EEOC files lawsuit against BMW

EEOC files lawsuit against BMW

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The Man

Pennsauken, NJ

#1 Jun 12, 2013
Seems a background check turned up convictions that disqualified people from employment. Since most with these convictions are Black..........

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/201...

Since: Jan 08

Willingboro, NJ

#2 Jun 12, 2013
"Criminal conviction policy" so doing your time and doing the right thing after a mistake or crime lands in perpetual unemployment. Bad policy I hope they lose. I thought it was illegal to deny employment soley based on criminal record unless it was for specific crimes ie theft etc.

Those 88 people were already working there. If there was no problem with those individuals then y fire them?
The Man

Pennsauken, NJ

#3 Jun 12, 2013
Of the 88, 69 are Black. So I guess the rights of the 19 non-Blacks are to be dismissed? What about equal protection under the law?
The Man

Pennsauken, NJ

#4 Jun 12, 2013
Common sense is all to uncommon these days.
If they had been truthful in their applications they never would have been hired in the first place would they?
Since they already worked there, they must have lied on their applications if the convictions happened prior to their employment right?

Since: Jan 08

Willingboro, NJ

#5 Jun 12, 2013
The Man wrote:
Of the 88, 69 are Black. So I guess the rights of the 19 non-Blacks are to be dismissed? What about equal protection under the law?
It says 70 of the 88 are black. 69 are bringing suit. Perhaps you should ask the 1 black and 18 race not disclosed why they didn't join the class action.

Since: Jan 08

Willingboro, NJ

#6 Jun 12, 2013
The Man wrote:
Common sense is all to uncommon these days.
If they had been truthful in their applications they never would have been hired in the first place would they?
Since they already worked there, they must have lied on their applications if the convictions happened prior to their employment right?
Most applications also say conviction doesn't stop you from being employed. Guess BMW lies too. Their policy also doesn't discriminate between misdemeanor and felonies. So really a misdemeanor when you were 18 should stop you from gainful employment?
The Man

Pennsauken, NJ

#7 Jun 13, 2013
What about the rights of the employer? Can't he pick and chose who he thinks will be the best employees?
Or are we to allow the government to mandate that you have to hire a certain segment of society?

Since: Jan 08

Trenton, NJ

#8 Jun 13, 2013
The Man wrote:
What about the rights of the employer? Can't he pick and chose who he thinks will be the best employees?
Or are we to allow the government to mandate that you have to hire a certain segment of society?
Pick and choose based on what? Race, gender, religion, eye color, height. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the employment laws of the United States. It's funny because these 88 people were already working there. One of the fired was there for 14 years. Think they kept him for 14 years if he wasn't any good? The government doesn't tell you who to hire they tell you you can't deny employment based on the things people use to discriminate against others. Every application I've ever filled out or received from potential employees says "a conviction does not necessarily disqualify you from employment". And they usually only ask for convictions in the last 7 years. BMW even fired people for misdemeanors. So some simple kid stuff should bar you from employment for the rest of your life? You really defending that? I guess you like the revolving door prison system. You like the US having more inmates than any other country in the world. So any mistake or slip up as a young person and your life is over because employers will "pick and choose".

So by your "logic" of pick and choose why not just go back to putting a sign in the window "blacks need not apply" or if you prefer "Irish need no apply". Yea lets turn back the clock to the good old days so you are free to be a racist and no one calls you on it. My only hope is you get to reap what you sow.
bill

Conshohocken, PA

#9 Jun 14, 2013
He made no mention of race but you did. Perhaps the NBA should have more white players?
I wonder how many blacks BMW employed in total? That will show if they are racist. I have worked with all kinds of people in my life. Blacks are much more likely to get fired for bad work habits. Fighting,theft,attendance etc.
I have seen many loose good jobs over some really silly things. Yes whites get fired too. But not as much as blacks.
Employers are aware that blacks often sue when fired. This may make then not want to hire them.
Andy from Moorestown

United States

#10 Jun 14, 2013
bill wrote:
He made no mention of race but you did. Perhaps the NBA should have more white players?
I wonder how many blacks BMW employed in total? That will show if they are racist. I have worked with all kinds of people in my life. Blacks are much more likely to get fired for bad work habits. Fighting,theft,attendance etc.
I have seen many loose good jobs over some really silly things. Yes whites get fired too. But not as much as blacks.
Employers are aware that blacks often sue when fired. This may make then not want to hire them.
Perhaps the NHL should have more black players. Blacks are much more likely to get fired for bad habits while whites get a slap on the wrist.........only 2% of the work force sues the the employer for wrongful termination. Your rant is B.S just as you are, let me guess, you're a former trailer trash kid from the 70's in willingboro!!!!

Since: Apr 12

Willingboro, NJ

#11 Jun 14, 2013
hmm... The article says that only 6 actually filed charges... the other 63 of those 69 are just supporting "classmates". Also, while it remains to be seen if BMW is actually in violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for any racial reasons... I do agree with the last line of the article.

""Employers must carefully evaluate the age and nature of convictions when using such information to make employment decisions," Daniels said."

There are plenty of people who pull small stupid stunts at a young age, and after serving time, and trying to move on, have straightened out just fine. Being barred from a job years later because of it does seem quite unfair for that type of person. Then again, I can understand the skepticism, since having one conviction makes you far more likely to get another, and our prison system, and "correctional facilities", don't really do much correcting.

Anyway, that really is too bad that they lost their jobs over something so trivial... especially since they were already there for so long. Did they do something wrong recently to warrant this? The posted article doesn't say.

Since: Jan 08

Willingboro, NJ

#12 Jun 14, 2013
Haruko57 wrote:
hmm... The article says that only 6 actually filed charges... the other 63 of those 69 are just supporting "classmates". Also, while it remains to be seen if BMW is actually in violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for any racial reasons... I do agree with the last line of the article.
""Employers must carefully evaluate the age and nature of convictions when using such information to make employment decisions," Daniels said."
There are plenty of people who pull small stupid stunts at a young age, and after serving time, and trying to move on, have straightened out just fine. Being barred from a job years later because of it does seem quite unfair for that type of person. Then again, I can understand the skepticism, since having one conviction makes you far more likely to get another, and our prison system, and "correctional facilities", don't really do much correcting.
Anyway, that really is too bad that they lost their jobs over something so trivial... especially since they were already there for so long. Did they do something wrong recently to warrant this? The posted article doesn't say.
Rejection based on the prior conviction is at part responsible for people getting another conviction. Keep in mind BMW was firing for misdemeanors. Trespassing like swimming after hours or loitering etc at 18 will keep you from a job at 25 after completing high school, college and graduate school. Yea that seems like good policy.

Since: Jan 08

Willingboro, NJ

#13 Jun 14, 2013
The Man wrote:
Of the 88, 69 are Black. So I guess the rights of the 19 non-Blacks are to be dismissed? What about equal protection under the law?
There. That's you and race in the same quote. Is there a time when you're not interjecting race? Without racially based posts you would not exist here.

Since: Jan 08

Willingboro, NJ

#14 Jun 14, 2013
The Man wrote:
Seems a background check turned up convictions that disqualified people from employment. Since most with these convictions are Black..........
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/201...
Lol yea it wasn't you that brought up race. This is post #1 lmfao

Since: Apr 12

Riverton, NJ

#15 Jun 14, 2013
enemy combatant wrote:
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Rejection based on the prior conviction is at part responsible for people getting another conviction. Keep in mind BMW was firing for misdemeanors. Trespassing like swimming after hours or loitering etc at 18 will keep you from a job at 25 after completing high school, college and graduate school. Yea that seems like good policy.
Yeah I completely agree with you, it's complete bull. But I can understand the perspective being taken by those employers... Even if I think their wrong.
The Man

Pennsauken, NJ

#16 Jun 14, 2013
"arrests alone are not predictive of criminal conduct," Yea right and prisons are full of innocent people, just ask them.
The Man

Pennsauken, NJ

#17 Jun 14, 2013
enemy combatant wrote:
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Rejection based on the prior conviction is at part responsible for people getting another conviction. Keep in mind BMW was firing for misdemeanors. Trespassing like swimming after hours or loitering etc at 18 will keep you from a job at 25 after completing high school, college and graduate school. Yea that seems like good policy.
Where did it say anything about swimming after hours.loitering and trespassing?

Since: Apr 12

Riverton, NJ

#18 Jun 15, 2013
The Man wrote:
"arrests alone are not predictive of criminal conduct," Yea right and prisons are full of innocent people, just ask them.
Oh yes... because our legal system is soo perfect and no one who's innocent ever goes to jail... Seriously though... not that it happens too much... but I do know one person who was wrongfully convicted... it took months of appealing to get the conviction overturned... and the arrest still comes up on his record anyway... also... while I don't think the numbers are accurate, some estimate that between 9,000 and 20,000 innocent people are wrongfully convicted every year throughout the US... That's less than 1% of the US prison population actually... but it's still quite a few people.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/12/i...
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/ronhuff.h...
http://www.caught.net/innoc.htm

Since: Apr 12

Riverton, NJ

#19 Jun 15, 2013
The Man wrote:
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Where did it say anything about swimming after hours.loitering and trespassing?
Lol Dude... Examples of what is determined to be a misdemeanor... don't be silly now.
The Man

Pennsauken, NJ

#20 Jun 15, 2013
OK ad another layer of bureaucracy to an already difficult place to do business. See how long it takes them to pull up stakes and move these jobs to Mexico.
These were high paid jobs and the company could be picky over who they hired or retained. The real problem would seem to be the high number of Blacks with a criminal record. That is the true problem, not why employers won't hire them. Deal with the root cause and not the symptom. What next? Medical schools have to start enrolling high school drop outs because a disproportionate number are black or Hispanic?

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