Teacher testifies that anti-evolution...

Teacher testifies that anti-evolution handouts did not promote ...

There are 1638 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Dec 11, 2009, titled Teacher testifies that anti-evolution handouts did not promote .... In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Classroom handouts questioning evolution were used as examples of faulty science, not to promote religion in the classroom, a Mount Vernon middle school teacher testified this morning in a hearing to determine if he should be fired.

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Amazed

Mount Vernon, OH

#1 Dec 11, 2009
MAN UP, Freshwater and tell the truth! A real man would admit everything he did , especially if he thought he was right. Instead, you are merely being a coward and making-up some lame excuses for your intentions. You had an agenda, now OWN IT! Lord be with you.
Skeptical Reader

Columbus, OH

#2 Dec 11, 2009
Does this man really believe people are that stupid? Conserve paper. That's rich!
Paul Burnett

Daly City, CA

#3 Dec 11, 2009
Freshwater is contradicting his own earlier sworn testimony, when he said he burned an X - not a cross - on kids' arms, and now he says he didn't touch the kids' arms. He's toast.
Marvin Glep

Naperville, IL

#4 Dec 11, 2009
Nice to see that the Mount Vernon school district are STILL trying to crucify John Freshwater with trumped up drivel like this.

Really though, they are making it clear what it's all about. Freshwater is a modern heretic who has the audacity to question the dogma of the biological sect of modern secular religion- EVOLUTION! Gad, not THAT! Never mind that he's getting performance that no other teachers are getting on standardized testing- including (GASP!) science. And never mind that the original charge that he "burned a cross" into a student's arm was so laughably and obviously trumped up. The heretic must be BURNED!

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Fexley

United States

#5 Dec 11, 2009
Way too many religious wackos infecting our PUBLIC schools. Religious wackos are like a cancer to the state of Ohio.

Since: Nov 08

Boise, ID

#7 Dec 11, 2009
Marvin Glep wrote:
Nice to see that the Mount Vernon school district are STILL trying to crucify John Freshwater with trumped up drivel like this.
Would you still be defending Freshwater if he was a Muslim who put a saracen on this kids arm?
Really though, they are making it clear what it's all about. Freshwater is a modern heretic who has the audacity to question the dogma of the biological sect of modern secular religion- EVOLUTION!
He is not questioning evolution. He is denying it because of his religious beliefs and using lies and distortion in science class. Teaching bad science should get a science teacher fired.
Don

Hollywood, FL

#8 Dec 11, 2009
Fire him.

Since: Aug 09

Columbus, OH

#9 Dec 11, 2009
Nut case alert!
Fran

Wapakoneta, OH

#10 Dec 11, 2009
Though the burning of crosses on the arms is a bit peculiar, this man should be applauded for standing up for our Constitutional rights, which were formulated on the bible.

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marcos1

United States

#11 Dec 11, 2009
liar, liar, pants on fire. It just keeps getting deeper. Get rid of this waco, enough time and $ listening to this mental case. He's had is 2 minutes.
Vicky

Columbus, OH

#12 Dec 11, 2009
This is just another way that people is trying to kick God out of everything. I commend that teacher for teaching the TRUTH wheather parents/students want to hear it or not, God is the creator of ALL THINGS!

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L Stickle

Mount Vernon, OH

#13 Dec 11, 2009
Erasmus05 wrote:
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Would you still be defending Freshwater if he was a Muslim who put a saracen on this kids arm?
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He is not questioning evolution. He is denying it because of his religious beliefs and using lies and distortion in science class. Teaching bad science should get a science teacher fired.
did you even read this article? it doesn't say he was denying evolution. also if he is teaching 'bad science' then how are his students getting the highest standardized test scores in the school?
ARG

Columbus, OH

#14 Dec 11, 2009
I would like to know why this case is taking so long to be heard!!!
Drew

Marathon, FL

#15 Dec 11, 2009
If God wanted these pamphlets in school he would have forced the pamphlets into all schools. Since God invetded the science curriculum and all.

If I was religious, I would pray for people like him to never hold a job outside of the food service industry.
drock1966

Nashport, OH

#16 Dec 11, 2009
I agree with Fexley...

"Way too many religious wackos infecting our PUBLIC schools. Religious wackos are like a cancer to the state of Ohio."

AND our government.

Since: Nov 09

Idaho Falls, ID

#17 Dec 11, 2009
Fexley wrote:
Way too many religious wackos infecting our PUBLIC schools. Religious wackos are like a cancer to the state of Ohio.
And to Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas,...
PC on the TEE

Leesburg, IN

#18 Dec 11, 2009
Whether this teacher is guilty or not, I don't know. What I do know is that evolutionary theory is full of holes and that there is more evidence for creationism than there is for evolution. If you take the time to study it, as I have, you may come to the same conclusion. If all of you are so sure of evolution, why are you so afraid of presenting the evidence that over 5,000 scientists of The Institute for Creation Research have developed? There is a tremendous alternative!

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L Stickle

Mount Vernon, OH

#19 Dec 11, 2009
ARG wrote:
I would like to know why this case is taking so long to be heard!!!
well since Oct, 2008 there have been 28 days of hearings. there have been a lot of scheduling conflicts between the several attorneys, and the availability of the room they are holding the hearing in. also there are many vague accusations that Mr Freshwater's attorney has to respond to.

Since: Nov 08

Boise, ID

#20 Dec 11, 2009
Fran wrote:
Though the burning of crosses on the arms is a bit peculiar, this man should be applauded for standing up for our Constitutional rights, which were formulated on the bible.
Those rights are given to citizens, not the government. When Freshwater is in the classroom as a teacher in a public school he is acting as a government agent. The constitution specifically limits his speech in this case per the Establishment clause. It is unconstitutional for a teacher to indoctrinate students into a religion in a public school.
Reader

Columbus, OH

#21 Dec 11, 2009
Marvin Glep: "Nice to see that the Mount Vernon school district are STILL trying to crucify John Freshwater with trumped up drivel like this."

Just how many conspirators do you think there are? Add up the testimony of the high school teachers that his students arrived in high school with misconceptions regarding science, derived from his teaching of creationism; the student who provided evidence that someone burned his arm--with testimony that it was Freshwater; testimony from Freshwater and students that he did in fact use the tesla coil inappropriately in a way consistent with burning; testimony from students that he used classroom handouts that they were not allowed to take home to teach creationism; confirming evidence from an independent HR company that they found such handouts in the classroom; Freshwater's own statements to the press that he refused to remove his Bible from public view in his classroom; Freshwater's acknowledgement that he posted the Ten Commandments in his classroom until told to take them down.
All this stuff adds up to at least a pretty strong circumstantial case. Freshwater's earlier statements tend to confirm the case against him. Even removing the religious issue (and the accompanying insubordination), the inappropriate use of lab equipment should be sufficient grounds for firing.

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