State patrol fee?

There are 44 comments on the Evening Sun story from Jul 1, 2009, titled State patrol fee?. In it, Evening Sun reports that:

Pennsylvania municipalities without full-time police forces would have to pay for the state troopers who patrol their streets under a bill that a state House committee narrowly passed Wednesday.

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Since: Jun 09

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#1 Jul 2, 2009
The state government shaking down the townships...what else is new? So where is the money supposed to come from that the municipalities are supposed to pay the state? Why us of course, through more taxes, to the tune of $156 per resident.
Germany Township Resident

Ponchatoula, LA

#2 Jul 2, 2009
so are they going to be taxing us twice now for their services since we already pay for them in our state taxes? Hope response time improves! There were accidents down near the maryland line that took them almost 25 minutes to get there and they got lost coming to my house one time for a simple theft report. I live right on rt 97 but yet the officer couldn't fine the house and had to call me for directions because they were not use to this area to patrol. Good Luck PA State Police!
Mythoughts

United States

#3 Jul 2, 2009
the problem is, you have townships such as Straban, that has residential, commerical, large influx of traffic, etc., letting their bank account get bigger and bigger, but rely on the State for police protection for free (this is not a slame on the state, they are stretched way to thin as it is now). This is what is hurting the Commonwealth of PA, and why they are making this proposal.

People need to wake up, it is only going to get worse around here!!!

Since: Jun 09

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#4 Jul 2, 2009
Mythoughts wrote:
the problem is, you have townships such as Straban, that has residential, commerical, large influx of traffic, etc., letting their bank account get bigger and bigger, but rely on the State for police protection for free (this is not a slame on the state, they are stretched way to thin as it is now). This is what is hurting the Commonwealth of PA, and why they are making this proposal.
People need to wake up, it is only going to get worse around here!!!
So, it's O.K. with you that the state wants the rural townships to pay for the regular State Police speed traps that we see up and down Route 15 between the Maryland State Line and York Springs? I just saw a trooper on Saturday (near the outlet mall exit) sitting in the median behind a small hill with his radar out, doing nothing else but playing gotcha with southbound motorists. I really do not want to pay for THAT twice (first through state taxes and now through increased township taxes if this gets through the Senate).
margie

Mardela Springs, MD

#5 Jul 2, 2009
youve gotta be kidding, you want to double tax certain municipalities, our state taxes already provide for the state police!!! THIS IS CALLED DOUBLE TAXATION!!!
Wake up

Philadelphia, PA

#6 Jul 2, 2009
and quit your whining. PSP primarily patrols the turnpike and other major highways. It's not playing "gotcha", it's called enforcing the law. While a portion of your taxes go to fund PSP, it's not nearly enough to make them a replacement for local policing. My township voted to disband their police force and now we pay Northern Regional for local policing. As the old saying goes, if you wanna dance, you've gotta pay the band.

Since: Jun 09

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#7 Jul 2, 2009
Wake up wrote:
and quit your whining. PSP primarily patrols the turnpike and other major highways. It's not playing "gotcha", it's called enforcing the law.
Nooooooo...hide-and-seek with motorists is NOT patrolling and is NOT enforcement. It's called revenue generation for the state, and is one of the reasons no one respects LEOs anymore.

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#8 Jul 2, 2009
Wake up wrote:
As the old saying goes, if you wanna dance, you've gotta pay the band.
...and I don't want to dance, so I'm not going to pay for it.
bob

York, PA

#9 Jul 2, 2009
The problem is that larger municipalities that SHOULD be paying for a police force don't have to: they take state police protection instead. This results in a huge strain on state police manpower. The idea of the tax is to persuade these large townships to get thier own police force so there are more troopers for the smaller townships.

A similar bill a few years ago ONLY assessed the tax if the township had a certain population density. That bill never made it.
Say What

Reading, PA

#10 Jul 2, 2009
Jonah Hex wrote:
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Nooooooo...hide-and-seek with motorists is NOT patrolling and is NOT enforcement. It's called revenue generation for the state, and is one of the reasons no one respects LEOs anymore.
You're a moron!!!

It's not hide & seek and it most definately is ENFORCEMENT of the LAW!!!

How much of a citation do you actually think goes to the state or the township?

You, ONCE again have clearly demonstrated you have a grudge against police and AUTHORITY, grow up!!
Bob

Canton, OH

#11 Jul 2, 2009
In lieu of the fee the Troopers will accept the dunkin donuts 13 for 12 offer.
C J Hemler

AOL

#12 Jul 2, 2009
It's about time the "free loaders" pay for services !

Since: Jun 09

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#13 Jul 2, 2009
Say What wrote:
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You're a moron!!!
It's not hide & seek and it most definately is ENFORCEMENT of the LAW!!!
How much of a citation do you actually think goes to the state or the township?
You, ONCE again have clearly demonstrated you have a grudge against police and AUTHORITY, grow up!!
Nope, the whole "gotcha" thing is a revenue scam, both at the state and local levels. You're the moron for blindly accepting the speed traps.
big brothers myth buster

Scranton, PA

#14 Jul 2, 2009
The primary role of law enforcement is to serve and protect... NOT to bully and harass... its due to this change that cops are looked down on by many now, especially youth. Respect is a two way street. Just because you put a pretty costume on and shinny metal badge on your shirt by itself does not and should not by itself command respect.

Those in law enforcement or any other branch of govt. are called "public servants" NOT masters.

Read the constitution and declaration of independence.

"All power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority and instituted for their peace, safety and happiness..."
-Pa Constitution, Article 2

Law enforcement needs to RETURN to the proper concept of SERVE and PROTECT.

I've worked in the public and private sector (law) for over 10 years and I've always dedicated myself to integrity and keeping my actions in line with the public trust and constitution. This should be the norm.
Say What

Reading, PA

#15 Jul 2, 2009
Jonah Hex wrote:
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Nope, the whole "gotcha" thing is a revenue scam, both at the state and local levels. You're the moron for blindly accepting the speed traps.
You're the moron for actually believing PSP and majority of other PD's make money from "speed traps."

The fine is a very small portion of the entire cost of the citation.

Then you factor in the costs involved in enforcement, equipment etc, they're not making anything and that does not factor in the costs if the defendant calls for a hearing!!!!

Call your local Magistrate and ask them how much and where it all goes, you'd be surprised!!!

Since: Jun 09

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#16 Jul 2, 2009
Say What wrote:
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You're the moron for actually believing PSP and majority of other PD's make money from "speed traps."
The fine is a very small portion of the entire cost of the citation.
Then you factor in the costs involved in enforcement, equipment etc, they're not making anything and that does not factor in the costs if the defendant calls for a hearing!!!!
Call your local Magistrate and ask them how much and where it all goes, you'd be surprised!!!
Yeah right! Speeding tickets don't generate any revenue. That's pretty funny! You expect us to believe THAT nonsense? For tickets to not be such a big source of income for the government, I sure do see a lot of LEOs hiding in tall weed patches, doing nothing more than sitting there and pointing their radars at passing motorists. Shouldn't they be out doing something more constructive, like actually patrolling?

I bet you're a LEO.
local

Chambersburg, PA

#17 Jul 2, 2009
Residents with a local dept. are helping to pay for PSP coverage in those municipalities that rely solely on PSP. It is a known fact PSP does not frequently patrol areas with local depts. And calls for service: burglary, accidents, etc. are handled by the local dept. State only answers those types of calls where there is no local dept. Those with local depts. don't get a reduction in state taxes, so they are truly paying twice and receiving little or no service from PSP. ALL municipalities should have a local dept., with assistance from PSP. Local depts. learn to know the residents,businesses and area very well. The State keeps cutting troopers (especially in this area). Typically there is only 2 or 3 on the street at a time for all of Adams County. Others may be on duty during daytime, but are not patrolling or answering calls for service. PSP calls on the local depts. to handle things for them "until they get there" in areas with no local dept. This is really unfair to the taxpayers of those local depts. Now their police are answering calls for residents how brag how low their taxes are since they don't "need a local police dept." It's about time the State puts the burden where it belongs!
willing taxpayer

Chambersburg, PA

#18 Jul 2, 2009
My municipality does not have a local department. I have requested them numerous times to look into one. They say we don't need it. In 15 years, I have made 4 calls for police. Only 1 time did PSP show up and that was for an accident at my neighbor's. 1 time they called me back 5 hours later to see if they were still needed. Another time we were told to come to the barracks if we wanted to file a theft report. 10 minutes after that phone call we saw a PSP cruiser go past the house. I would gladly pay higher LOCAL tax for our own department.
taxpayer17325

Scranton, PA

#19 Jul 2, 2009
This is not going to be popular with "the people" in PSP primary covered lands because, in reality, if they wanted local cops they would have local cops. Some of the "good ole boys" just do not want local police regardless of price (excuse).

Consider this; little Bendersville boro with pop. 500-550 can afford to pay a part-time police force but large townships like Menallen and Straban cannot? The problem with the current system is that it depends on local elected official to accurately assess the protective needs of the municipality. The local electorate probably erroniously belives that PSP will always be there to do a good job no matter what the state budget allows. This is extremely narrow minded thinking. No money no services.

The state must come up with a basic formula to determine (based on population) protective needs. For example, like when Adams County "graduated" from a 6th class county to a 5th class we have a new 4th judge in 2010 and other expanding offices etc. The same should be applied to local townships and boroughs police coverage to begin paying their fair share.

The townships and boroughs that already have thier own local police can afford it so maybe contracting with them to provide coverage is a better alternative than paying extra for PSP. Also the vice versa if a muni doesn't want local coverage they pay extra for primary PSP coverage. It is really not that hard of a concept to understand.

If people are getting this mad about $150 a person for PSP primary coverage I won't even get into the bill that would be due when we have to pay full-time firefighters (another day not so far in the future IMHO).
Not Interested

Dickerson, MD

#20 Jul 2, 2009
I am not interested in paying per person for PSP coverage. I have had PSP coverage for 25 years. They come when called, unless they can get out of it, sometimes up to 3 hours later. In 25 years, we have called 3 times. They don't have the resources with an interstate running through the county and only having several cars out. They don't enforce ordinances, parking - burning, curfew, and all the nuisance things a municipal dept can, and they don't have the manpower to patrol. They are reactive - not proactive. Its not their fault. PSP is a professional agency and most of the troopers are squared away. If they arent on a call, they are running radar.

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