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whatashame

Mountain View, AR

#1 Sep 17, 2012
So, on a highly symbolic date, mobs storm American diplomatic facilities and drag the corpse of a U.S. ambassador through the streets. Then the president flies to Vegas for a fundraiser. No, no, a novelist would say; that’s too pat, too neat in its symbolic contrast. Make it Cleveland, or Des Moines.
The president is surrounded by delirious fanbois and fangurls screaming “We love you,” too drunk on his celebrity to understand this is the first photo-op in the aftermath of a national humiliation. No, no, a filmmaker would say; too crass, too blunt. Make them sober, middle-aged midwesterners, shocked at first, but then quiet and respectful.
The president is too lazy and cocksure to have learned any prepared remarks or mastered the appropriate tone, notwithstanding that a government that spends more money than any government in the history of the planet has ever spent can surely provide him with both a speechwriting team and a quiet corner on his private wide-bodied jet to consider what might be fitting for the occasion. So instead he sloughs off the words, bloodless and unfelt:“And obviously our hearts are broken ...” Yeah, it’s totally obvious.
And he’s even more drunk on his celebrity than the fanbois, so in his slapdashery he winds up comparing the sacrifice of a diplomat lynched by a pack of savages with the enthusiasm of his own campaign bobbysoxers. No, no, says the Broadway director; that’s too crude, too ham-fisted. How about the crowd is cheering and distracted, but he’s the president, he understands the gravity of the hour, and he’s the greatest orator of his generation, so he’s thought about what he’s going to say, and it takes a few moments but his words are so moving that they still the cheers of the fanbois, and at the end there’s complete silence and a few muffled sobs, and even in party-town they understand the sacrifice and loss of their compatriots on the other side of the world.
But no, that would be an utterly fantastical America. In the real America, the president is too busy to attend the security briefing on the morning after a national debacle, but he does have time to do Letterman and appear on a hip-hop radio show hosted by “The Pimp with a Limp.” In the real State Department, the U.S. embassy in Cairo is guarded by Marines with no ammunition, but they do enjoy the soft-power muscle of a Foreign Service officer, one Lloyd Schwartz, tweeting frenziedly into cyberspace (including a whole chain directed at my own Twitter handle, for some reason) about how America deplores insensitive people who are so insensitively insensitive that they don’t respectfully respect all religions equally respectfully and sensitively, even as the raging mob is pouring through the gates.
whatashame

Mountain View, AR

#2 Sep 17, 2012
Disgrace in Benghazi Part 2
When it comes to a flailing, blundering superpower, I am generally wary of ascribing to malevolence what is more often sheer stupidity and incompetence. For example, we’re told that, because the consulate in Benghazi was designated as an “interim facility,” it did not warrant the level of security and protection that, say, an embassy in Scandinavia would have. This seems all too plausible — that security decisions are made not by individual human judgment but according to whichever rule-book sub-clause at the Federal Agency of Bureaucratic Facilities Regulation it happens to fall under. However, the very next day the embassy in Yemen, which is a permanent facility, was also overrun, as was the embassy in Tunisia the day after. Look, these are tough crowds, as the president might say at Caesar’s Palace. But we spend more money on these joints than anybody else, and they’re as easy to overrun as the Belgian consulate.
As I say, I’m inclined to be generous, and put some of this down to the natural torpor and ineptitude of government. But Hillary Clinton and General Martin Dempsey are guilty of something worse, in the secretary of state’s weirdly obsessive remarks about an obscure film supposedly disrespectful of Mohammed and the chairman of the joint chiefs’ telephone call to a private citizen asking him if he could please ease up on the old Islamophobia.
Forget the free-speech arguments. In this case, as Secretary Clinton and General Dempsey well know, the film has even less to do with anything than did the Danish cartoons or the schoolteacher’s teddy bear or any of the other innumerable grievances of Islam. The 400-strong assault force in Benghazi showed up with RPGs and mortars: That’s not a spontaneous movie protest; that’s an act of war, and better planned and executed than the dying superpower’s response to it. Secretary Clinton and General Dempsey are, to put it mildly, misleading the American people when they suggest otherwise.
One can understand why they might do this, given the fiasco in Libya. The men who organized this attack knew the ambassador would be at the consulate in Benghazi rather than at the embassy in Tripoli. How did that happen? They knew when he had been moved from the consulate to a “safe house,” and switched their attentions accordingly. How did that happen? The United States government lost track of its ambassador for ten hours. How did that happen? Perhaps, when they’ve investigated Mitt Romney’s press release for another three or four weeks, the court eunuchs of the American media might like to look into some of these fascinating questions, instead of leaving the only interesting reporting on an American story to the foreign press.
whatashame

Mountain View, AR

#3 Sep 17, 2012
Disgrace in Benghazi Part 3

For whatever reason, Secretary Clinton chose to double down on misleading the American people.“Libyans carried Chris’s body to the hospital,” said Mrs. Clinton. That’s one way of putting it. The photographs at the Arab TV network al-Mayadeen show Chris Stevens’s body being dragged through the streets, while the locals take souvenir photographs on their cell phones. A man in a red striped shirt photographs the dead-eyed ambassador from above; another immediately behind his head moves the splayed arm and holds his cell-phone camera an inch from the ambassador’s nose. Some years ago, I had occasion to assist in moving the body of a dead man: We did not stop to take photographs en route. Even allowing for cultural differences, this looks less like “carrying Chris’s body to the hospital” and more like barbarians gleefully feasting on the spoils of savagery.
In a rare appearance on a non-showbiz outlet, President Obama, winging it on Telemundo, told his host that Egypt was neither an ally nor an enemy. I can understand why it can be difficult to figure out, but here’s an easy way to tell: Bernard Lewis, the great scholar of Islam, said some years ago that America risked being seen as harmless as an enemy and treacherous as a friend. At the Benghazi consulate, the looters stole “sensitive” papers revealing the names of Libyans who’ve cooperated with the United States. Oh, well. As the president would say, obviously our hearts are with you.
Meanwhile, in Pakistan, the local doctor who fingered bin Laden to the Americans sits in jail. In other words, while America’s clod vice president staggers around pimping limply that only Obama had the guts to take the toughest decision anyone’s ever had to take, the poor schlub who actually did have the guts, who actually took the tough decision in a part of the world where taking tough decisions can get you killed, languishes in a cell because Washington would not lift a finger to help him.
Like I said, no novelist would contrast Chris Stevens on the streets of Benghazi and Barack Obama on stage in Vegas. Too crude, too telling, too devastating.
— Mark Steyn, a National Review columnist, is the author of After America: Get Ready for Armageddon.© 2012 Mark Steyn
fed up

Mountain View, AR

#4 Sep 17, 2012
These people make America look like a weak nation ! Take back our country in November.

Since: May 12

Mountain View, AR

#5 Sep 17, 2012
CAIRO — Libyans tried to rescue Ambassador Chris Stevens, cheering "God is great" and rushing him to a hospital after they discovered him still clinging to life inside the U.S. Consulate, according to witnesses and a new video that emerged Monday from last week's attack in the city of Benghazi.

The official record goes pretty much totally against your anti Obama position. So is the press lying?
Fried Horse

Mountain View, AR

#6 Sep 17, 2012
Couldn't you have just posted a link to this drivel.

Mark Steyn is just an alarmist shill, and a Right wing propagandist. His black and white conclusions are driven by trying to make his point, rather than any precept of actual journalism.

*First, there were no Marine guards at the safe house, where the Ambassador was attacked. This was supposed to be a secret location. A contingent of Marines might have given that away.

"It has also been revealed that the Benghazi consulate was not protected by the contingent of Marines that usually safeguard embassies and instead was guarded by Libyan and State Department security officers."
(Daily Mail - U.K.)

*Second of all, the Marines guarding the facility in Egypt were not restricted from carrying live ammunition. That was a false report.

"Further Marine spokesman at Pentagon Lt Col Chris Hughes says these reports are NOT true. This is on the record:'The Ambassador and RSO have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. No restrictions on weapons or weapons status have been imposed. This information comes from the Det Commander at AMEMB Cairo.'”
(Fox News.)

*Thirdly, Mr. Steyn tries to draw some kind of conclusion that President Obama was more concerned about fundraising than the life of an American Ambassador. That's absurd. Steps were immediately taken, by the president, to take control of the situation, and find the perpetrators.

"In response to the attacks, the U.S. has launched a major military manhunt to find the terrorists responsible, announcing they are sending warships to the coast of Libya in an apparent terrorist hunt, and American drone aircraft are also expected to join the search for potential targets."
(Daily Mail - U.K.)

*Fourth. Mr. Steyn seems to imply that if President Obama had attended daily security briefings, that he could have somehow stopped these attacks.

Former President George W. Bush attended lots of security briefings, yet somehow missed the most heinous terrorist attack in U.S. history, and at the same time managed to find WMD's that never existed. It seems that President Bush could have spent a little less time in security briefings.

Suggesting that somehow President Obama is responsible for these attacks, because he missed some security briefings, strains logic.

*Finally. The video that Mr. Steyn claims to show Libyans dragging the Ambassador's body through the streets chanting "God is great," is misleading. The Ambassador showed up at a Libyan hospital, brought there by Libyans. Does that sound like they were burning his body in effigy? I think not.

"Dr Ziad Abu Zeid, said Mr Stevens was brought to the Benghazi Medical Center by Libyans on Tuesday night with no other Americans, and that initially no one realized he was the ambassador. The doctor tried for 90 minutes to revive him."
(Daily Mail - U.K.)

Mr. Steyn is simply using this attack by terrorists to fan the flames of hatred against all of Islam. He seeks to further his own personal agenda, which is to sell his literature and his ideas to a group of radical Right wing believers. He would also use this event to fan the flames of hatred for our first black president.

It's propaganda plain and simple. What would Mr. Steyn have President Obama do? Declare war? On who? Iran, maybe? There is a lot of oil, in Iran. You have to wonder who people like Mr. Steyn really work for?
Yikes

Malvern, AR

#7 Sep 17, 2012
hillhippy wrote:
So is the press lying?
Of course you know the pro-Obama press NEVER lies :)
fed up

Mountain View, AR

#8 Sep 17, 2012
Yikes wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you know the pro-Obama press NEVER lies :)
Of course they don't lie, or cover up or leave out the facts. It has nothing to do with hate, our foreign policy is imploding all around us and it is so sad so many of you are blind to what is really going on with this president and our country. Obama is out to de-stabilize America and he has a good start thanks to all of you who are clueless to who he really is, really??? so many executive orders, bypassing all our government, not standing with Isreal ?? really...killing our ambassadors??? when they attack an American Emabassy it is a direct attack on America. What the he?? is wrong with you people ?? Obama goes to Vegas, meets with Beyonce, will talk with the Muslim Brotherhood, but cannot attend a security breifing ?? Really. WHY DON"T WE JUST SEND HIM ON ANOTHER GOLF OUTING ???? You people are incredibly stupid !!!!
WTF

Mountain View, AR

#9 Sep 17, 2012
If the president is not attending security breifings after a threat to this country is known, then who is minding the store????

Here is Obamas plan:

the USA will have the healthiest, same sex married, illegal alien, unemployed people on the planet.
Goober

Euless, TX

#10 Sep 17, 2012
Y'all all have the option to GTFO or do something about it. But I'm glad you do fell strong about this and we should get there dumb A$$ out of office not one but every damn one in Washington!
Goober

Euless, TX

#11 Sep 17, 2012
Goober wrote:
Y'all all have the option to GTFO or do something about it. But I'm glad you do fell strong about this and we should get there dumb A$$ out of office not one but every damn one in Washington!
Busted my self
Feel not fell
I do apologize!

“Flying Spaghetti Monster”

Since: Nov 11

Stone County

#12 Sep 18, 2012
It's a shame there's not a limit on "cut and paste" size.
The Libyan people loved the ambassador and most were very upset about his death.
"Whatashame", you need to backtrack on your vitriol a little.
Fried Horse

Mountain View, AR

#13 Sep 18, 2012
Bra, what I think we are witnessing is the death throes of the Republican party. They will seemingly say ANYTHING against the president, in order to get rid of him. President Obama is gaining support, as we approach the election. The Right is obviously reacting badly to this. They have accused him of being or doing just about anything you can think of, at one point or another. Communist? Socialist? Muslim extremist? Gay? Racist? A foreigner? It's become laughable, the lengths that they will go to.

Since: May 12

Mountain View, AR

#14 Sep 18, 2012
I agree Fried Horse, the righties here have no compunction about making up lies or coping and pasting other peoples lies just to try and stir up trouble and to alter reality to make it fit their belief system. Certainly don't confuse the right wingers with the facts, their minds are already made up and the media and everybody else is wrong.
Just Sayin

Mountain View, AR

#15 Sep 18, 2012
Listen H why don't you go get a job and pay some taxes for a change.
Fried Horse

Mountain View, AR

#16 Sep 18, 2012
Right, Hillhippy. They seemingly have no message except that "Obama must go." Their only responses to logic and data, are bitter insults, like that of Just Sayin, here. They believe that if you don't support Mitt, then you must be a lazy, welfare drawing, moron. All at the same time, they cannot describe why one should support Mitt.
nuffisnuff

Mountain View, AR

#17 Sep 18, 2012
Well, I see the Obama attack dogs are out in force, geezzz you haters are pathetic. You just cannot let anyone state an opinion different than yours. Really lame and pathetic.
Fried Horse

Mountain View, AR

#18 Sep 18, 2012
You can state whatever opinion you choose. So can everyone else. That is why this is called a public forum.
nuffisnuff

Mountain View, AR

#19 Sep 18, 2012
And we are called names like righties, liars, without logic or data, and alter reality. You know what....we feel the same about you !! Only difference is we don't verbally attack you...trying to talk about what we believe and want for OUR country is like being in Benghazi with you burning our flag. Tell me that is not true either ! You are a bunch of bigots and haters, with your head under your arm and someday, when it is to late, you will be so surprised at what you refused to see. So shut up and let us talk if we want to.

If you must reply, show us YOUR idea of logic and data, you can start with the promises Obumer made to get elected and how many he kept, OH I suppose you will blame that on Bush too!
think about this

Mountain View, AR

#20 Sep 18, 2012
the reason they hate us is due to the extreme measures the last administration went to in Iraq and Afganistan To have our soldgiers torture and kill how many muslims we will be treated as the devil for many years to come becuase of these actions

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