VFW members in court to support club manager

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Gambling problems: The VFW Post 1599 is one of two veterans clubs that was slapped with gaming violation charges in the countys magisterial district court system early last year.

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chugalug

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Jan 30, 2010
 
Not So wrote:
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Please remember that the majority of the members in most of these clubs are not VETS, but social members.
you are absolutely right majority are boys that want dollar beers and cheap food. that is why there are always problems with fights, too many drunk country boys causing a stir over their girl or chevy.
Al Grundy

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old timer wrote:
<quoted text>Sit at the VFW and count games this weekend, you will be sick. The board orders Hershey to do what he does, arrest them next time.
Hey Oldtimer..... The VFW can't sell the games if the patrons don't buy them. IF no one played, the VFW wouldn't sell nearly the amount. So if people want to play the games....why stop them. I can go sit at a slot machine for hours upon hours and win hundreds of dollars and there wouldn't be a single legal action against the casino. And I was just playing one machine. Think of the thousands of machines they have at the casino. Not all of them are winners, but a lot of them. AND where does the casino's money go?.....try to answer that question truthfully! Now let's look at where the VFW's money goes to.... The Chambersburg Police Department has never paid for a K-9 dog. Why you might ask? Because they've all been donated by the local clubs. That has saved the tax payers about $100,000.00. About $10,000.00 per dog over the years. What about the radios that the police use. About $1000.00 each. Donated. Now there are 34 full time officers with about eight or nine part time officers. A radio for each. Around $44,000.00. Now those are the only two donations I will speak of for now. But look at the estimated total...$144,000.00. That's money that the taxpayers of Chambersburg don't have to spend because it has been donated. That's a lot of money. I don't know if you, Old Timer, are in support of the clubs, or the small games of chance, but, the clubs help the community. The VFW lays to rest our veterans. How can you put a price tag on that. That costs money.....and they do it with pride. Let's have some respect for what the clubs stand for.
Al Grundy

Carlisle, PA

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Club Member wrote:
I'm torn on this issue. As far as the alleged violations go, the VFW is obviously guilty as sin. But these rules/regulations just don't seem right. The club uses the money it makes from small games of chance to fund itself. The manager isn't pocketing it and taking a vacation to the Bahamas. These clubs to so much for our community. Then sponsor/fund youth sports, they put up money for police dogs, etc.
The small games of chance featured at the clubs are a rip off beyond belief, but people still love to play them. I feel like if people want to blow their hard earned money on fish bowl tickets, then that's their prerogative.
Club Member, I do agree with some of your comments, but must correct one that the small games of chance do not keep the club running. Those funds do not go to pay the bills. That money goes to pay charities....donations and the such. Money to run the club comes from food sales, membership dues, liquor/beer sales. The problem is that if you take away the liqour/beer license, no one will go in to just eat if they can't have a beer or two. Some people go to just play the bowls. I saw it when they didn't have any out. There wasn't anyone there! The club draws people in with the bowls. People like to play them. I agree that the laws are what they are and should be followed. Doesn't mean I agree with them. BUT, you need to know about where the money goes so that folks don't get the wrong information and base opinions on wrong information. Our community needs these clubs! Trust me!
usaf vet

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I think you all should think about this! every every day these clubs support the habit of drunks.. most, not all! But most! people that show up at these clubs every day when they open break the law.. they drink and drive. most when our children are traveling home from school.... drunks like cheap places to drink and smoke!!!!! if you were to let the clubs gamble all they wanted to and not allow the sell of beer or liquor. these clubs would fold up over a very short time... yes they do provide services for veterans... but the bottom line thing in these clubs is cheap booze!!! its bad enough that the social members use these places.. but hey act like they own them.....
Combat Vet

Carnegie, PA

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I paid for a life membership to my VFW but I haven't been back for three years. Why? Because there were so many social members, I couldn't even get a chair at the bar and get served. So I get my booze at the PX and drink at home. Screw the VFW and Legion.
Combat Vet

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Two years ago, I wanted to go to my American Legion and watch the Army-Navy Game. But the Pitt game was on and the manager wanted to watch Pitt and not Army-Navy. I never went back and let my membership expire. Screw the VFW and Legion.
1294carl

Shippensburg, PA

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#33
Jan 30, 2010
 
We need the Legislation passed to up the limits on the amount of money a club can give away. There are clubs with a 1,000 members or more that will fall in violation of this law within one day. Contact your State Legislator and let them know that you are in favor of changing this law.

Since: Sep 09

Chambersburg, PA

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Big Dog wrote:
The limit of $5000.00 is way out of touch. Heck just last week the clubs in mercersburg were shut down for a week because of the same thing. Next step is 30 days. I bet if Spendell was getting a cut from the jars it would make it all better.
You forget Spendell doesn't like the military or VET's. We are evil people in his eyes. He is probably the one that send the PSP after them.

Since: Sep 09

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Jan 30, 2010
 
usaf vet wrote:
I think you all should think about this! every every day these clubs support the habit of drunks.. most, not all! But most! people that show up at these clubs every day when they open break the law.. they drink and drive. most when our children are traveling home from school.... drunks like cheap places to drink and smoke!!!!! if you were to let the clubs gamble all they wanted to and not allow the sell of beer or liquor. these clubs would fold up over a very short time... yes they do provide services for veterans... but the bottom line thing in these clubs is cheap booze!!! its bad enough that the social members use these places.. but hey act like they own them.....
from you id it looks like you are a air force vet. i guess you don't get out very much. If you want to see drunks you should look at the local bars. School teachers, judges, lawyers, doctors and john q public sit in the Cottage, dillys etc. all the time and yes they leave there drunk and drive home. there is more of them than there are vet's out there on the raods.
Buckwheater

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Jan 31, 2010
 
Do they still have the downstairs bar at the vets? It's been awhile since I've been there but, the time I was there, the booze was flowing very freely and the gambling was non stop.
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usaf vet wrote:
I think you all should think about this! every every day these clubs support the habit of drunks.. most, not all! But most! people that show up at these clubs every day when they open break the law.. they drink and drive. most when our children are traveling home from school.... drunks like cheap places to drink and smoke!!!!! if you were to let the clubs gamble all they wanted to and not allow the sell of beer or liquor. these clubs would fold up over a very short time... yes they do provide services for veterans... but the bottom line thing in these clubs is cheap booze!!! its bad enough that the social members use these places.. but hey act like they own them.....
You know what usaf vet...I agree with you. They do have cheap drinks and food. Cheaper than the bars and resturaunts in the area. AND I agree that people go in the places and get trashed. I don't agree with that! But, the clubs still have a great impact on our community. I want my vets to be honored and respected! The vets clubs is a place where they can still go and be together and be honored...even after they pass on. USAF VET...thanks for your service to this country.
little boo peep

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Feb 1, 2010
 
fake id wrote:
Two points can be seen here. First, attorneys are two faced. Redding can run for office to uphold the law but now is getting paid to fight for one side. Second, the law is the law... these club managers need fired and prosecuted... They should campaign to have the law changed to support their efforts, but can not take the law into their own hands... Jesh, didn't any of these folks ever watch People's Court and listen to Doug Llewelyn, "Don't take the law into your own hands, you take them to court." P.S. I'm still waiting for my rebate for my dues to the Legion for allowing the club to shut down in which I could not visit... On the bright side, thanks for the very cheap buffett of crab legs, ribs, wings, shrimp, etc. when you had to clean out the cooler. The Legion and VFW are great clubs, just run them with responsible non gready people.
A couple things: First, a criminal was elected as District Judge to uphold the law. Second, Redding is working to change the law as you suggest in your post is the way to address this issue. Third, the VFW is campaigning to change the law. Fourth, you are an idiot.
fake id

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Feb 1, 2010
 
little boo peep wrote:
<quoted text>A couple things: First, a criminal was elected as District Judge to uphold the law. Second, Redding is working to change the law as you suggest in your post is the way to address this issue. Third, the VFW is campaigning to change the law. Fourth, you are an idiot.
Ouch, sticks and stones... you just proved my point. If the VFW knows that it needs to campaign to change the law. They blatantlly knew what they were doing was wrong. Thus, the management should be held responsible for permitting unlawful activities. Furthermore, for the disservice they have done to this veterns club for their negligent acts that permitted this.
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Feb 2, 2010
 
VFW Member wrote:
<quoted text>Do you belong to the VFW? If not ..BUTT OUT.
I need an honest answer, do the bar tenders get to share a monetary amount for each bowl that goes off. If so, I wouldn't say that is for charity and community organizations. All I'm saying is that the clubs need to operate on the level. They need to honest upright groups totally, then they would have more substance when they actually do contact a senator or representative to aid them in changing the regulations. Otherwise, they already took the wind out of their own sails.
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Mar 28, 2013
 
Folks, the VFW clubs are cash cows.

When a 3 time DUI offender can serve as the Quartermaster, the Bar manager, and a bartender, you know money is missing.

The VFW posts I was a lifetime member of, hardly handed out money to veterans organizations, yet they all drove nice new SUV's.

I can't imagine how a post can lose money on annual BBq's on the books. Where does $3000 go after expenses?
No-one audits these places like they should, and yes, bartenders take $80 cash out of the till each night for their shift, plus tips. And we all know it gets reported, NOT.

The American Legion is a better organization.
THE LARD

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dnkldorf wrote:
Folks, the VFW clubs are cash cows.
When a 3 time DUI offender can serve as the Quartermaster, the Bar manager, and a bartender, you know money is missing.
The VFW posts I was a lifetime member of, hardly handed out money to veterans organizations, yet they all drove nice new SUV's.
I can't imagine how a post can lose money on annual BBq's on the books. Where does $3000 go after expenses?
No-one audits these places like they should, and yes, bartenders take $80 cash out of the till each night for their shift, plus tips. And we all know it gets reported, NOT.
The American Legion is a better organization.
Im sick of these clubs/groups trying to bribe our local municipal govts into taking one action or another.

Latest example - The SET Team...Chambersburg's "SWAT" team...

"The outreach to make a regional team has not just been to other municipalities. Chambersburg Moose Lodge 842 presented a $2,500 donation at a March 11 meeting of Borough Council in support of the team. Other support for the development of a regional team includes a $10,000 donation from the Home Association of Charles M. Nitterhouse Post 1599 Veterans of Foreign Wars and $5,000 from the Home Association of AMVETS Post 224, both in Chambersburg."

http://www.publicopiniononline.com/portal/lat...

We cannot allow these groups to circumvent due process!

Looks like bribery to me - plain and simple...!
Really

Chambersburg, PA

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Mar 28, 2013
 
THE LARD wrote:
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Im sick of these clubs/groups trying to bribe our local municipal govts into taking one action or another.
Latest example - The SET Team...Chambersburg's "SWAT" team...
"The outreach to make a regional team has not just been to other municipalities. Chambersburg Moose Lodge 842 presented a $2,500 donation at a March 11 meeting of Borough Council in support of the team. Other support for the development of a regional team includes a $10,000 donation from the Home Association of Charles M. Nitterhouse Post 1599 Veterans of Foreign Wars and $5,000 from the Home Association of AMVETS Post 224, both in Chambersburg."
http://www.publicopiniononline.com/portal/lat...
We cannot allow these groups to circumvent due process!
Looks like bribery to me - plain and simple...!
Says the Fayetteville hick

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