Teacher pay still strong on Island

Teacher pay still strong on Island

There are 339 comments on the Newsday story from Mar 8, 2009, titled Teacher pay still strong on Island. In it, Newsday reports that:

Even in the face of a souring economy, many Long Island school districts have approved hefty raises for teachers that soon will push salaries to more than $140,000 a year for the highest earners.

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Ross

New York, NY

#2 Mar 8, 2009
Mr. Cohn's comment is obnoxious. I am in the private sector. I have taken a pay cut and I am a highly educated person (JD). I have to work 12 months a year and I am one of the lucky few who gets 3 weeks vacation, instead of 2 weeks. I have no pension, no 401K, just an IRA which is getting smaller each day. It is about time that we crack down on the education mafia. There should be no automatic step increases for longevity or extra education. Teachers and administrators should have to work 11 months a year for their salary or take a 10% pay cut and they should pay more for their ridiculous benefits. I pay nearly 10K in property taxes in Bellmore for a house that continues to decline in value. The Boards need to be tough in negotiations because double inflation rate tax increases can not continue. I have 2 kids in the school system, but if the Boards do not get control of their budgets, I will have to vote no each May until control is exercised. I love LI, but the middle class can't continue to take it in the chin, so that overpaid municipal workers can move into the upper class. At this rate, soon everybody will need to make 200K just to survive. The only good news with teachers making well into six figure salaries, is that 2 teachers in a family will soon be paying much more in income taxes because they will be making more than the vaunted $250K, and under their newly elected President (who the UFT strongly supported), their taxes will subtantially increase. Long Island needs some sanity and hopefully in the next few years, there will be some.
Jiffus

Brooklyn, NY

#3 Mar 8, 2009
Ross wrote:
Mr. Cohn's comment is obnoxious. I am in the private sector. I have taken a pay cut and I am a highly educated person (JD). I have to work 12 months a year and I am one of the lucky few who gets 3 weeks vacation, instead of 2 weeks. I have no pension, no 401K, just an IRA which is getting smaller each day. It is about time that we crack down on the education mafia. There should be no automatic step increases for longevity or extra education. Teachers and administrators should have to work 11 months a year for their salary or take a 10% pay cut and they should pay more for their ridiculous benefits. I pay nearly 10K in property taxes in Bellmore for a house that continues to decline in value. The Boards need to be tough in negotiations because double inflation rate tax increases can not continue. I have 2 kids in the school system, but if the Boards do not get control of their budgets, I will have to vote no each May until control is exercised. I love LI, but the middle class can't continue to take it in the chin, so that overpaid municipal workers can move into the upper class. At this rate, soon everybody will need to make 200K just to survive. The only good news with teachers making well into six figure salaries, is that 2 teachers in a family will soon be paying much more in income taxes because they will be making more than the vaunted $250K, and under their newly elected President (who the UFT strongly supported), their taxes will subtantially increase. Long Island needs some sanity and hopefully in the next few years, there will be some.
Don't waste your time on those posts. This guy is nothing more than a troll looking to incite people on these types of topics.
THE FRITO BANDITO

Hudson, FL

#4 Mar 8, 2009
Ross wrote:
Mr. Cohn's comment is obnoxious. I am in the private sector. I have taken a pay cut and I am a highly educated person (JD). I have to work 12 months a year and I am one of the lucky few who gets 3 weeks vacation, instead of 2 weeks. I have no pension, no 401K, just an IRA which is getting smaller each day. It is about time that we crack down on the education mafia. There should be no automatic step increases for longevity or extra education. Teachers and administrators should have to work 11 months a year for their salary or take a 10% pay cut and they should pay more for their ridiculous benefits. I pay nearly 10K in property taxes in Bellmore for a house that continues to decline in value. The Boards need to be tough in negotiations because double inflation rate tax increases can not continue. I have 2 kids in the school system, but if the Boards do not get control of their budgets, I will have to vote no each May until control is exercised. I love LI, but the middle class can't continue to take it in the chin, so that overpaid municipal workers can move into the upper class. At this rate, soon everybody will need to make 200K just to survive. The only good news with teachers making well into six figure salaries, is that 2 teachers in a family will soon be paying much more in income taxes because they will be making more than the vaunted $250K, and under their newly elected President (who the UFT strongly supported), their taxes will subtantially increase. Long Island needs some sanity and hopefully in the next few years, there will be some.
Boy you hit the nail on the head. We have to vote no until things hopefully get under control. Wonder what Irving does for a living. Me thinks a teacher.
mhmm

Highland, NY

#5 Mar 8, 2009
Irving Cohn wrote:
The school boards are elected by you and represent the taxpayer. Obviously, if the people keep electing them, they have no problem with the raises they impose.
By the way, why is it a crime for someone to make a living wage? Should every American feel guilty now for earning more than a Mexican day worker?
Sorry, but if you don't like it, you can elect different boards, or put in a resume. Become a teacher, a cop, a railroad conductor, a plumber, and electrician; they all make $100 -$200,000.
Sorry if you don't. You just went in the wrong door.
There lies the problem, this person SEES NOTHING WRONG with raping the taxpayer for getting paid what is clearly an excessive amount of money to do 10 months of work yet the salary reflects a FULL 12 months of work. THIS is what UNIONS do time and time again...and teachers like this just state their usual defense "become a teacher", "we deserve it" blah blah blah.

They have NO sense of what reality is and this is what is teaching our kids??????
mhmm

Highland, NY

#6 Mar 8, 2009
Not that voting NO will lower the budget, but honestly anyone that VOTES YES this year needs a mental evaluation. It is clear the vote means nothing, 56% of the budget goes to pay already over-paid teachers who work 10 months a year and have golden perks...yet, the only thing they cut if you vote NO is something visible...sports or extra-curricular...because of course, as you see the teachers get their MONEY NO MATTER WHAT. They could be a m*o*r*o*n like IRVING Cohn and still get raise because of their maffia unions.

It is beyond ludicrous, the school boards are as corrupt and in on the same game year after year and the Long Island Sheep go along with it...the only thing you can do is vote no, vote no on the re-vote and just do it year after year after year until they do something...at this point the system is well beyond broken and with teacher like the first poster just essentially saying F-you...what do you expect.
Ken

Homer, NE

#7 Mar 8, 2009
I think that most of the school boards have a majority of retired teachers on them and therin lies the cause of the generous contracts
Tom Mariner

Greenwich, CT

#8 Mar 8, 2009
How can one attack the best education for our children? All of the teachers I know are dedicated and competent -- just the type you would hope would inspire our next generations. They have achieved breathtaking compensation with solid job and retirement security.

But they are literally competing with private industry for their incomes. When the average take home exceeds what engineers or even lawyers make, it is time to pay attention. Throw in the crushing real estate tax, and it is time for drastic action.

The knee-jerk reaction is to simply vote to halve the cost of the teacher corps, but the fair thing to do is to bring the teachers and their administrators into the conversation. They are all smart, educated and can read the fury in the eyes of those who pay or lose their homes.

So Long Island educational establishment, here is your assignment, due next week: How do we roll back the real estate tax to 50% of what it is now? You really have to help us with this -- right now. Because if you don't, we are going to have our own "tea party", and that would be unfair in the opposite direction.
Enough

Germany

#9 Mar 8, 2009
mhmm wrote:
<quoted text>
There lies the problem, this person SEES NOTHING WRONG with raping the taxpayer for getting paid what is clearly an excessive amount of money to do 10 months of work yet the salary reflects a FULL 12 months of work. THIS is what UNIONS do time and time again...and teachers like this just state their usual defense "become a teacher", "we deserve it" blah blah blah.
They have NO sense of what reality is and this is what is teaching our kids??????
You are being too nice. How do you figure 10 months of work. With two+ month summer vacation, weeks off at christmas, february and april as well as every holiday imaginable they work less then 9 months. And that is not taking into account the fact that they work 6 hour days with lunch and free periods to boot.

And then they try to brainwash the kids as well, with their liberal agenda, totally misrepresenting the other side, as they push Obama and Al Sharpton to the hilt.

We all need to rise up and show the teachers and the politicians and board members that support this ripoff of the taxpayers that we have had enough.

Unions for public sector workers should be outlawed. No more set pensions guaranteed by the taxpayer. No more guaranteed rates of return. The teachers need to have 401k type plans just like the rest of us, guaranteed by themselves alone.

Any politician that does not stand up to the unions and do right by the people, needs to be eliminated.
You get what you pay for

Deer Park, NY

#10 Mar 8, 2009
OMG, I can't believe what I'm reading. How on earth would we get qualified, competent teachers without paying a good salary?
And the "6 hour days" are non-stop, always "on", managing a large group of not easy people, solving problems and conflicts, juggling all of the different types of personalities and figuring out how to get a group of children who learn differently to be able to comprehend the material being taught while keeping to their schedule and taking state test madates into consideration...
...and their "six hour day" is not over when the children get out. They have to grade papers, create lesson plans, deal with parent issues...I'm not even scratching the surface.
No, I am not a teacher, but I do have a child in Nassau County schools, and I don't want him being taught by anyone other than a well-paid individual who knows that they are being well-compensated for a very difficult, multi-level and time-consuming job.
Caveman

West Babylon, NY

#11 Mar 8, 2009
Ten months work? Try again. It's about 180 days total. Anyone else there work 180 days a year?(Other than cops that is - another scam.)
It's also a fallacy that more education leads to better teachers. Good teachers are the ones that relate to the kids; the amount of degrees they have beyond the minimum is immaterial. We've all had teachers with PHD's and Doctorates that drone on and lose the attention of everyone.
District employee salaries need to be put in the budget vote. The current system with school boards loaded with teachers or their relatives, clearly does not work. All it does is give teachers unfettered access to ridiculous raises, far in excess of the inflation rate.
Fire them all and start fresh.
Shlomo McGillicuddy

West Babylon, NY

#12 Mar 8, 2009
When a budget gets voted down it doesn't have an impact on teacher salaries. The salaries are not part of the budget.
Shlomo McGillicuddy

West Babylon, NY

#13 Mar 8, 2009
Caveman wrote:
Ten months work? Try again. It's about 180 days total. Anyone else there work 180 days a year?(Other than cops that is - another scam.)
It's also a fallacy that more education leads to better teachers. Good teachers are the ones that relate to the kids; the amount of degrees they have beyond the minimum is immaterial. We've all had teachers with PHD's and Doctorates that drone on and lose the attention of everyone.
District employee salaries need to be put in the budget vote. The current system with school boards loaded with teachers or their relatives, clearly does not work. All it does is give teachers unfettered access to ridiculous raises, far in excess of the inflation rate.
Fire them all and start fresh.
I work 249 days a year.
Mineola Kid

United States

#14 Mar 8, 2009
The sky is the limit for the children.
too much

Great Neck, NY

#15 Mar 8, 2009
"You get what you pay for" I guess that means that if you are a teacher, you deserve what you earn. Not so. Teachers don't earn raises like in the private sector, they demand them, through their unions. Bad teachers are rewarded along with the good ones.

"How on earth would we get qualified, competent teachers without paying a good salary?" Don't teachers always say that they don't go into it for the money, but for the kids.

"And the "6 hour days" are non-stop, always "on", managing a large group of not easy people, solving problems and conflicts, juggling all of the different types of personalities." I wish my day was only 6 hours non-stop. My work day is 9-10 hours long, 5 days a week with no pension & no health benefits. And I have to manage & juggle it all because everyone else way laid off.

"They have to grade papers, create lesson plans, deal with parent issues...I'm not even scratching the surface." Really, is that so. Only teachers work more than 6 hours a day. Wow.

"No, I am not a teacher, but I do have a child in Nassau County schools, and I don't want him being taught by anyone other than a well-paid individual who knows that they are being well-compensated for a very difficult, multi-level and time-consuming job." You can pay my high taxes along with yours.

Give the teachers a special tax to pay, make it so that anyone in a union has to pay 15% of their gross salary towards setting up a guaranteed pension systems for private sector workers. We work hard. We deserve it.
Teacher

Brooklyn, NY

#16 Mar 8, 2009
I cannot believe at the comments being passed on teachers by people that have no idea what the job of a teacher actually entails. Teachers do not work 10 months a years, 6 hours a day with lunch periods and free periods. What most people do not realize is that teaching is a job that lasts from about 7/8 am to 7/8 pm. Teachers jobs don't end when the bell rings at three to go home. Teachers have to lesson plan, grade, call students homes, and attend meetings amongst countless other responsibilities. How many other professions require you to take work home with you for the night or on weekends. Most people leave their jobs at the workplace - teachers don't. Teachers are also have to maintain very rigorous professional standards to keep their jobs. Lawyers, doctors and financial wizards are not the only ones that need continued professional development. Teachers are also "on" for the hours they are in the school. Any other professional should try spending even half the time in the shoes of a teacher who has to teach 200 teenagers a day. Teenagers who have no respect or appreciation for an education. An attitude that they get from people with negative attitudes and views about teachers. To finish my rant, next time you want to complain about a teacher making a high salary (which is not true in all districts and parts of NY), where would you be if you didn't have at least that one qualified teacher.
Another opinion

Tenafly, NJ

#17 Mar 8, 2009
too much wrote:
"You get what you pay for" I guess that means that if you are a teacher, you deserve what you earn. Not so. Teachers don't earn raises like in the private sector, they demand them, through their unions. Bad teachers are rewarded along with the good ones.
"How on earth would we get qualified, competent teachers without paying a good salary?" Don't teachers always say that they don't go into it for the money, but for the kids.
"And the "6 hour days" are non-stop, always "on", managing a large group of not easy people, solving problems and conflicts, juggling all of the different types of personalities." I wish my day was only 6 hours non-stop. My work day is 9-10 hours long, 5 days a week with no pension & no health benefits. And I have to manage & juggle it all because everyone else way laid off.
"They have to grade papers, create lesson plans, deal with parent issues...I'm not even scratching the surface." Really, is that so. Only teachers work more than 6 hours a day. Wow.
"No, I am not a teacher, but I do have a child in Nassau County schools, and I don't want him being taught by anyone other than a well-paid individual who knows that they are being well-compensated for a very difficult, multi-level and time-consuming job." You can pay my high taxes along with yours.
Give the teachers a special tax to pay, make it so that anyone in a union has to pay 15% of their gross salary towards setting up a guaranteed pension systems for private sector workers. We work hard. We deserve it.
"How on earth would we get qualified, competent teachers without paying a good salary?" Don't teachers always say that they don't go into it for the money, but for the kids.

Yes, they do go into it for the kids -- the good ones at least. Does that mean they shouldn't ALSO make a good salary? One precludes the other? Really?

"And the "6 hour days" are non-stop, always "on", managing a large group of not easy people, solving problems and conflicts, juggling all of the different types of personalities." I wish my day was only 6 hours non-stop. My work day is 9-10 hours long, 5 days a week with no pension & no health benefits. And I have to manage & juggle it all because everyone else way laid off.

More like seven OF the hours are nonstop. It's NOT a seven-hour day. Nowhere near it.

"They have to grade papers, create lesson plans, deal with parent issues...I'm not even scratching the surface." Really, is that so. Only teachers work more than 6 hours a day. Wow.

Someone said that it was ONLY teachers who worked more than six hours? Where? No, they didn't. They just pointed out the lie in the fact that OTHER people claim that six hours is ALL teachers work when it ISN'T.

And guess what: teachers pay taxes, too. They're not living in an immunity bubble to the problems everyone else is facing. When taxes go up, they're also paying them.
too much

Great Neck, NY

#18 Mar 8, 2009
One reason for the faculty squeeze is that a nurse with a graduate degree needed to teach can earn more as a practicing nurse, about $82,000, than teaching, about $68,000.
broke

Elizabeth, NJ

#19 Mar 8, 2009
Teacher wrote:
I cannot believe at the comments being passed on teachers by people that have no idea what the job of a teacher actually entails. Teachers do not work 10 months a years, 6 hours a day with lunch periods and free periods. What most people do not realize is that teaching is a job that lasts from about 7/8 am to 7/8 pm. Teachers jobs don't end when the bell rings at three to go home. Teachers have to lesson plan, grade, call students homes, and attend meetings amongst countless other responsibilities. How many other professions require you to take work home with you for the night or on weekends. Most people leave their jobs at the workplace - teachers don't. Teachers are also have to maintain very rigorous professional standards to keep their jobs. Lawyers, doctors and financial wizards are not the only ones that need continued professional development. Teachers are also "on" for the hours they are in the school. Any other professional should try spending even half the time in the shoes of a teacher who has to teach 200 teenagers a day. Teenagers who have no respect or appreciation for an education. An attitude that they get from people with negative attitudes and views about teachers. To finish my rant, next time you want to complain about a teacher making a high salary (which is not true in all districts and parts of NY), where would you be if you didn't have at least that one qualified teacher.
I don't have any issue with teachers. I do have an issue with anyone who thinks they are above the economy right now. Many have lost their jobs, gotten no raises. They can barely put food on the table. These are unprecidented times.

People should be banning TOGETHER!!!!!

All I read was that teachers on average just received an 8% raise - paid by people who cannot put food on the table.

Food is more important than a raise right now.

Just a thought - would you be willing to a pay freeze? Would you recommend that to your school? That is a win win for everyone

No teachers lose their job
No taxes will go up this year
It might help someone stay in their home

All I have read is schools are taking raises that are 3 times the cost of living, getting a stimulus package, asking people who make over $250K to pay more, AND I HAVE SEEN MANY SCHOOLS PROPOSING BUDGETS THIS YEAR THAT ARE DOUBLE DIGITS!!!!

I am not knocking your job. What I cannot listen to is anyone who thinks they are above their neighbor right now. What happened to decency, integrity, and looking out for one another.

A school in riverhead is taking a pay freeze. They said to NOT do that would be arrogant and an insult to the constituents who pay their salaries.

I don't think anyone should bash a teacher. I DO THINK we should ask teachers to help solve the problem. School taxes are a huge % of a person's taxes. It's time to curb spending. The days of getting 10% increases in state aid are over. It's just not sustainable. It's not an insult to teachers. There is just NO MONEY left!!!!

Let's start hearing some rational ways to SAVE money instead of arguing. If someone insults your profession, rise above and find creative ways to save taxpayer dollars. You work for the public so ufnortunately, the public has a voice!
Timmy O Toole

Elizabeth, NJ

#21 Mar 8, 2009
and its not 10 months,,its 9 months of hardley working.

Dont forget thanksgiving recess, christmass recess, winter recess and spring recess
Another opinion

Tenafly, NJ

#22 Mar 8, 2009
broke wrote:
<quoted text>I don't have any issue with teachers. I do have an issue with anyone who thinks they are above the economy right now. Many have lost their jobs, gotten no raises. They can barely put food on the table. These are unprecidented times.
People should be banning TOGETHER!!!!!
All I read was that teachers on average just received an 8% raise - paid by people who cannot put food on the table.
Food is more important than a raise right now.
Just a thought - would you be willing to a pay freeze? Would you recommend that to your school? That is a win win for everyone
No teachers lose their job
No taxes will go up this year
It might help someone stay in their home
All I have read is schools are taking raises that are 3 times the cost of living, getting a stimulus package, asking people who make over $250K to pay more, AND I HAVE SEEN MANY SCHOOLS PROPOSING BUDGETS THIS YEAR THAT ARE DOUBLE DIGITS!!!!
I am not knocking your job. What I cannot listen to is anyone who thinks they are above their neighbor right now. What happened to decency, integrity, and looking out for one another.
A school in riverhead is taking a pay freeze. They said to NOT do that would be arrogant and an insult to the constituents who pay their salaries.
I don't think anyone should bash a teacher. I DO THINK we should ask teachers to help solve the problem. School taxes are a huge % of a person's taxes. It's time to curb spending. The days of getting 10% increases in state aid are over. It's just not sustainable. It's not an insult to teachers. There is just NO MONEY left!!!!
Let's start hearing some rational ways to SAVE money instead of arguing. If someone insults your profession, rise above and find creative ways to save taxpayer dollars. You work for the public so ufnortunately, the public has a voice!
I 100% agree with you. This is a time when we need to help each other.

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