After arrests of indigenous immigrant...

After arrests of indigenous immigrants, questions about transla...

There are 12 comments on the Newsday story from Mar 18, 2009, titled After arrests of indigenous immigrants, questions about transla.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When immigration agents arrested 16 farmworkers in a mass arrest of illegal immigrants early this year, legal advocates raced to find interpreters for some of the men, a few who spoke only a language called Mixtec.

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Diogenes

Haverhill, MA

#1 Mar 18, 2009
After arrests of indigenous immigrants, questions about translation and deportations emerge By MANUEL VALDES Associated Press Writer


"Indigenous immigrants"? So tell us, Manuel, exactly what is this word game you're trying to play? These people are "indigenous" when they back home in their own country. When they sneak into >this< country they are NOT 'indigenous'; or did you mean to type ">illegal< immigrants"?
It also raised questions about the deportation proceedings for people who speak little Spanish or English.
Well if they can't even speak Spanish, let alone English, don't you think this just might indicate that they are here illegally, hmm?
The case of the Mount Vernon men also highlights some of the clashes that are becoming more common as the growing community of indigenous peoples from Latin America meets the American legal system.
And if they stayed in Latin America where they truly are 'indigenous', then they wouldn't meet the American legal system in the first place, right?
Hundreds of indigenous languages and dialects are spoken in Mexico and Central America, and some of those dialects are drastically different from each other, said Rufino Dominguez-Santos of the bi-national center.
So, Rufino, we will just have to put all these deportations on hold until we can import a few thousand 'indigenous' translators to serve these privileged border-jumpers, right? WRONG!!
"If you have a document where you purport to be giving up certain rights, then you have to have that document translated in a language you can understand in order for the process to comply with due process," said Jorge Baron, an attorney and executive director at the Northwest Immigrant Rights Project, a Seattle-based legal aid group. Baron's group helped in finding an interpreter for the men.
Hey, here's an idea. How about a comic book explaining the different options to these 'indigenous immigrants'!

On the first page, one panel shows the "indigenous immigrant" refusing to sign the voluntary deportation document and the next panel shows him with a long beard still sitting behind bars.

On the next page, the first panel shows him signing the deportation document and the next panel shows him on a plane back home (where he belongs).

Problem solved.
But Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Immigration Studies, cautions that access to interpreters for immigrants facing deportation is not a right.

"To think it's a right, our responsibility, to help you avoid being deported, it's kind of silly," Krikorian said. "If we don't have a translator in your obscure language, well, that's too bad."
The next thing you know the border-jumpers will claim to be Klingons, and demand that the ICE provide them with the appropriate translators.
Diogenes

Haverhill, MA

#2 Mar 18, 2009
After arrests of indigenous immigrants, questions about translation and deportations emerge

By MANUEL VALDES | Associated Press Writer


"Indigenous immigrants"? So tell us, Manuel, exactly what is this word game you're trying to play? These people are "indigenous" when they back home in their own country. When they sneak into >this< country they are NOT 'indigenous'; or did you mean to type "illegal immigrants"?
It also raised questions about the deportation proceedings for people who speak little Spanish or English.
Well if they can't even speak Spanish, let alone English, don't you think this just might indicate that they are here illegally, hmm?
The case of the Mount Vernon men also highlights some of the clashes that are becoming more common as the growing community of indigenous peoples from Latin America meets the American legal system.
And if they stayed in Latin America where they truly are 'indigenous', then they wouldn't meet the American legal system in the first place, right?
Hundreds of indigenous languages and dialects are spoken in Mexico and Central America, and some of those dialects are drastically different from each other, said Rufino Dominguez-Santos of the bi-national center.
So, Rufino, we will just have to put all these deportations on hold until we can import a few thousand 'indigenous' translators to serve these privileged border-jumpers, right? WRONG!!
"If you have a document where you purport to be giving up certain rights, then you have to have that document translated in a language you can understand in order for the process to comply with due process," said Jorge Baron, an attorney and executive director at the Northwest Immigrant Rights Project, a Seattle-based legal aid group. Baron's group helped in finding an interpreter for the men.
Hey, here's an idea. How about a comic book explaining the different options to these 'indigenous immigrants'!

On the first page, one panel shows the "indigenous immigrant" refusing to sign the voluntary deportation document and the next panel shows him with a long beard still sitting behind bars.

On the next page, the first panel shows him signing the deportation document and the next panel shows him on a plane back home (where he belongs).

Problem solved.
But Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Immigration Studies, cautions that access to interpreters for immigrants facing deportation is not a right.

"To think it's a right, our responsibility, to help you avoid being deported, it's kind of silly," Krikorian said. "If we don't have a translator in your obscure language, well, that's too bad."
The next thing you know the border-jumpers will claim to be Klingons, and demand that the ICE provide them with the appropriate translators.
Diogenes

Haverhill, MA

#3 Mar 18, 2009
Apologies for the unintentional double post- it appeared that Sn-oozeday didn't accept it the first time.
say what

Orlando, FL

#4 Mar 18, 2009
Now every police department in the country needs to hire someone who speaks Mixtec?.....Yikes!

We are very normal here in the U.S.A.,
yes we is.
Al Sharpton

Waukee, IA

#5 Mar 18, 2009
Do not call me "indigenous"
Pat

Granby, CT

#6 Mar 18, 2009
Indigenous immigrants = third world Central and South American Indians.
whitehair

Bowling Green, KY

#7 Mar 18, 2009
If they got here,someone had to know the route,speak the language,or point, and someone had to tell them what was here,did they not???Why not just point at the jail,then the bus,then South as they left???

Indigenous,indeed.Illegal,yes.

For once someone had the guts to say they have no "rights" as they are not citizens.
Lake Worthless no more

Moss Point, MS

#8 Mar 18, 2009
Since when do these Mixtec people have rights when they break our immigration laws....Unflippin believable !

Just have them sign the damn papers and send them home.
doctor x

Peterborough, Canada

#9 Mar 18, 2009
is guyana a good place to invest Business,at the moment. my answer would be no.
doctor x

Peterborough, Canada

#10 Mar 18, 2009
would some one tell me why a person like corbin allowed Guyana to go down hill like
She Be Me

Saint Louis, MO

#11 Mar 18, 2009
They are NOT "indigenous immigrants".

They ARE ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS.
Monkey Shines

New York, NY

#13 Mar 18, 2009
This is pathetic.

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