Is subjecting an apprehended terroris...

Is subjecting an apprehended terrorist suspect to judicial torture ethical?

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“Flying Spaghetti Monster”

Since: Nov 11

Stone County, Arkansas

#1 Jan 23, 2013
Do we have a right as a nation to subject individuals, taken into custody for possible acts of terrorism, to judicial torture?

Would resorting to acts of torture not be in violation of the international Helsinki Accords?

If the timely information retrieved from the suspect ultimately proved important in saving the lives of potential victims would the torture be justified?

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#2 Jan 23, 2013
that is one heck of a slippery slope, but it leaves our troops open to torture if the are captured and is not in the greater inerest of United States it gives our enemies more reasons to hate us I thnk it is wrong
ifey

Mountain View, AR

#3 Jan 24, 2013
You're right. Our enemies might torture our boys, right before they cut their heads off, or drag their bodies through the streets, or hang them from bridges, or sodomize them with objects. Oh wait, they already do that, don't they. I say screw it. pin their nuts to a dart board and let everyone have a toss. P.S. in case you haven't noticed, THEY ALREADY HATE OUR GUTS. What would appeasement accomplish.

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#4 Jan 24, 2013
yes do you have any idea why they hate us, could it be decades of supporting governments that torture and suppress thier own citizens just becuase they were anti communist or had oil, look at Iran as an example we brought the shah into power so the british could exploit thier oil and we could use there northern border to fight communism, the shah then supressed religious freedoms to maintain his rule until they finally y over through him and then they blamed the United States for putting him in power. The result of all this is a radical government that suppresses its citizens to stay in power and hates us when the majority of it citizens wish we would come back add missiles and nucs with religious nuts and basicly we will have ended up killing ourselves with our own greedy diplomacy that started in the 1950's. This is just one example . I consider myself a proud American and I am a Veteran so don't question my loyalty to Our Nation just open your mind to the Truth.
ifey

Mountain View, AR

#5 Jan 24, 2013
I to am a veteran, and I studied history. I don't need a lcture. You are correct, we have been on the wrong side of diplomacy for a long time, and have worked for our own greedy purpose in every case, However, whether we torture their people or not, it will not make a bit of difference. Don't be so nieve as to believe that if we like them, they will like us. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. This is a religious war, always has been and the sooner we admit it, the better off we'll be. Do unto them Before, they do unto you.

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#6 Jan 24, 2013
It is pretty clear that we disagree on the torture of people so what happens in the fog of is hard enough to control when soldgiers have to participate in things like this it has consistantly led to larger human rights abuses review your history. Also you need to remember thier are several sects of muslims the biggest being Sunni and the majority of the Sunni's are pro US and Turkey has been a friend and Nato member since the early 1950's. If you must torture terrorist at least keep our military out of it. I personaly will never condone physical torture and believe there are better options out there and do you understand that three Abramic religions Judaism,Chritians,and Muslims all worship the same God and killing in Gods name is not will of God but will of man in search of power.

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#7 Jan 24, 2013
Abrahamic
Hates back stabbers

Mountain View, AR

#8 Jan 24, 2013
Open up the arsinal.Long distace the next best thing to being there.
Hates back stabbers

Mountain View, AR

#9 Jan 24, 2013
A four foot ength of garden hose does wonders.

“Flying Spaghetti Monster”

Since: Nov 11

Stone County, Arkansas

#10 Jan 24, 2013
ifey wrote:
You're right. Our enemies might torture our boys, right before they cut their heads off, or drag their bodies through the streets, or hang them from bridges, or sodomize them with objects. Oh wait, they already do that, don't they. I say screw it. pin their nuts to a dart board and let everyone have a toss. P.S. in case you haven't noticed, THEY ALREADY HATE OUR GUTS. What would appeasement accomplish.
What if the apprehended suspect was discovered to actually be innocent of the accusations? What then?
Should we go ahead and let the world know we know longer abide by the Helsinki Accords?

“Flying Spaghetti Monster”

Since: Nov 11

Stone County, Arkansas

#11 Jan 24, 2013
ifey wrote:
This is a religious war, always has been and the sooner we admit it, the better off we'll be. Do unto them Before, they do unto you.
If this truly is a religious war where the two Abrahamic faiths of Islam and Christianity are violently juxtaposed to one another then perhaps the elimination of religion itself is the ultimate answer to this scourge of hatred. The fact that each religion is intolerant of the other removes any possibility of peaceful co-existence. The contest between our religions is zero-sum. It is only secular knowledge and secular interests that restrain the most lethal improprieties of faith. If religious war is ever to become unthinkable, as slavery and cannibalism, it will be a matter of dispensing with the dogma of faith.

“Flying Spaghetti Monster”

Since: Nov 11

Stone County, Arkansas

#12 Jan 24, 2013
Hates back stabbers wrote:
Open up the arsinal.Long distace the next best thing to being there.
Should the use of hi-tech cruise missiles also be considered a form of torture? Is not "collateral damage" a form of inadvertent torture? Innocent men, women, and children are blinded, disemboweled, paralyzed, and killed by the stray forces of a bomb. So I suppose if we are willing to act in a manner that guarantees the misery and death of considerable numbers of innocent children then there is no need to spare the rod w/ a suspected terrorist.
Should we also abduct the nearest and dearest of our suspected enemies -wives, mothers, daughters- and torture them as well, assuming profit might come to our side? Where do you draw the line?
ifey

Mountain View, AR

#13 Jan 25, 2013
Bra utan Gud wrote:
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If this truly is a religious war where the two Abrahamic faiths of Islam and Christianity are violently juxtaposed to one another then perhaps the elimination of religion itself is the ultimate answer to this scourge of hatred. The fact that each religion is intolerant of the other removes any possibility of peaceful co-existence. The contest between our religions is zero-sum. It is only secular knowledge and secular interests that restrain the most lethal improprieties of faith. If religious war is ever to become unthinkable, as slavery and cannibalism, it will be a matter of dispensing with the dogma of faith.
Gosh that is Soooo Deeep. Tell you what, I wll buy you a plane ticket, pay all your expenses just to see you go to Bagdad, Tripoli or any other Muslim Country and stand on the main square and tell them that you are going to GET RID OF THEIR RELIGION. I won't be buying you a round trip ticket though cause you aint gonna need it. I thought we were talking about the REAL world, not some FAIRY TALE LA LA Land you live in.

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#14 Jan 25, 2013
I believe he was trying to say that less than scruppuless religious leaders have been killing people in gods name so they can have personal power since the begining of religon.
ifey

Mountain View, AR

#15 Jan 25, 2013
And your point is???? That is how it is. You can't change relgious fanatics. They've been doing it since time began. You can only deal with them BEFORE they deal with you. If you think otherwise, I feel sorry for you.

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#16 Jan 25, 2013
or you could reach out to thier followers and try a peacful solution, before they commit acts of violence speak softly but carry a big stick. what I am saying is what we have been doing just leads to more war and it is a cycle we need to break we will never meet our true potential as a human race if we cannot ween ourselves from violence and war.
ifey

Mountain View, AR

#17 Jan 25, 2013
Sorry, but I never adhered to the Turn the Other Cheek crap, cause I know you're just gonna hit me on the other side while I'm not looking. You hit me, or threaten me and I'm gonna smoke your butt. Then I know you won't do it again. I may have to fight all your kinfolks, but I can live with that, you won't be there.

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#18 Jan 25, 2013
we disagree on this but far to many of Americas young people have been killed or scarred by war there has to be a better way.
Hates back stabbers

Mountain View, AR

#19 Jan 25, 2013
Bra utan Gud wrote:
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Should the use of hi-tech cruise missiles also be considered a form of torture? Is not "collateral damage" a form of inadvertent torture? Innocent men, women, and children are blinded, disemboweled, paralyzed, and killed by the stray forces of a bomb. So I suppose if we are willing to act in a manner that guarantees the misery and death of considerable numbers of innocent children then there is no need to spare the rod w/ a suspected terrorist.
Should we also abduct the nearest and dearest of our suspected enemies -wives, mothers, daughters- and torture them as well, assuming profit might come to our side? Where do you draw the line?
The only way to fight a terrorist is to fight dirtyer than him.If he he kills one of our people kill10 of his.Wake up people we need to fight terrorism every way we can regardless of how dirty we have to fight.

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#20 Jan 25, 2013
Hates back stabbers wrote:
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The only way to fight a terrorist is to fight dirtyer than him.If he he kills one of our people kill10 of his.Wake up people we need to fight terrorism every way we can regardless of how dirty we have to fight.
and as fight this way we just make more terorist if we quit suppoting other foriegn leaders who abuse thier citizens rights would be a large step in the right direction

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