NBC calls Obama a lier!
Jerseyboy For Life

Elkhart, IN

#21 Nov 3, 2013
This major scheme is all designed to bankrupt us,screw the middle class, inwhich Obama so desperately tries to say he is trying to save.Is it just me,but how about the rest of the folks,we are all going to get screwed under Obamascarecare....Obama is a redistributionist"Marxist "who is really not in disquise anymore.He is doing his stubborn best to keep us where he got us,in his socialist cross hairs......This is the jewel of Liberals to control as much of our economy,ande all of us as they can,and they are not going to let this fish gooooooo!!....They will lie,impugn,blame insurance companies,the republicans,maybe even God himself...For this total failure called Obamascarecare.......A Marxist attempt to take over our lives,and if this chip falls,many more chips will fall tooooooo!.....It will not stop with healthcare!!...Mark my words!!...
Musique pro Animus

Riverside, NJ

#23 Nov 7, 2013
Haruko57 wrote:
There were a couple of my friends who's coverage was changed recently... They actually have better coverage now, at a slightly better rate too... But I don't think anyone's going to complain about that so it's not really the issue at hand here.
IKR?! Ma mom's coverage was improved, and she pays the same as she did before. She was excited that her insurance now covers her migraine medication better than before. It used to cost like $20 for the 10-day supply, now she gets like twice as much for the same price. Now she's thinking she could afford the different medication her doc had suggested. She kinda has mild reactions to the one she has now.
Musique pro Animus

Riverside, NJ

#24 Nov 7, 2013
John wrote:
I want to keep my current Health care provider and doctor but I found out today that Obamacare wont accept my employers current plan which is Aetna. To make things worse, my new premiums that cover my family and myself will increase by nearly two grand in just the first year! It's clear we were lied to by the Liar in chief, and we are being forced to purchase something we don't want. F' YOU BARACK! I am praying they stall this thing to at least buy us some time.
Not gonna lie... I got Aetna too, and I have seen no changes recently... aside from that one a year ago, saying they would no longer accept bills from Kennedy Hospital... An ma mom's got Aetna too... and i jus said what happened with her coverage
Musique pro Animus

Riverside, NJ

#25 Nov 7, 2013
lol Y'd i just bother wit da truth when i'm here to troll... Just go ahead and assume i'm lying.
Bluegrass Dew

Louisville, KY

#26 Nov 7, 2013
Conservatives suck the arse of donkeys!!!!!!!!!!

Since: Apr 12

Riverside, NJ

#27 Nov 10, 2013
The Man wrote:
"Because of the higher cost, the Griffins are considering paying the federal penalty - about $100 or 1 percent of income next year - rather than buying health insurance. They say they are healthy and don't typically run up large health care costs. Dean Griffin said that will be cheaper because it's unlikely they will get past the nearly $13,000 deductible for the coverage to kick in."
$100 OR 1% of income. With a $13,000 deductible they actually could have an annual income of over 1 million dollars.
The so-called "Affordable care act" is anything but affordable for this couple.
The new plan is more expensive and they may have different Dr.'s. Something Obama said wouldn't happen!
Obamacare is all about income redistribution, something Obama believes in.
Quick question... You know how we have different income tax brackets, defining what percentage you pay in income tax based on how much you make? Are you okay with that?

Since: Apr 12

Riverside, NJ

#28 Nov 10, 2013
Musique pro Animus wrote:
lol Y'd i just bother wit da truth when i'm here to troll... Just go ahead and assume i'm lying.
Ok :)...
The Man

Merchantville, NJ

#29 Nov 10, 2013
Haruko57 wrote:
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Quick question... You know how we have different income tax brackets, defining what percentage you pay in income tax based on how much you make? Are you okay with that?
No, I would much prefer a flat tax system with no deductions.
If you make $7.50 per hour take as an example 15%
If you make $20,000,000 a year take that same 15%
One of the great ironies of the tax the rich crowd is that the wealthy already are paying a disproportionate amount of the income tax.
http://constitutionalconservative.wordpress.c...

Since: Apr 12

Riverside, NJ

#30 Nov 10, 2013
The Man wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I would much prefer a flat tax system with no deductions.
If you make $7.50 per hour take as an example 15%
If you make $20,000,000 a year take that same 15%
One of the great ironies of the tax the rich crowd is that the wealthy already are paying a disproportionate amount of the income tax.
http://constitutionalconservative.wordpress.c...
Good answer, but the reason they have the differences in income tax, is an attempt to compensate for the amount of revenue the "wealthy" are generally able to accrue that is not taxed in the same ways as the weekly paycheck. For example, a person can be in the higher tax bracket, paying... what was it? 38%? or was it raised to 39%?... whatever paying almost 40% of their paychecks, which for someone in the middle class, would be a back-breaking amount... but this person has much more in investments and capital gains, which, if handled properly, can go nearly completely untaxed. I hear that if held for long enough, the tax rate on these profits can be as low as 1%... In the end, his total tax rate, for ALL of his income, is the same standard 15% as everyone else... sometimes lower.

A wealthy person with the money, assets, and resources to put into these often risky investments and capital gains, has a rather distinct advantage over others, which many find to be unfair, so people have been wanting to raise the taxes for the "rich" even more to compensate... HOWEVER... this is because we keep looking at the top 1% of wealth in this country, who earn SOOO much more in capital gains, than in ordinary income. I never really threw all of my support on it, because of the thought of those few families and households within the higher tax bracket, who don't have as much of the investment sense, or the well-paid accountant who can set them up with such deals. The middle class is so sick of getting screwed in general that I guess we figured we'd settle for just screwing the upper-middle class...I was always hoping that they would go for a more even tax across the board, for EVERYTHING, including the investments and capital gains... but most economic experts say it's not a good idea, because raising the tax to something normal like 15% for everyone would drive some people away from the markets and cause a whole bunch of other issues... I think that's just ridiculous, since it should keep their total profits after taxes about the same anyway (aside from those paying under 15% in taxes, but whatever...)They're just getting butthurt over the idea of not being able to use their stupid little loopholes is what it sounds like to me...which means we're stuck at the moment with whatever plan of action we've got.
Jerseyboy For Life

Elkhart, IN

#31 Nov 10, 2013
The weight of the welfare state will eventually bankrupt us.And that is the full intent of the Democrat Socialist Party,with a Marxist leader named Obama is doing...He will lie,discieve ,smear,impugn,starve us,even imprison us,and maybe even kill us to accept his Socialism...He and his party are hardcore Leftist!!,and thats what Leftist do...Mandates,fines,if you don't enroll in their "Healthcare" thats not the America I grew up in!!...And it's not the America I want ot live with either....Something needs to go,Obama!!....Give me Liberty or give me death,I don't want "Socialism".......An d Obama's Healthcare System is pure Socialism........

Since: Apr 12

Riverside, NJ

#32 Nov 10, 2013
Jerseyboy For Life wrote:
The weight of the welfare state will eventually bankrupt us.And that is the full intent of the Democrat Socialist Party,with a Marxist leader named Obama is doing...He will lie,discieve ,smear,impugn,starve us,even imprison us,and maybe even kill us to accept his Socialism...He and his party are hardcore Leftist!!,and thats what Leftist do...Mandates,fines,if you don't enroll in their "Healthcare" thats not the America I grew up in!!...And it's not the America I want ot live with either....Something needs to go,Obama!!....Give me Liberty or give me death,I don't want "Socialism".......An d Obama's Healthcare System is pure Socialism........
Lol
Jerseyboy For Life

Elkhart, IN

#33 Nov 10, 2013
Musique pro Animus wrote:
<quoted text>
Not gonna lie... I got Aetna too, and I have seen no changes recently... aside from that one a year ago, saying they would no longer accept bills from Kennedy Hospital... An ma mom's got Aetna too... and i jus said what happened with her coverage
Was it his charming sh$t eating grin,or his cocky attitude,that maybe decieved you into believing (Obama) was for ya?...He is a Leftist,he is doing everything to further his Socialist Agenda to America,nobody really matters to his Party,until we are suffering under his leadership.....The worst is yet to come with this disaster in the White House.......
Jerseyboy For Life

Elkhart, IN

#34 Nov 10, 2013
Haruko57 wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol
I hope that laughter will turn in to tears,because Obama is looking out for Obama and his Leftis Agenda only...Times are going to get real "BAD"keep drinking the "Kool Aid" your LOL,may be a frown when Obama is through wit America.....

Since: Apr 12

Riverside, NJ

#35 Nov 10, 2013
Jerseyboy For Life wrote:
<quoted text>I hope that laughter will turn in to tears,because Obama is looking out for Obama and his Leftis Agenda only...Times are going to get real "BAD"keep drinking the "Kool Aid" your LOL,may be a frown when Obama is through wit America.....
K. You keep on drinking your over-process crappy drink as well.:3
Jerseyboy For Life

Elkhart, IN

#36 Nov 10, 2013
Nothing is free for ever!!Something will give in the "END" and it will!!.....This whole Healthcare scheme is a trap,and a chipping away at Capitalism...And a power grab by the Left,to snare a bunch of freeloaders into his Agenda!...The Government doesn't make money,it confiscates it through taxes,lying schemes,wasteful phony interprises like his "Green" exploits etc...Leftist have only one desire,"CONTROL" at any cost,at any human suffering it may cause.The wrath the people get from these tyrants is sometimes for a life time,ask a Russian,Cuban,China or a N.Korean....Socaialism sounds good until it is tried.........Ball and Chain for ever....

Since: Apr 12

Riverside, NJ

#37 Nov 10, 2013
Jerseyboy For Life wrote:
Nothing is free for ever!!Something will give in the "END" and it will!!.....This whole Healthcare scheme is a trap,and a chipping away at Capitalism...And a power grab by the Left,to snare a bunch of freeloaders into his Agenda!...The Government doesn't make money,it confiscates it through taxes,lying schemes,wasteful phony interprises like his "Green" exploits etc...Leftist have only one desire,"CONTROL" at any cost,at any human suffering it may cause.The wrath the people get from these tyrants is sometimes for a life time,ask a Russian,Cuban,China or a N.Korean....Socaialism sounds good until it is tried.........Ball and Chain for ever....
Lol you are hilarious sometimes.
Musique pro Animus

Riverside, NJ

#38 Nov 10, 2013
Jerseyboy For Life wrote:
<quoted text>Was it his charming sh$t eating grin,or his cocky attitude,that maybe decieved you into believing (Obama) was for ya?...He is a Leftist,he is doing everything to further his Socialist Agenda to America,nobody really matters to his Party,until we are suffering under his leadership.....The worst is yet to come with this disaster in the White House.......
this world you live in.. how did you handle the extinction of the unicorns?
the next door neigbor

Rochester, NY

#39 Nov 11, 2013
Haruko57 wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol you are hilarious sometimes.
And you are truly blind to what is happening to our country. Either you are brain washed, full blown socialist, Obama loving loon or too dumb to see what the democratic /progressive party is doing to America. I don't for a second believe that you are the latter as I have been reading your posts for some time now and you are far from dumb.

Since: Apr 12

Riverside, NJ

#40 Nov 11, 2013
the next door neigbor wrote:
<quoted text>And you are truly blind to what is happening to our country. Either you are brain washed, full blown socialist, Obama loving loon or too dumb to see what the democratic /progressive party is doing to America. I don't for a second believe that you are the latter as I have been reading your posts for some time now and you are far from dumb.
Thanks for the compliment. I just refuse to buy into the overly dramatized "Obama is the devil" routine that people like Jersey Boy keep going into. Every move he makes is somehow a malicious bold-faced attempt to destroy the country. BULL! Most of the plans he comes up with are attempts to meet the wants and calls of many people here. Unfortunately his plans are usually full of fillable holes, and fixable flaws, but instead of fixing any of it, Republicans act like whiny babies... "Waaah! We don't like that plan! Waah! We think it's STUPID! Waah! We don't even wanna look at it to make improvements! Just throw it away! Who cares how much effort might have come from the other side, we're not lifting a finger!" While the Democrats just sat on their hands and left well enough alone while their other half threw their temper tantrums... Then blamed all issues on those temper tantrums! When something goes wrong, it's not because Obama is some kind of ill-willed douche trying to destroy us, it's because our government has been SO obsessed with taking sides and playing the blame game that none of these issues with the plans... that were obvious even to a simple college student like me... were fixed...

And before you say anything, I manage to understand most of these things well enough to see the problems... but not well enough to know for sure what the best solutions are... I might offer an idea or two here or there if I can, but I can usually poke holes into my own ideas for myself, so I know they're usually not that good. I expect much more ability from our government though, what with the wealth of resources they'd have available, from researchers, to experts on different topics to choose from.

Now... What I get sick of most of all on this forum is... How does not believing Obama to be the ultimate evil, make me some kind of brainwashed zombie fully supporting him... I'm always talking about the things that are wrong with his actions... But because I also mention the few things he does right, I'm suddenly some kind of socialist, marxist, or communist.... Actually, i fail to see what's so evil about those things anyway... They're all good on paper, but they are very dependent on our ability to execute them... and it's obvious that going fully into any of those views would not go well for us... especially for us, since it is basically American nature to be very individualistic and such, making capitalism, in general, the best route for us. HOWEVER, I tend to view it this way... This is AMERICA!!!! the "Melting Pot"... it was the different groups of people and different views coming together that formed our country in the first place! It's what built us up to be one of the world's superpowers! Yet people are SOOO afraid of considering influence from different ideas today. like the Healthcare idea... People call it pure socialism... If THAT is pure socialism, then socialism must not be so different from capitalism after all.

I guess all i'm saying is... quit being SO dramatic! It's not at all as horrible as you keep saying it is... you bunch of whiny pansies.

Since: Jan 08

Willingboro, NJ

#41 Nov 11, 2013
Couldn't have said it better

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