EEOC files lawsuit against BMW

Since: Jan 08

Willingboro, NJ

#21 Jun 15, 2013
The Man wrote:
OK ad another layer of bureaucracy to an already difficult place to do business. See how long it takes them to pull up stakes and move these jobs to Mexico.
These were high paid jobs and the company could be picky over who they hired or retained. The real problem would seem to be the high number of Blacks with a criminal record. That is the true problem, not why employers won't hire them. Deal with the root cause and not the symptom. What next? Medical schools have to start enrolling high school drop outs because a disproportionate number are black or Hispanic?
Lol you do nothing but change the arguement and compare apples and oranges.

Where are we adding a layer of bureaucracy?

Your medical school example doesn't hold water at all. How about this. You already completed 2 years of medical then they decide to kick you out because you were sited for trespassing at a swimming pool when you were 18. That would be more accurate to this BMW situation.

Since: Apr 12

Riverton, NJ

#22 Jun 15, 2013
The Man wrote:
OK ad another layer of bureaucracy to an already difficult place to do business. See how long it takes them to pull up stakes and move these jobs to Mexico.
These were high paid jobs and the company could be picky over who they hired or retained. The real problem would seem to be the high number of Blacks with a criminal record. That is the true problem, not why employers won't hire them. Deal with the root cause and not the symptom. What next? Medical schools have to start enrolling high school drop outs because a disproportionate number are black or Hispanic?
Either this is a poorly executed reductio ad absurdum... or you really misunderstood something...
bill

Claymont, DE

#23 Jun 16, 2013
Perhaps willingboro schools should be sued for failing to graduate so many black students? Isn't that racist? What if we found a higher percentage of white and Asian students got higher grades and had higher graduation rates? Willingboro schools are racist then right?

Since: Jan 08

Willingboro, NJ

#24 Jun 16, 2013
bill wrote:
Perhaps willingboro schools should be sued for failing to graduate so many black students? Isn't that racist? What if we found a higher percentage of white and Asian students got higher grades and had higher graduation rates? Willingboro schools are racist then right?
Yup your right Willingboro schools are the problem. Once solving that every problem in the world will cease to exist. That Willingboro kid that took your lunch money back in the day really did a number on you.
bill

New Castle, DE

#25 Jun 16, 2013
What makes you think a willingboro kid stole my lunch money? Is theft that deeply ingrained in the culture?
Or are you being racist because willingboro schools are mostly black and you assume full of thieves?
The Man

Pennsauken, NJ

#26 Jun 16, 2013
enemy combatant wrote:
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Lol you do nothing but change the arguement and compare apples and oranges.
Where are we adding a layer of bureaucracy?
Your medical school example doesn't hold water at all. How about this. You already completed 2 years of medical then they decide to kick you out because you were sited for trespassing at a swimming pool when you were 18. That would be more accurate to this BMW situation.
Because know if they are going to institute any policy with regards to employment they have to make certain it won't have a negative impact on their black employees. Just another layer of expenses and b.s.
The medical schools example does hold water.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/15/us/patrick-...

Since: Apr 12

Riverton, NJ

#27 Jun 16, 2013
The Man wrote:
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Because know if they are going to institute any policy with regards to employment they have to make certain it won't have a negative impact on their black employees. Just another layer of expenses and b.s.
The medical schools example does hold water.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/15/us/patrick-...
Ok. So you DID miss the point here... I could tell you what the point was... but I get the feeling you'll ignore me, or try to accuse me of something stupid... so I'll let you figure it out for yourself... or you can remain off point.
bill

Blackwood, NJ

#28 Jun 16, 2013
What was the intent of the firings? Did they want to get rid of those in violation of company policy? Or get rid of blacks? That is the question. How many of those fired lied on their initial job application? No racism there is it.
The Man

Pennsauken, NJ

#29 Jun 16, 2013
Haruko57 wrote:
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Ok. So you DID miss the point here... I could tell you what the point was... but I get the feeling you'll ignore me, or try to accuse me of something stupid... so I'll let you figure it out for yourself... or you can remain off point.
Oh no dear, I am right on point with your entitlement mentality

Since: Jan 08

Willingboro, NJ

#30 Jun 16, 2013
The Man wrote:
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Because know if they are going to institute any policy with regards to employment they have to make certain it won't have a negative impact on their black employees. Just another layer of expenses and b.s.
The medical schools example does hold water.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/15/us/patrick-...
And the court stuck it down.

Still not a good example of what happened at BMW.

Since: Jan 08

Willingboro, NJ

#31 Jun 16, 2013
bill wrote:
What makes you think a willingboro kid stole my lunch money? Is theft that deeply ingrained in the culture?
Or are you being racist because willingboro schools are mostly black and you assume full of thieves?
Then he stole your girlfriend. Then why else te hard on for everything Willingboro. I'm sure it's not its racial makeup.

Since: Jan 08

Willingboro, NJ

#32 Jun 16, 2013
bill wrote:
What was the intent of the firings? Did they want to get rid of those in violation of company policy? Or get rid of blacks? That is the question. How many of those fired lied on their initial job application? No racism there is it.
Do you know the policy of the original logistics company? Perhaps background checks were not part of their process. Try reading the article again instead of just doing the math of percent of black this or that. The new company was told to do background checks. Do you know for a fact the fired lied? Either way their policy won't hold up. You can't base hiring on a misdemeanor.
bill

Woodstown, NJ

#33 Jun 17, 2013
enemy combatant wrote:
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Do you know the policy of the original logistics company? Perhaps background checks were not part of their process. Try reading the article again instead of just doing the math of percent of black this or that. The new company was told to do background checks. Do you know for a fact the fired lied? Either way their policy won't hold up. You can't base hiring on a misdemeanor.
Go ahead,hire thieves to run the warehouse see what happens to your inventory. Let them run the cash register and count the money at the end of the shift. Then let pedophiles work in the schools and daycares they did their time right? Deserve a 2nd,3rd or 4th chance.

Since: Apr 12

Riverton, NJ

#34 Jun 17, 2013
The Man wrote:
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Oh no dear, I am right on point with your entitlement mentality
Lol MY mentality? You're not even close... keep trying though.

Since: Apr 12

Riverton, NJ

#35 Jun 17, 2013
bill wrote:
What was the intent of the firings? Did they want to get rid of those in violation of company policy? Or get rid of blacks? That is the question. How many of those fired lied on their initial job application? No racism there is it.
The article doesn't say what the intention was with the firings... I doubt it was racial... and it doesn't say whether any of the people fired lied on their applications... although I hear that often people decide not to mention misdemeanors for fear of it keeping them from getting a job, despite regulations that dictate that criminal history, to a certain degree, should hold no bearing on employment in most fields.

Since: Jan 08

Willingboro, NJ

#36 Jun 17, 2013
bill wrote:
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Go ahead,hire thieves to run the warehouse see what happens to your inventory. Let them run the cash register and count the money at the end of the shift. Then let pedophiles work in the schools and daycares they did their time right? Deserve a 2nd,3rd or 4th chance.
Remember they fired for misdemeanors as well. So that kid that went pool hoping or a house party or any other of the dumb things kids do, a masters degree won't save you from not getting a job. See there are extremes on either side. Why can't the pedophile run the cash register and the thieves work with the kids? So you are saying let me get this straight a conviction should bar you from employment for the rest of your life?
Aimee

Willingboro, NJ

#37 Jun 17, 2013
enemy combatant wrote:
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Remember they fired for misdemeanors as well. So that kid that went pool hoping or a house party or any other of the dumb things kids do, a masters degree won't save you from not getting a job. See there are extremes on either side. Why can't the pedophile run the cash register and the thieves work with the kids? So you are saying let me get this straight a conviction should bar you from employment for the rest of your life?
What tickles me is that they will preach rehabilitation for a convict by saying they need to get their lives together and become productive citizens of society but on the other hand they don't want them to have jobs. smh

Since: Jan 08

Willingboro, NJ

#38 Jun 17, 2013
Aimee wrote:
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What tickles me is that they will preach rehabilitation for a convict by saying they need to get their lives together and become productive citizens of society but on the other hand they don't want them to have jobs. smh
That's because incarcerating Americans is big business now and they need customers/convicts. Once they gave up on rehabilitation and then moved to privatized prisons it turned into a warehousing operation. Throw in some mandatory minimum sentences with 3 strikes you got a money maker.

Since: Apr 12

Riverton, NJ

#39 Jun 17, 2013
Aimee wrote:
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What tickles me is that they will preach rehabilitation for a convict by saying they need to get their lives together and become productive citizens of society but on the other hand they don't want them to have jobs. smh
Yeah... some of them like to contradict themselves regularly... Whatever, at least they're fun to argue with. XD

Since: Apr 12

Riverton, NJ

#40 Jun 17, 2013
enemy combatant wrote:
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That's because incarcerating Americans is big business now and they need customers/convicts. Once they gave up on rehabilitation and then moved to privatized prisons it turned into a warehousing operation. Throw in some mandatory minimum sentences with 3 strikes you got a money maker.
Well the system didn't completely give up on rehabilitation... many convicts go to therapy and other such programs... usually as required by a state or county judge... Though I can certainly see what you're saying with the "warehousing operation".

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