Zimmerman judge won't allow voice experts.

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The Man

Merchantville, NJ

#1 Jun 23, 2013
The judge won't allow voice experts. The states case against Zimmerman is falling apart. They were counting on their experts to say it was Trayvon screaming in the background on the 911 call.

Since: Apr 12

Monroeville, PA

#2 Jun 23, 2013
The Man wrote:
The judge won't allow voice experts. The states case against Zimmerman is falling apart. They were counting on their experts to say it was Trayvon screaming in the background on the 911 call.
is it really necessary to make a new thread for every little update of this trial? It really isn't that big a deal. To be honest, I think you might be the only one of us on this forum actively watching for every detail if this trial. Just wait for the results like everyone else, or at least keep to a single thread and stop cluttering the board with the exact same topic over and over... lol not that much else is bring posted...
bill

Merchantville, NJ

#3 Jun 23, 2013
When your people riot over the not guilty verdict we will see how much of a deal it is,......

Since: Apr 12

Monroeville, PA

#4 Jun 23, 2013
bill wrote:
When your people riot over the not guilty verdict we will see how much of a deal it is,......
And if that does happen, one of you will post about it commenting on the racial aspects, I'll add my 2 cents about how stupid the whole thing is... enemy combatant will call you racist, and Jersey boy will likely bring Obama into the conversation. Same as always.
bill

Merchantville, NJ

#5 Jun 23, 2013
Then you will explain how insurance should cover your sisters fertilization treatment while she is collecting a disability check.

Since: Apr 12

Monroeville, PA

#6 Jun 23, 2013
bill wrote:
Then you will explain how insurance should cover your sisters fertilization treatment while she is collecting a disability check.
that's unrelated... But what do you understand of what i was asking for? you act like I was asking for it to be completely free. Or asking for something that isn't offered in other states. It wasn't even a coverage option she could pay for. Asking for the coverage option to be made available for purchase from the companies was it. But no, all you pulled from it "what's that someone wants something? Why they muSt be a moocher! She's on disability? Who cars if it's a temporary medical situation that she's planned on resolving (and has) and will soon be returning to the work force by starting her own business... Or that she Wanted to start planning future parenthood to find that her insurance that she pays into won't help her with it. She's nothing but a leech, reaching for MY pocket!" Because every hardworking person who is in a bit of a hiccup is the same as any lower class leech not contributing to society and is completely undeserving of any help in hopeful planning of an improved future for themselves. Oh wait everything comes from out of your pocket... I forgot.... Excuse me for wanting to help my older sister be able to buy something legally in her state.

Oh yeah but that's off topic. So I wouldn't go into that during the conversation over the trial results.
Andy from Moorestown

Brooklyn, NY

#7 Jun 24, 2013
The Man wrote:
The judge won't allow voice experts. The states case against Zimmerman is falling apart. They were counting on their experts to say it was Trayvon screaming in the background on the 911 call.
the jury will hear the screams of a child just before he is murdered in cold blood. Zimmerman will now have to prove to the jury that he killed in self defense, which means he will stand before the jury.
bill

Cherry Hill, NJ

#8 Jun 24, 2013
Andy from Moorestown wrote:
<quoted text> the jury will hear the screams of a child just before he is murdered in cold blood. Zimmerman will now have to prove to the jury that he killed in self defense, which means he will stand before the jury.
Yes the screams of the little baby faced boy that we all were shown. But not the thuggy suspended from school pot smoking 6 foot tall gangsta wanna be...
bill

Cherry Hill, NJ

#9 Jun 24, 2013
I guess he banged his own head against the cement and broke his own nose then.

Since: Apr 12

Monroeville, PA

#10 Jun 24, 2013
Andy from Moorestown wrote:
<quoted text> the jury will hear the screams of a child just before he is murdered in cold blood. Zimmerman will now have to prove to the jury that he killed in self defense, which means he will stand before the jury.
Meh. It doesn't seem like cold blood so much as paranoia. I can't see him getting more than 3rd degree or involuntary manslaughter. They're trying to pin him with intent for a 2nd degree charge. Whatever... Fact remains he killed a person though.
bill

Cherry Hill, NJ

#11 Jun 25, 2013
Haruko57 wrote:
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Meh. It doesn't seem like cold blood so much as paranoia. I can't see him getting more than 3rd degree or involuntary manslaughter. They're trying to pin him with intent for a 2nd degree charge. Whatever... Fact remains he killed a person though.
Fact remains he defended himself from someone who was beating him senseless.
Steve

Bronx, NY

#12 Jun 25, 2013
bill wrote:
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Fact remains he defended himself from someone who was beating him senseless.
LMAO!!! Zimmerman doesn't stand a chance, he has a council of clowns and a story only a fool would believe. Hell, even Mark Furhman doubts his story now and that dude hates black people more than you.

Since: Apr 12

Riverside, NJ

#13 Jun 25, 2013
bill wrote:
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Fact remains he defended himself from someone who was beating him senseless.
Still doesn't change the fact that he killed someone, in a situation he wouldn't have been in if he'd have followed directions in the first place.. a situation that seems to me was caused by stupidity and paranoia of both involved. Killing someone can't be easy on the psyche, whether you believe it was justified or not... It's not like he's disciplined and trained to kill... he's just a licensed civilian, who, as far as I know, has never killed anyone before... I personally believe, that letting someone walk away with his gun after something like that is dangerous. Not to mention my belief that no matter what the situation, there should be some consequence for ending another human life. All I ever wanted was a simple low-level charge... for him to lose his gun for a little bit while he goes to therapy and psychological evaluation to make sure he can still have it... Even more so after the incident went worldwide and he, along with his family had to deal with the all of this unnecessary drama. There's almost no way he's coming out of all of this psychologically unscathed. Then, after a few months, he'd get a bill of clean health, his gun back, and he'd move on with his life... that's all I was ever after. But... unfortunately people are always SO extra about stuff like this... People started shouting about race, and if he were black, he'd be rotting in jail... Someone went and released that audio of him calling the kid a "coon" just to stoke the fires... People began organizing protests and wearing hoodies everywhere to make a point...

And another thing, I'm all for showing support for the poor dumb kid... but it's not like he wasn't partially (A very small part) at fault... while he had done nothing wrong at first, he still made the stupid, paranoia-based move of confronting a strange and suspicious man who'd been following him. He should have just stayed on the phone with his friend and continued on like he didn't notice, and kept his friend up to date on his location as he was walking, so if things still happened, she'd know where to send the police... but no... stupid teens will be stupid teens... and this one chose to confront the suspicious character and probably made the first move before he could be attacked. While I can understand the need to put out the message that not every black teen, or every teen in general, out at night wearing a hoodie is up to no good... how about putting out the lesson to the teens too, about how to better handle yourself when being followed by someone you don't know... And Zimmerman, being a full-grown adult, should have better handled the situation as well. And I hope he DID handle it better than what's been reported... you mean to tell me he saw a confrontational teen coming up to him and didn't think to try and calm him down? To explain that he's with the neighborhood watch and that he was just tailing an unfamiliar teen out late at night (though he was told not to)? You expect me to believe that a thinking adult wouldn't have at least tried to say those things, even when it started to get a bit violent? But based on what I've heard and read in the news reports... both of them were being stupid...
bill

Cherry Hill, NJ

#14 Jun 25, 2013
What happened before the fight has nothing to do with it. If someone is following you or even calling you names it doesn't make it OK to break their nose and beat his head into the sidewalk does it.Zimmerman defended himself. It is that simple.

Since: Apr 12

Riverside, NJ

#15 Jun 25, 2013
bill wrote:
What happened before the fight has nothing to do with it. If someone is following you or even calling you names it doesn't make it OK to break their nose and beat his head into the sidewalk does it.Zimmerman defended himself. It is that simple.
Really.... that's all you get from what I said?...No acknowledgement of how I said, Martin's actions were wrong... all you care about is the fact that I believe Zimmerman was wrong too... they can't both be wrong? Looking at the context surrounding the incident... I believe they were both wrong... and that there are a few lessons to be drawn from this ordeal. Also... if what happened before the fight had nothing to do with the fight... then what reason was there for the fight? Why do you hate context so much? If you're trying to understand an event, doesn't it make sense to consider everything surrounding it? I really do find your logic to be quite disconnected... and strange... please explain.
Andy from Moorestown

Newark, NJ

#16 Jun 25, 2013
bill wrote:
What happened before the fight has nothing to do with it. If someone is following you or even calling you names it doesn't make it OK to break their nose and beat his head into the sidewalk does it.Zimmerman defended himself. It is that simple.
Sure doesn't look like someone pummeled MMA style.., come on Zimmerman, tell the truth.....you're going to hell anyways

Since: Jan 08

Willingboro, NJ

#17 Jun 25, 2013
Haruko57 wrote:
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Really.... that's all you get from what I said?...No acknowledgement of how I said, Martin's actions were wrong... all you care about is the fact that I believe Zimmerman was wrong too... they can't both be wrong? Looking at the context surrounding the incident... I believe they were both wrong... and that there are a few lessons to be drawn from this ordeal. Also... if what happened before the fight had nothing to do with the fight... then what reason was there for the fight? Why do you hate context so much? If you're trying to understand an event, doesn't it make sense to consider everything surrounding it? I really do find your logic to be quite disconnected... and strange... please explain.
Haven't you learned yet you can't even meet them at 90%. It's all their way. He just repeats Zimmerman defended himself and no matter what really happened that's what his ilk will repeat. Is it all plausible that Zimmerman tried to apprehend Martin and Martin in fear fought back? When does martins fear of Zimmerman matter? He had more to fear, he wasn't carrying a gun. So Martin is in fear and gets the better of zimmermn, Zimmerman shoots him. That's murder. Thy were fighting and as a result of tht fight one if the ended up dead. If Martin beat zimmermn to death and said he was in fear and acting in self defense would the man and bill still be repeating their lines? I think not.

Since: Apr 12

Riverside, NJ

#18 Jun 25, 2013
enemy combatant wrote:
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Haven't you learned yet you can't even meet them at 90%. It's all their way. He just repeats Zimmerman defended himself and no matter what really happened that's what his ilk will repeat. Is it all plausible that Zimmerman tried to apprehend Martin and Martin in fear fought back? When does martins fear of Zimmerman matter? He had more to fear, he wasn't carrying a gun. So Martin is in fear and gets the better of zimmermn, Zimmerman shoots him. That's murder. Thy were fighting and as a result of tht fight one if the ended up dead. If Martin beat zimmermn to death and said he was in fear and acting in self defense would the man and bill still be repeating their lines? I think not.
I refuse to believe that there is anyone more stubborn than I am lol. Besides... It's not like I'm trying to "meet him at 90%". I always give my honest opinion... I tend to be just as uncompromising about it... My view just isn't at the opposite extreme from his... Though he treats it like it is... I like to think I'm relatively centered with my views since I try to take all aspects into account... Although my personal morals tend to place me slightly left on a few of the issues...

Since: Jan 08

Willingboro, NJ

#19 Jun 25, 2013
Haruko57 wrote:
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I refuse to believe that there is anyone more stubborn than I am lol. Besides... It's not like I'm trying to "meet him at 90%". I always give my honest opinion... I tend to be just as uncompromising about it... My view just isn't at the opposite extreme from his... Though he treats it like it is... I like to think I'm relatively centered with my views since I try to take all aspects into account... Although my personal morals tend to place me slightly left on a few of the issues...
I was using 90% as an extreme example. I believe that's what bohner got in he first debt ceiling negotiations. He got 90% and his face looked like he ate something sour. He treats your opinion of basically centrist as extreme left. That's the new right, it's so far right the center looks communist. The arguement starts from such far places common ground is but a dream.

Since: Apr 12

Riverside, NJ

#20 Jun 26, 2013
enemy combatant wrote:
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I was using 90% as an extreme example. I believe that's what bohner got in he first debt ceiling negotiations. He got 90% and his face looked like he ate something sour. He treats your opinion of basically centrist as extreme left. That's the new right, it's so far right the center looks communist. The arguement starts from such far places common ground is but a dream.
Meh... I hope we can at least agree to disagree. Lol

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