVELOPEMENT OF THE COMMUNITY"???
Do not judge

Michigantown, IN

#30 Feb 18, 2013
confused wrote:
Doesn't Ivy Tech and tax abatement have everything to do with "DEVELOPEMENT OF THE COMMUNITY"???
The poster asked how to improve the community. That's another topic. This is strictly about Ivy Tech and tax abutments. Staying on task here.
Avoiding the Subject

Carmel, IN

#31 Feb 18, 2013
Actually, its sounds like you don't have any ideas yourself and you find it easier to blast the people who are trying to make our community better.

My guess, you got bet in a political election or don't have the nerve to run.
Just saying

Carmel, IN

#32 Feb 18, 2013
Do not judge:
If you want to get technical, there is a forum aptly named "No tax break for grocery store."

These forums ramble from topic to topic so it sounds like Looking Up was actually making a point that you obviously have not a clue how to answer.
never right

Goshen, IN

#33 Feb 18, 2013
The post on here are only throwng out part of the story or the facts. Everyone gives only information that helps forward there beliefs. The truth about if IVY will be good for the community will not be known until it is realized and part of the community. If IVY is so bad then why is it one of the fastest growing collages and why is it being supported by all our local industry. According to them they see a more educated work force to draw from which will keep them located here in clinton county.It will keep our youth thinkig about returning here to raise a family. There are alot more beneifits. The way I see it is this, you can dwell on all the negetives and posible ways this could fail or you can help try to bring something into our community that could be a new beginning and a positive for Frankfort. Here is the question, do you ACT or do we just ty to get by. How has just getting by worked for the city in the past few years.
old man

United States

#34 Feb 18, 2013
if ivy is so good then why doesnt ivy invest some of their money into it? it just does not help frankfort that much. the money that the taxpayer has to pay has just doubled from 2.1 to 4.1.and will we ever see a break even number? yes i know everybody thinks it will be great to have ivy here,but at what cost?
getitright

Frankfort, IN

#35 Feb 18, 2013
The problem is that all we get in the media is the positive factors but to be truly successful we also have to look at the negative items so as to build from those also. Not everything here in Frankfort is as rosie colored as it is put in the press. You are right there are two sides to a coin so lets look at both sides before making good business decisions.

And taking risks lets not forget the "Live on 65 " risk. What did that cost us taxpayers? Don't think we have ever got a honest answer.
Richard McCoy Jr wrote:
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Keeping it honest...
Downtown Muncie reported no economic gain for downtown businesses when Ivy Tech opened its branch. "But by many accounts, downtown businesses never saw a boom because of Ivy Tech students." - Muncie Star Press
Fuel - Using the thought students will not have to travel to Lafayette for classes, there will be less fuel consumed. Thus less state tax revenue collected which is returned back to the county and allocated to the respective taxing entities.
Supplies - Sure more paper, pens and highlighters might be purchased from Walmart.
Keeping it honest, fair and not personal...
Do not judge

Michigantown, IN

#36 Feb 18, 2013
Avoiding the Subject wrote:
Actually, its sounds like you don't have any ideas yourself and you find it easier to blast the people who are trying to make our community better.
My guess, you got bet in a political election or don't have the nerve to run.
No election for me. Out town is already fixed for who will win.

Plenty of ideas. Just staying on task with this particular topic. Sorry that offends you.

If you're desirous of running, then do it. If your desirous of asking about better ideas, then start another thread.

There is already enough off topic rambling here. I do not want to feed the flames.
Do not judge

Michigantown, IN

#37 Feb 18, 2013
Just saying wrote:
Do not judge:
If you want to get technical, there is a forum aptly named "No tax break for grocery store."
These forums ramble from topic to topic so it sounds like Looking Up was actually making a point that you obviously have not a clue how to answer.
Thanks for the insult. That's why is does no good to post on here because people want to give you hate for it if they disagree.

Your response proves that point perfectly.
Do not judge

Michigantown, IN

#38 Feb 18, 2013
Avoiding the Subject wrote:
Actually, its sounds like you don't have any ideas yourself and you find it easier to blast the people who are trying to make our community better.
My guess, you got bet in a political election or don't have the nerve to run.
Go back and read the first post.
right on

Goshen, IN

#39 Feb 19, 2013
never right is right on!!!!!!!!
right on

Goshen, IN

#40 Feb 19, 2013
getitright wrote:
The problem is that all we get in the media is the positive factors but to be truly successful we also have to look at the negative items so as to build from those also. Not everything here in Frankfort is as rosie colored as it is put in the press. You are right there are two sides to a coin so lets look at both sides before making good business decisions.
And taking risks lets not forget the "Live on 65 " risk. What did that cost us taxpayers? Don't think we have ever got a honest answer.
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if we followed your principles we would move no where, sounds like a good recipe for stalemate. All success comes from failure or trial and error. You must act, take some course of action. We can all get in a big room and argue wether this will succeed or fail, for everyone who sees success another person will see how it will fail ! This town has made no effort to expand and look at being proactive. So you that want to see failure in IVY please tell me what this city should do!!! Never do you act, you only sit back and criticize, never a course of action. Never get involved, never anything but negetive. The mayor and this administration is trying to move this city foward. Maybe it will fall short of their expectations, maybe it could be great of this community, one thing for sure, there is never going to be a sure thing, no way of knowing what the future will bring. I vote for the possibilities!

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