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John doe

United States

#1 Oct 30, 2013
What can we do about Mtn Homes Athletic Program ?

Since: Oct 13

United States

#2 Oct 31, 2013
We can start with replacing the head coach of our football team...having coached football myself I can tell you he's not HEAD coach material..assistant maybe but not head coach...Shane Patrick was a "special" coach and it takes a "special" coach to win here...he was able to get 120% out of every player on every down and had the ability to get kids to over achieve. There were some parents who didn't like his tough hard nosed coaching style and constantly complained about it.I would argue that tough hard nosed coaches produce tough hard nosed football teams which is what we need and they also produce wins which is what we need in order to develop a good program.Contrary to the politically correct statement "winning isn't everything"... I would argue winning is everything. I know there was at least one assistant coach maybe two who coached with or should I say under Patrick that possessed some of the characteristics that he did... tough.. hard nosed refuse to loose coaching attitude that the kids would have respected or some may even say feared...which I would say is a good fear..a lot of kids need that type of coach/mentor to keep them on track and involved in the sport and I don't see anything wrong with that.I would like to know why those coaches were overlooked by our AD..does she not know how to evaluate coaching ability?Which would make her/him unqualified for that position. I would say Patrick was a very sore loser and most good coaches are...you show me a "good loser" and I'll show you a loser... we need that type of coaching style brought back to our football program... that is what it takes to win games here along with the correct strategy and play calling..I have been present for at least two games that we lost that can be blamed directly on the head coach due to very poor play calling.We just set.a school record for consecutive losses (17) and I for one am tired of loosing and I know these kids are. I expect some changes this off season or I for one will quit supporting the program.. and when I say changes I mean BIG CHANGES

Since: Oct 13

United States

#3 Oct 31, 2013
We had a good thing goin here with Patrick...the best way to have kept that good thing going would have been to promote from within..I would like some answers as to why that wasn't done?
Justin

Mountain Home, AR

#4 Oct 31, 2013
First things first for our football program. These boys are to small compared to other schools. That's partially because of their size. I know you can't hold mandatory practices but these boys need to be on a lifting program in the off season. And get them away from "cross fit" crap. I ask why these boys are doing cross fit in the summer? I think it has to do with politics and the school or coaches have ties with the guy who owned the athletic club and west star. Have you ever heard of the "bigger, faster, stronger" program? Yea it works great. Get away from cross fit it's just cutting down size from the boys. It may them a little faster but you can't run when your hurt or your offensive line can't block. Put size on these boys and you will see that you can win in mnt home. Stop blaming the head coach. But the only
Thing he needs to do better is get the kids bigger and stronger and a little more tougher.
Really

Mountain Home, AR

#5 Oct 31, 2013
The head coach needs to take responsibility for the sorry records he has had every year since he has been here. I have to agree with the poster before me, Mahan is not Head Coach material. But, I will also disagree with the same poster, as I do not credit Shane Patrick for the success that was had by in the years that he was here. The credit for that success needs to be given to the assistant coaches that he had. They were able to keep the team focused on the big picture. Robert Johnson show be credited as much for the success as Shane Patrick.
Justin, you are correct in your statement that MHHS needs to do away with the thought that "if the boys are faster, they will be better". Crossfit is not the way to get there. The Bombers need a realignment of it's coaches staff for sure. I however am tired of people blaming the fact that we play larger schools. If the Coaches staff gave a crap about the players they have come out to play and encourage more kids to come out and play we could compete with the other schools. Not all schools allow athletes to specialize in one sport. The Coaching staff needs to get into the classrooms and recruit some of the raw talent that might be sitting at a desk that is being overlooked. Encourage the kids that practice everyday and get there brains beat in, allow them to see some playing time. Quit playing the same 14 or 15 kids every game. Change up the plays a little. We are not big enough nor fast enough to run the spread. Load the "T" like Marion did against us and see how well that works for the Bombers. You want to see a difference in Bomber Football? Change Bomber Football from the top down! The school board needs to hold this coaching staff accountable. We are paying the head football coach of MHHS a ton of money to lose, we need to see some change in his attitude and his program or just change him and get someone that cares about two things, 1) the kids, get to know your players, care about who they are, encourage them to be a multi athlete. 2) Pride! Enough said.
Clever Name

Mountain Home, AR

#6 Oct 31, 2013
We had Bigger, Faster, Stronger when Coach Miller was here. We were not bigger, or faster, or stronger than any of our competition. The problem is that we are in a conference that we shouldn't be in. Period. We don't have the population to produce enough talent to compete with kids that are going on to play college ball consistently - we don't produce any college players. Maybe it's bad genetics, we just don't have the big farm boys that we need. These kids aren't into weight lifting and being big; I saw some of them two weeks ago in street clothes and I couldn't believe how out of shape they are. You've got skinny kids with no muscle and fat kids with no muscle. When I was in school, we didn't have a very good team back then either but at least the guys looked the part and spent time getting bigger and leaner.

If you look at how much money is spent on this program and facilities, and how little it does for our community, I don't know why the board and administration keep wasting tax payer dollars on it. If the kids just want to go out and play ball and have fun, that's fine. Stop spending so much money on them. It's ridiculous to drop that much coin into something that never produces results, except once every couple of decades. Let's focus on what we are good at and quit throwing money at a team that is a pinata for conference opponents. Or drop down a conference and be competitive. But this getting destroyed every Friday is almost as bad as the Razorbacks getting destroyed every Saturday. I can't wait for next season, in both cases.

Since: Oct 13

United States

#7 Nov 1, 2013
Let start by saying this...I appreciate everyone's input on here and I appreciate the fact that some that have posted here are at least in agreement with most of what I had to say.I would like to challenge all that post on here to keel.focused on the goal at hand and not to turn this into an argument amongst ourselves..I myself will not engage in an argument on here with anyone (I done enough of that when I was much younger with my ex wife)... it takes away from the topic of the discussion and the people we need to reach won't take us seriously if they do in fact read this and I'd be willing to bet they will when word gets out about this topic on topic...I thought by saying we should have promoted from within was giving credit to those assistant coaches who coached under/with Shane Patrick.They definitely should be.given credit and I may not have stressed that enough to satisfy all...but most of the credit should and does go to the head coach that put those key pieces of the puzzle together... so just in my opinion he gets most of the credit that's why he was being recruited by about every school in this region of the country to come and coach their ball team...most AD'S know coaching talent when they see it and part of that talent is knowing what assistants to bring in.Patrick will one day be coaching at a major college..I can guarantee you that.I would have coach Robert Johnson on my very short list to Replace our current coach this off season.When he was snubbed by our AD he took a Head coaching position at Hamburg and won a state title there but for some reason our AD didn't think he could do that here.I don't know for sure but I run a business in this town and I know ALOT of people and the word around town is there was some politics in play that resulted in this coach being hired and coach Johnson getting snubbed. I would also like to add that I think coach Barnes should be on that short list as well he's qualified and capable and most all assistant's learn from the success of the head coach especially when they produce results like we saw when Patrick was here...and I'm in no way saying they would coach the exact same way Patrick did but you can bet they would have learned and used some of those tactics just as he took some things from them.No matter what the circumstances were that led our AD to hire this head coach...that decision has cost this program severely to the point it will take a few years to recover from it and I think she should be held accountable as well...I'm no genius but I do know the game of football inside and out and I know how to judge talent.I can also tell by watching these kids play that the coach has "lost this team"...they don't believe in this coach or what he's doing and it shows in the effort they put forth on game night... and I place NO BLAME ON THESE KIDS...I quiet frankly don't blame them...the AD has failed them and they know it.Anyone who knows the game of football and watched Patrick's teams play and are now watching this coach's teams play can tell you the effort put forth by these kids is nowhere near the effort of a Shane Patrick coached ball team....NOT EVEN CLOSE..and again I place no blame on these kids...all blame go's to the man in charge and our AD.I knew right from the start of his tenure here that he would fail..for example he started out trying to play 11 players on offense and 11 different players on defense.. that strategy works at larger schools or at schools that have the personnel/athletes/numbers to do so...but at this stage we just don't have the kids to do that and as a head coach he should have known that..I have noticed he's gotten away.from that and we now have some kids playing both sides of the ball..I was astounded that he thought he could implement such a strategy here.. there's just NO WAY that would work here and I knew our AD had made a huge mistake in hiring him and that he had bitten off more than he could chew by taking the job

Since: Oct 13

United States

#8 Nov 1, 2013
More to come...I didn't know we were limited to 4000 characters and had to delete about half of my post...grrrrrrrr
Really

Mountain Home, AR

#9 Nov 1, 2013
John Riggins 44 - I like a lot of what you have to say, but lets make sure some facts are laid out here. First of all Shane Patrick was looking for a job when he took the one here. The winning team that you give him so much credit for was more the players and the assistant coaches then it was him. He was a hot head that couldn't control his temper. Several examples of that could be discussed on here but that want change the issues that our program is facing now. Robert Johnson did in fact leave MH and go to Hamburg. He didn't not win a State Championship there. He is now back coaching with Shane Patrick in Springdale. In my opinion, and it is just that an opinion, MH has enough coaching talent on the staff at this time. They just have the wrong people in charge. The whole football coaching staff needs to be re-assigned within the school district.
Clever Name - Mountain Home High School has kids that would like to play football and be on a winning team. We have kids walking the hall ways every day that have the size to help this team through some of it's problems. The problem is we have Coaches that don't give those potential players the time of day. Our school as a whole needs to be looked at. Look at the size of the High School Band. It is the smallest it has been in 25 or 30 years.
Someone tell me why aren't we encouraging our students to play more then one sport? When you go to a football player and ask them why they are not on the wrestling team they will tell you "Coach won't let us do both". That is wrong.

Since: Oct 13

Vilonia, AR

#10 Nov 1, 2013
The state title comment was second hand information but I do know he had success there..so if I was wrong about that I retract that statement... hot head? couldn't control his temper? all that as side he knew how to coach...knew how to call plays...knew how to exploit a weakness in an opposing team...and consistently out coached his opponents... if you didn't play disciplined defense He would exploit that...I myself could overlook his imperfections as a person..I watched our numbers grow on the sidelines year after year as more kids wanted to play for a winner..He's now coaching at one of the most prestigious programs in the state... he's doing something right

Since: Oct 13

Vilonia, AR

#11 Nov 1, 2013
And Yes I knew coach Johnson was now in Spring ale witb Patrick another example of Patrick bringing in the right assistants in order to win games which is what good head coaches do

Since: Oct 13

Vilonia, AR

#12 Nov 1, 2013
I sure the were some areas coach Patrick could improve upon but his positives by far out weighed his negatives...and I like a coach with some "fire" as I call it...this Mr. Nice Guy just don't get the job done on the football field..more times than not....and that's only my opinion
Seriously

United States

#13 Nov 1, 2013
Coach Patrick was 31-43-2 (.408 winning percentage) in 7 years. Someone mentioned Coach Miller..he was 18-48-1 (.278 winning percentage). Obviously, we have different opinions of what success looks like.
Personally, I am sick and tired about hearing how big the other schools are. That doesn't make them superior in talent..it just means they are more likely to have more of those top athletes...doesn't guarantee it! West Memphis is 2-6, Rogers Heritage is 4-4. If size of school is the issue then explain our 44-7 loss to Harrison who is 2-6! Could it be that while our Jr High/JV teams play Highland, Yellville and Huntsville, their Jr High/JV teams are playing teams from Fayetteville and Batesville? The comment about superior genetics is repulsive. You may be genetically inferior but I am not and neither are my kids!
I absolutely agree with "Really" about the kids NOT participating in the football program. We have some good athletes on our football team but we have just as many sitting in the stands. We need to understand why they aren't playing football and find a way to get them back in the program. If we had all of our talent on the field, we could beat some of these teams. I was at the Cabot game and they weren't any bigger than us. They simply ran their scheme to perfection and we made too many errors. There is a sophomore playing for the Yellville high school team that was a Mtn Home student last year...why did he leave???
Unfortunately, things don't look promising. I don't think either 7th grade team won a game (except when they played each other!), the 8th grade team went 7-2, the 9th grade team went 1-7-1, the JV team went 3-4 and the varsity team is 0-8. I do think part of the problem is all the coaches from 7th grade to the Varsity team are not on the same page. The 7th, 8th and 9th grade coaches do not believe or support the high school coaches and undermine them every chance they get. They talk bad about the high school coaches (sometimes in front of players) and that is just wrong. You may not like Coach Mahan but you better get in line. If you cannot, then you are the problem and need to leave!
With that being said, I like Coach Mahan and I know that he wants to win as much as anyone in this town. I think his flaw is his inability/unwillingness to accept that his schemes aren't working and adjust. You are 2-17 over the last 2 years...try something different!! If he doesn't, it will lead to his demise. Personally, I hope they don't replace him with anyone local. There isn't a coach in this town that is ready to be the head coach of this program! If they do promote from within, my kids may be following that boy to Yellville!
I also agree that things need to change at the top. The current AD writes an article each week telling us how big the school is that we are facing that week. She then follows it up with something to the effect "but we'll give it our best!!" WOW...that is inspiring!! And we wonder why our kids don't want to play football.
Last comment - we need our kids lifting weights, doing agility drills and running sprints during the offseason. Doing 100 yards of lunges with a barbell across your shoulders isn't helping us on the football field!!
Really

Mountain Home, AR

#14 Nov 1, 2013
Take a look at the win / loss records for the Bombers this goes back to the beginning. Just thought you mind find it interesting. It is time for change, all coaches from top to bottom need to be on the same page. Teaching the same program from the 7th grade through 12 grade. If they would do that you would see a major adjustment in win / loss stats. I am afraid that we are stuck with Benji Mahan for a long time, since we don't have a school board that will stand up to get what we pay for, in or out of the classroom.
All-Time Coaches Records

Jack Jones (1947) 1 year 0-6 (.000)

George Hendricks (1948-49) 2 years 9-6 (.600)

Stacy Looney (1950) 1 year 6-4 (.600)

Ike Sharp (1951, 54) 2 years 6-13-1 (.263)

Bob Walters (1952-53) 2 years 6-11-2

Don Dempsey (1955-58) 4 years 37-7-1 (.822)

Howard Cissell (1959) 1 year 5-4-1 (.500)

Don Riggs (1960-64) 5 years 23-29-4 (.410)

Russell Sims (1965-68) 4 years 21-22-2 (.381)

D.A. Dahlke (1969-72) 4 years 10-29-2 (.243)

T.J. Greene (1973) 1 year 5-5 (.500)

Bill Spratt (1974) 1 year 1-9 (.100)

Bill Breedlove (1975-78) 4 years 25-17 (.595)

Kent Miller (1979-81) 3 years 14-17-1 (.437)

Barney Crawford (1982-88) 7 years 48-26-1 (.640)

Perry Brantley (1989-90) 2 years 8-9-1 (.444)

Duke Wells (1991-95) 5 years 7-43 (.140)

Kevin Miller (1996-02) 6+ years 18-48-1 (.273)

Doug Young (2002) 4 Games 0-4 (.000)

Shane Patrick (2003-2009) 7 years 31-43-2 (.408)

Benji Mahan (2010-present) 3 years 7-25 (.280)

The above information came from the Bomber website.
Seriously

United States

#15 Nov 1, 2013
I agree with you Really. The entire program needs to be aligned. I think it starts with the AD though. She needs to set the stage and give the HS coach the authority to set the direction for the entire program. Those coaches that don't get in line need to leave. Unfortunately, I don't think this AD cares enough to do anything about it. She'll just continue to make excuses and inform us how many students every other school has.

I also forgot to comment about the person who said we spend all this money on the program. Other than the turf field and uniforms, our facilities are pathetic. You cannot hear the speaker system on the visitor side of the field, the scoreboard is straight out of the 50s. The press box is a shed on stilts. I've been to many schools across the state and I am amazed with how good some of these schools look. It shows a high level of pride and those facilities are used by all the students, not just the football team. Our band uses the football stadium a lot..same with soccer. Drive by any weekend and you will see the community using the football field. I've seen birthday parties held there. It is a nice field that is benefitting more than just the football team.

When other teams come to our stadium, they aren't intimidated...they probably laugh and figure they are playing a bunch of hicks from the hills. I wish the school board would take a little pride in the facilities that are our showcase to the other schools. When it comes down to it, the impression teams have of our school is based on the football stadium. If we don't take any pride in how we present ourselves to the rest of the state, how can we expect our kids to???
Adam Williams

Bangkok, Thailand

#16 Nov 1, 2013
Thanks a lot!
Morgan

Mountain Home, AR

#17 Nov 1, 2013
In my opinion, Mtn Home is way to political. Its not about how good you are its about who you know. Benji has no business being the coach here. But then again he had no business playing for the Hogs either. Money talks in MH. As I write this MH is down 28-0 to NLR in the 1st Qrt. The same point can be made for baseball. Tejeck? Really? When the Springdale coach,who has a state championship, wanted to come here but was turned down. Now 35-0 BTW. Until the politics stop, don't expect any significant winning around here anytime soon. Sad.

Since: Oct 13

Little Rock, AR

#18 Nov 1, 2013
"Really" you made a.good point about the amount of kids walkin the halls at the high school.. and some with some size in them that could help this football team...but I've been hearing from the.kids is that won't play ball because they don't believe that they can win with this coach and they don't want to play for him...I will say that's just what I've been hearing from several kids..just hear say but I can't come up with a reason for them to lie about it... and what's this about the coach won't let them participate in any other sports... now that's really counter productive.. that keeps wrestlers off the football field and football players off the wrestling matt..where's the logic in that?...and I may be giving coach Patrick a lil to much credit but it does seem that your not willing to give him ANY credit...which leads me to believe there's an underlying issue???

Since: Oct 13

Little Rock, AR

#19 Nov 1, 2013
"Morgan" your right on the money
Taylor

Mountain Home, AR

#20 Nov 1, 2013
Yep!!

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