understudy

Richmond, KY

#21 Dec 5, 2012
Praying wrote:
We must remember that we're following God, not man. If you're leaving a church because you don't like the leadership, then you're going to the church for the wrong reason anyway. As for what he, or anyone else wears, God doesn't judge us based on what we wear. He says, "Just as you are." Wearing jeans doesn't make a person less able to praise and serve God. People should feel comfortable to wear whatever they want. FCOG is going to do great things in this community. If you, or others, don't want to be a part of it, then we'll miss you and we'll be praying that you find a place that is a better fit for you.
I completely agree with your comment about church leadership. The pastor is not as important as the congregation. Pastors come and go, but the congregation of believers remains. I think the Biblical expectation of giving our best to God covers about everything, from our head right down to our best. My best may not be your best. Wearing jeans and tennis shoes to church on Sunday morning would make me feel very uncomfortable, not because of what the rest of the group is wearing but because it's not my best. I can accept that it may be someone else's best, but I think most of us can and should do better. A man can buy dress pants and a button-down shirt nowadays for no more than a polo shirt and a pair of Levi's, so money is not the issue. It is disappointing to see a pastor compromise on what he knows to be Biblically true. I think the "just as I am" phrase you apply refers to our spiritual condition primarily.
As for VP, I think he's still searching to find his way and I pray that he will search his heart and let God lead.
So sad

United States

#22 Dec 7, 2012
Sherri has resigned from being director of the school , this place is having a snowball affect and it's going to be sad to watch!
Praying

Winchester, KY

#23 Dec 8, 2012
God doesn't judge us on what we wear to church. He judges our heart. A person can come dressed in the best and have an unclean heart. Church is not a social event. I think that's why so many people like coming to FCOG. There's a nice mixture of people, and no one seems to judge you on what you're wearing, unless they're doing it behind your back. Oh wait, they are. That's clear from a few posts on this page. Sad. As for many people leaving, well I've been there the past three Sundays, and the seats have been just as full as they've always been.
hmmm

Roanoke, VA

#24 Dec 9, 2012
Google VP Palmer....Lots of information. Most of it disheartening and sad.
Fred

Washington, DC

#25 Dec 10, 2012
Concerned wrote:
This church is in a sad state of affairs. It is so sad as it has been such a leader in this community. We have a man that needs to be humbled and fall prostrate before the Lord in confession of such a harsh personality. The church then needs to follow up and all ask for personal cleansing.
I know some who were just hoping he'd get saved...
church Goer

Danville, KY

#26 Dec 10, 2012
Praying wrote:
God doesn't judge us on what we wear to church. He judges our heart. A person can come dressed in the best and have an unclean heart. Church is not a social event. I think that's why so many people like coming to FCOG. There's a nice mixture of people, and no one seems to judge you on what you're wearing, unless they're doing it behind your back. Oh wait, they are. That's clear from a few posts on this page. Sad. As for many people leaving, well I've been there the past three Sundays, and the seats have been just as full as they've always been.
Thanks for your comments. Keep praying. Obviously we have a difference of opinion and I will leave it at that. Time will tell.
mary

Frankfort, KY

#27 Dec 10, 2012
Fred wrote:
<quoted text>
I know some who were just hoping he'd get saved...
I could not find anything disconcerting in a Google seach besides this topix chain.
Yup

Chicago, IL

#28 Dec 10, 2012
Well my child goes to school there and Im deeply concerned about sherri leaving! I do not go to church there! I don't know how 18 hours of child development teach him about running a school, there has got be more behind sherri leaving than we are getting! And before anyone says anything that is what the paper said that they sent out to the parents at school!
church Goer

Danville, KY

#29 Dec 10, 2012
Like I said...time will tell. Prayers for him, he needs them the most. The changes lay at his hands, not the congreation he was fortunate to start with.
Somebody must have

Paintsville, KY

#30 Dec 16, 2012
told him about all these rumors and trouble makers cause they said he talked about it today in the service
Church goer trouble maker

Paintsville, KY

#31 Dec 21, 2012
I am talking to you Church Goer; you have posted in the Charleston Topix, the South Charleston Topix and the Mount Sterling Topix to try to find some dirt on VP Palmer. If you have such a problem with the guy why don't you find a different church. I mean there practically is one on every corner in this town.
Have you found anything from your inquiries that has satisfied your need to know about his man?
Emill

United States

#32 Dec 24, 2012
Keep It Real wrote:
<quoted text>I went to that church for about 5 years when Pastor Jeff was there. I've set through many a service where they sang and played music for 50 mins, and 15-20 minutes of Pastor Jeff, or Rebecca telling a story.
You need to learn the difference between someone stating facts, and someone judging.
Like I said, alot of good people go there, that do alot for the community, and Pastor Jeff is a very good man, but 95% of that congregation couldn't tell you what the bible says, because they've never been taught.
So Jeff was a good man. If you knew why he really left the church you might retract that comment.
lost

Winchester, KY

#33 Dec 24, 2012
So Emill. Ive heard several reasons Jeff left. Sounds like you know the real reason. Why????
Keep It Real

United States

#34 Dec 31, 2012
Emill wrote:
<quoted text>
So Jeff was a good man. If you knew why he really left the church you might retract that comment.
Jeff was, and is a good man. I like everyone else have heard the rumors why Pastor Jeff left, and if they are true, that's not the unpardonable sin.
He can be forgiven, just like anyone else can. And just like I said before, if that Church would have spent more time studying the Word, and less time worrying about filling up 45 minutes of who will be singing this service, it may have never happened.
When a Church starts getting away from Scripture, bad things will start to happen. But that's the good thing about being a Christian, Christ can save all. As long as you realize your mistakes, and sins.
Bill

United States

#35 Dec 31, 2012
I am sure Jeff is sorry. He got caught
a little ticked off

Charleston, WV

#36 Jan 6, 2013
I was a member of the previous church VP used to be a pastor of. Yes, his style of doing things were drastically different than what we had before, but seeming as I am a person that likes different music (heavy metal)and feels that there are many ways to read The Bible (metaphorically, literally, etc. don't judge), even I felt he had gone too far. Pastors left because they had been emotionally broken inside and manipulated by this man (one is a very close friend of mine). Bylaws were written in such a way as to give him absolute control and power over all church affairs with no way to revoke that. When you tie people's hands like that, what choice do they have? They leave.

The other thing spewed was ignorance. If you want an example (and you do because that's how it works) his service about the events of 9/11/2001 was the most hateful and angry sermon I've ever witnessed. It's the sermon that took it too far and made me leave.

So yea go on and have your petty ignorant arguments about the clothing of choice you think people should wear,(which is judging by the way). You need to wake up and instead of just walking in the door and thinking everything is ok, realize that it's not. I was in our church three days a week and I still never knew anything that was twisting behind the scenes and you won't either. Our church was always full of people. You know why? He wanted their money. So take a step back and take off the rose colored glasses and really pay attention to what is going on there. It will shock you.

On a completely unrelated note. I think it begs to be repeated: If the reason you go to a certain church is because of the style of music and type of clothing and preaching style then you are going for the wrong reasons.
Disturbed Parent

Charleston, WV

#37 Jan 6, 2013
I am speaking from a parent, of a child that attended VPs church. It was very disturbing to me when my child was under their care while church was going on. my child who loved going to church all of a sudden did not want to go to his class any more. One Sunday our family arrives at church. There are signs posted all over the church stating "there will be no roaming the halls during church service." during service i wanted to go check on my child. As I walked toward the classroom i was followed by another church member who i have known for 15 years. i turned around to ask if she needed anything. the lady proceeded to tell me that I was not allowed to roam the halls during church. She proceeded to try and enforce the rule at me. I felt very uncomfortable knowing that they were not allowing the parents to look in on their children, especially when their child had not been wanting to go to church.
lost

Winchester, KY

#38 Jan 6, 2013
Everyone is tip toeing around why Jeff left.So you all dont really know either
understudy

Mount Sterling, KY

#39 Jan 7, 2013
I don't go to church to wear certain clothing. I wear certain clothing to go to church. And I have certain clothing to go to work. And I have certain clothing to wear around the house. I don't wear the same clothing I wear to work or around the house to also wear to church.
For me, it's about living to a higher standard. I expect to work for a living, not to live off of someone else's labor. I expect my child to obey his parents. I expect my child to respect others in authority. I expect my child to go to school and learn and not be disruptive or misbehave. My expectations I believe match God's expectations in these areas. Man's expectations in our society today are not the same as God's expectations. If I followed man's expectations, I would be content to live off the government, my child would not obey or respect anyone, and my child would go to school and fail and I would be satisfied with that. Let's continue to lower our standards for ourselves and our children and see how quickly the deterioration of our society turns around. And our children are watching everything we do.
We Know

United States

#40 Jan 7, 2013
lost wrote:
Everyone is tip toeing around why Jeff left.So you all dont really know either
He had a affair with a lady in his church
I am sure you want to know who she is next.

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