Trayvon was a racist
The Man

Pennsauken, NJ

#42 Jul 14, 2013
enemy combatant wrote:
<quoted text>
You may have chosen to ignore race but race is all over it.
Defense witness was called that had been burgurlerized. What did that testimony have to do with Martin? The burgurler was black so it was ok to profile any black male as a criminal. Walking while black is now an offense punishable by death. It's perfectly fine to accost black men on the street as to where they're going and what they're doing and if anything happens and you feel threatened you may execute them, lawfully. Zimmerman could have been as black as Wesley Snipes and I'd feel EXACTLY he same about this case. You can't make it legal to follow, accost, fight with and then kill someone.
Oh please! Yes Zimmerman shouldn't have gotten out of his car nor followed Trayvon."Neither of which is against the law." But who broke Zimmerman's nose? Who was on top of him slamming his head into concrete? Let me tell you something. If I found somebody slamming a loved ones head into concrete they would be shot if my gun was handy. Zimmerman was a powder puff, Trayvon was a h.s. athlete in good shape. He very easily could have out run Zimmerman. Instead he was circling Zimmerman's car giving him the stink eye. You have been drinking the mass media Koolade. Trayvon was a thug.

Since: Apr 12

Riverton, NJ

#43 Jul 14, 2013
The Man wrote:
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You are comparing apples to oranges.
Ms. Alexander had a restraining order against her husband. She went to the house to retrieve some things WHEN HE WAS THERE!
She says an argument ensued she says that she was in fear for her life. So she went out to her car. Does she leave? No she retrieves her GUN! She came back inside and fired the gun INTO A WALL THE BULLET RICHOCHETTED AND LANDED IN THE CEILING. Her estranged husband stated the gun was pointed at him but she missed. She was also CONVICTED OF DOMESTIC BATTERY ON HER HUSBAND A FEW MONTHS LATER She turned down a plea deal that would have given her 3 years in prison and took her chances at a trial.
In central Florida, a white man named Orville Lee Wollard is nearly two years into a 20-year sentence for firing his gun inside his house to scare his daughter's boyfriend. Prosecutors contended that Wollard was shooting at the young man and missed.
He rejected a plea deal that offered probation but no prison time. Like Alexander, he took his chances at trial and was convicted of aggravated assault with a firearm. Circuit Judge Donald Jacobsen said he was "duty bound" by the 10-20-life law to impose the harsh sentence.
So the "facts" are not what the no justice no peace crowd has been preaching about in this case, or the case of Trayvon Martin.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/19/mari...
It is a shame the NAACP is already calling for the justice department to step in. Couldn't they wait a few days until things settle down and the smoke clears from the riots? Oh no throw some gasoline on those flames!
Again... the case you're referencing is a different scenario, like the Alexander case...

Also, while I'm not sure if Enemy Combatant was saying this, but I interpreted his complaint of meaning that, if this were a black on black killing... this would have gone a lot differently, and also... if it were a black on white trial, the result likely would have been different as well... It's exceedingly rare, to the point where a lot of people say it has yet to happen in all of US history (I haven't checked so I don't know. Though you'd think something like this would be somewhat "historic", so it's rather safe to assume...) for a white person charged with the murder of a black person, to be convicted. These overbearing trends bring people to believe that the system still greatly favors white people over all others... more specifically black people... It's saddening really... too bad. That's part of why people are so upset, and the NAACP, who's main purpose is to serve the black community, felt the need to apply some pressure to the justice department... trust me.. from what I could see and hear over this past year of BS, there was no "wait a few days for smoke to clear." Many of the black community look to the NAACP to act on our behalf... if anything, their immediate action has possibly stopped some people from "taking to the streets". Now that they're involved, they can potentially step up and say to any dumbasses that try to start something, "We will do whatever we can, please do not do anything to impede our struggle. Rather, place your trust in us to represent all of you." or some kind of line like that, and some of them will back off. I see their actions as trying to control the flames, make sure it doesn't turn into a wildfire, rather than putting gasoline on them... Also, this way, if things still go wrong, some of the anger may be slightly deferred to the NAACP for not doing well enough... Meh but that's just how I see it.

Since: Apr 12

Riverton, NJ

#44 Jul 14, 2013
enemy combatant wrote:
<quoted text>
You may have chosen to ignore race but race is all over it.
Defense witness was called that had been burgurlerized. What did that testimony have to do with Martin? The burgurler was black so it was ok to profile any black male as a criminal. Walking while black is now an offense punishable by death. It's perfectly fine to accost black men on the street as to where they're going and what they're doing and if anything happens and you feel threatened you may execute them, lawfully. Zimmerman could have been as black as Wesley Snipes and I'd feel EXACTLY he same about this case. You can't make it legal to follow, accost, fight with and then kill someone.
Unfortunately... by Florida law, you can... That's why whenever I'm in Jacksonville visiting my aunt, she warns me to just keep to myself if I go out, and to stay with my cousins. It's also why Florida's self defense laws are one of the most criticized laws in the country.

Since: Apr 12

Riverton, NJ

#45 Jul 14, 2013
The Man wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh please! Yes Zimmerman shouldn't have gotten out of his car nor followed Trayvon."Neither of which is against the law." But who broke Zimmerman's nose? Who was on top of him slamming his head into concrete? Let me tell you something. If I found somebody slamming a loved ones head into concrete they would be shot if my gun was handy. Zimmerman was a powder puff, Trayvon was a h.s. athlete in good shape. He very easily could have out run Zimmerman. Instead he was circling Zimmerman's car giving him the stink eye. You have been drinking the mass media Koolade. Trayvon was a thug.
Tayvonne was your typical stupid punk teen from what I could tell... but apparently you know better than me... Tell me something... You really say that if you saw two people in a fist fight with one clearly gaining the upper-hand over someone you cared about... your first instinct is to shoot? That says a lot about your character and virtues. My first instinct is to call 911... Then... if i had a gun, I'd imagine I'd make my presence known and yell directions at the "attacker" to back off and calm down, with my gun pointed and ready of course. If that went well I probably would've stopped pointing but still kept the thing handy, and lectured both of them, starting with "What the hell is this foolishness about?!" To me, shooting is ALWAYS a last resort. In simple disputes like this, it's best to try to dissolve the matter without use of extreme measures like that.
Jerseyboy For Life

Goshen, IN

#46 Jul 14, 2013
The Left wants civil unrest,they want us devided,blacks get away with all sorts of bashing of whites,and this admimistration turns a blind eye and even contributes to it.Obama is the "Great Devider,and welfare President.He is totally against any recovery,and he is causing more harm to those he pretends he's helping.A simular incident also happen in Florida involving a white guy and a blackman fighting,the white guy was on top of the blackman,and the blackman shot and killed him,nothing said,no big news.Racism is a buisiness in America,it's made millioinares out of scum...Ask the justice brothers how it has made their lives very gooooooood.It is another travisty in our effort for peace and harmony, Whitey turning the other "Cheek"....This time, we have our "OJ"but self defense, over murder is a far cry different though.And now we learn that the useless NAAACP is going to go after the Zimmerman lawyers.That organization needs to be dissolved and cut out tax payer money to support those stuck in the past brain dead ole racist milking the system.Beware of the rise of the "chimps"it might happen in a town near you,Lock and Load....
The Man

Pennsauken, NJ

#47 Jul 14, 2013
"Tell me something... You really say that if you saw two people in a fist fight with one clearly gaining the upper-hand over someone you cared about... your first instinct is to shoot? That says a lot about your character and virtues."
What I wrote was..
"Let me tell you something. If I found somebody slamming a loved ones head into concrete they would be shot if my gun was handy."
Gaining the upper-hand in a fist fight is a completely different scenario from slamming someone's head into concrete.
You have chosen to omit something rather pertinent to the discussion.
Jerseyboy For Life

Goshen, IN

#48 Jul 14, 2013
enemy combatant wrote:
<quoted text>
Chimps huh. Love to see you try calling me that to my face old man.
If all whites are "crackers"well what can I say....Didn't bother the almighty Obama when that girlfriend repeated what her inocent boyfriend refered to whites as "crackers"and that Black Panther dude on national television that he hated all crackers,and wanted to kill all white babies.Again no condemnation from the media ,nor the President ,who gets all of his information off the booob tube.
Aimee

Willingboro, NJ

#49 Jul 14, 2013
Does the Boston Bomber or the aurora theater shooter walk next??????? Seems like murdering someone and getting away with isn't as hard as most would think.

They need to change the laws as far as defendants standing trial with cross examination.

When your kids do something and your begin reprimanding them by cross examining, are they allowed to say "mom/dad I wish not to testify as I've already explained to my sister/brother what happened"?
The Man

Pennsauken, NJ

#50 Jul 14, 2013
Aimee, you are out in left field with a hockey stick

Since: Jan 08

Willingboro, NJ

#51 Jul 14, 2013
Jerseyboy For Life wrote:
<quoted text>If all whites are "crackers"well what can I say....Didn't bother the almighty Obama when that girlfriend repeated what her inocent boyfriend refered to whites as "crackers"and that Black Panther dude on national television that he hated all crackers,and wanted to kill all white babies.Again no condemnation from the media ,nor the President ,who gets all of his information off the booob tube.
Obama has nothing to do with u writing chimps. Ur a racist pos don't need the president to confirm that.
Aimee

Willingboro, NJ

#52 Jul 14, 2013
The Man wrote:
Aimee, you are out in left field with a hockey stick
And you sir are on the ice with my cleats, I will surely give you back your stick for my cleats.

Since: Apr 12

Riverton, NJ

#53 Jul 14, 2013
The Man wrote:
"Tell me something... You really say that if you saw two people in a fist fight with one clearly gaining the upper-hand over someone you cared about... your first instinct is to shoot? That says a lot about your character and virtues."
What I wrote was..
"Let me tell you something. If I found somebody slamming a loved ones head into concrete they would be shot if my gun was handy."
Gaining the upper-hand in a fist fight is a completely different scenario from slamming someone's head into concrete.
You have chosen to omit something rather pertinent to the discussion.
Forgive me for considering the slamming as part of hand to hand combat... It was a fist fight.
The Man

Pennsauken, NJ

#54 Jul 14, 2013
Haruko57 wrote:
<quoted text>
Again... the case you're referencing is a different scenario, like the Alexander case...
Also, while I'm not sure if Enemy Combatant was saying this, but I interpreted his complaint of meaning that, if this were a black on black killing... this would have gone a lot differently, and also... if it were a black on white trial, the result likely would have been different as well... It's exceedingly rare, to the point where a lot of people say it has yet to happen in all of US history (I haven't checked so I don't know. Though you'd think something like this would be somewhat "historic", so it's rather safe to assume...) for a white person charged with the murder of a black person, to be convicted. These overbearing trends bring people to believe that the system still greatly favors white people over all others... more specifically black people... It's saddening really... too bad. That's part of why people are so upset, and the NAACP, who's main purpose is to serve the black community, felt the need to apply some pressure to the justice department... trust me.. from what I could see and hear over this past year of BS, there was no "wait a few days for smoke to clear." Many of the black community look to the NAACP to act on our behalf... if anything, their immediate action has possibly stopped some people from "taking to the streets". Now that they're involved, they can potentially step up and say to any dumbasses that try to start something, "We will do whatever we can, please do not do anything to impede our struggle. Rather, place your trust in us to represent all of you." or some kind of line like that, and some of them will back off. I see their actions as trying to control the flames, make sure it doesn't turn into a wildfire, rather than putting gasoline on them... Also, this way, if things still go wrong, some of the anger may be slightly deferred to the NAACP for not doing well enough... Meh but that's just how I see it.
"if it were a black on white trial, the result likely would have been different as well... It's exceedingly rare, to the point where a lot of people say it has yet to happen in all of US history (I haven't checked so I don't know. Though you'd think something like this would be somewhat "historic", so it's rather safe to assume...) for a white person charged with the murder of a black person, to be convicted."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James...
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/22/us/teenager...
That is just another myth. White people do get sentenced "even to death" for killing blacks.
Frank

Los Angeles, CA

#55 Jul 14, 2013
The Man wrote:
<quoted text>
"if it were a black on white trial, the result likely would have been different as well... It's exceedingly rare, to the point where a lot of people say it has yet to happen in all of US history (I haven't checked so I don't know. Though you'd think something like this would be somewhat "historic", so it's rather safe to assume...) for a white person charged with the murder of a black person, to be convicted."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James...
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/22/us/teenager...
That is just another myth. White people do get sentenced "even to death" for killing blacks.
Same situation, but Zimmerman is Black and Trayvon White case never would have been filed.

Since: Apr 12

Riverton, NJ

#56 Jul 15, 2013
The Man wrote:
<quoted text>
"if it were a black on white trial, the result likely would have been different as well... It's exceedingly rare, to the point where a lot of people say it has yet to happen in all of US history (I haven't checked so I don't know. Though you'd think something like this would be somewhat "historic", so it's rather safe to assume...) for a white person charged with the murder of a black person, to be convicted."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James...
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/22/us/teenager...
That is just another myth. White people do get sentenced "even to death" for killing blacks.
ooh yay.. so it HAS happened at least twice.... is that a "yay"? Not really much to "yay" about... Still... one pleaded guilty, and the other was way too brutal NOT to convict (Black community would have probably likened it to the Emmett Till murder and caused quite the kerfuffle if they didn't)... Not to mention there was absolutely clear hatred (racial or not) in those two cases... Crap... I'm actually kinda intrigued enough to research this now... Has there been any case of more "trivial" (or maybe the word I'm looking for is typical?) murders, like a simple shootings (one shot kills and stuff that don't give much hint to extreme hatred), or someone dying in a fight, or dispute... a situation similar to the zimmerman case where race doesn't have to necessarily be a major part of the problem, where the white defense is convicted of murder of a black person? Nothing really brutal... doesn't even have to be a 1st degree... it'd have to be murder though, maybe I'll include the manslaughter charges in the search, but I really want the murder results. If only I had the time... Maybe once this summer job is done with I'll do a full investigation... if I'm still interested by then lol... I know just where I'd start too... Should be easy enough to find the convictions of white gang members... there's gotta be something within that group right? If I find enough cases like what I'm looking for, I could have my friend post it on his blog. He's always on using his blog to argue with his MAJORLY afrocentric friend... You know... the ones who focus solely on black history and culture to point where it's almost annoying... except this one IS annoying because he's also an exceedingly vocal and active supporter of the New Black Panther Party, and calls me a self-hating racist because I think the new Black Panthers disgrace themselves rather regularly and would have no part of them... You know... the ones that change their full name saying "That's my slave name given to me by the white man." I don't get that... you wanna change your last name? Fine I guess... but your FIRST name was given to you by your parents.... not "the white man". Then he had the nerve to retort that his parents were just "brainwashed servants to the white man" Dafuq? You're dad's an Obstetrician... you're mom teaches high school AP government... you practically lived in the Huxtable family! What kind of disrespectful brat calls the parents that loved you raised you and gave you everything you needed says that? whatever... he's one of those, and he annoys the ever-living crap out of both of us, me especially... I generally just don't associate with him, but he and my other friend have been together since they were like 2, so my friend is putting up with it... Though it seems to me he actually enjoys their arguments... Maybe it would be better for him to research and just tell me how it goes lol.
bill

Wilmington, DE

#57 Jul 15, 2013
Haruko57 wrote:
<quoted text>
ooh yay.. so it HAS happened at least twice.... is that a "yay"? Not really much to "yay" about... Still... one pleaded guilty, and the other was way too brutal NOT to convict (Black community would have probably likened it to the Emmett Till murder and caused quite the kerfuffle if they didn't)... Not to mention there was absolutely clear hatred (racial or not) in those two cases... Crap... I'm actually kinda intrigued enough to research this now... Has there been any case of more "trivial" (or maybe the word I'm looking for is typical?) murders, like a simple shootings (one shot kills and stuff that don't give much hint to extreme hatred), or someone dying in a fight, or dispute... a situation similar to the zimmerman case where race doesn't have to necessarily be a major part of the problem, where the white defense is convicted of murder of a black person? Nothing really brutal... doesn't even have to be a 1st degree... it'd have to be murder though, maybe I'll include the manslaughter charges in the search, but I really want the murder results. If only I had the time... Maybe once this summer job is done with I'll do a full investigation... if I'm still interested by then lol... I know just where I'd start too... Should be easy enough to find the convictions of white gang members... there's gotta be something within that group right? If I find enough cases like what I'm looking for, I could have my friend post it on his blog. He's always on using his blog to argue with his MAJORLY afrocentric friend... You know... the ones who focus solely on black history and culture to point where it's almost annoying... except this one IS annoying because he's also an exceedingly vocal and active supporter of the New Black Panther Party, and calls me a self-hating racist because I think the new Black Panthers disgrace themselves rather regularly and would have no part of them... You know... the ones that change their full name saying "That's my slave name given to me by the white man." I don't get that... you wanna change your last name? Fine I guess... but your FIRST name was given to you by your parents.... not "the white man". Then he had the nerve to retort that his parents were just "brainwashed servants to the white man" Dafuq? You're dad's an Obstetrician... you're mom teaches high school AP government... you practically lived in the Huxtable family! What kind of disrespectful brat calls the parents that loved you raised you and gave you everything you needed says that? whatever... he's one of those, and he annoys the ever-living crap out of both of us, me especially... I generally just don't associate with him, but he and my other friend have been together since they were like 2, so my friend is putting up with it... Though it seems to me he actually enjoys their arguments... Maybe it would be better for him to research and just tell me how it goes lol.
There have been lots of whites sentenced for killing blacks. Just not as many as blacks sentenced for killing whites.

Since: Apr 12

Riverton, NJ

#58 Jul 15, 2013
bill wrote:
<quoted text>
There have been lots of whites sentenced for killing blacks. Just not as many as blacks sentenced for killing whites.
Are you offering to do the research for me?
Frank

Los Angeles, CA

#59 Jul 15, 2013
The prosecutors in the Zimmerman case are disgusting liars. Prosecutors run around calling Trayvon Martin a child because he was 17. Angela Corey has prosecuted many 14, 15, 16 and 17 year old African-American males and charged them as ADULTS and put them in the State penitentiary. To say Trayvon was a child because he was only 17 means Ms. Corey should go free all those children her and her office charged as adults! Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda cries and says,“I’m not use to losing!” Bernie is use to taking on poor African-Americans that can’t afford high priced attorneys. He defeats public defenders that represent the poor. He looked like a complete idiot when he took on to private attorneys.

Angela Corey is the white version of that girlfriend of Trayvon’s: fat as a cow and dumb as a door knob.

Since: Jan 08

Willingboro, NJ

#60 Jul 16, 2013
Frank wrote:
The prosecutors in the Zimmerman case are disgusting liars. Prosecutors run around calling Trayvon Martin a child because he was 17. Angela Corey has prosecuted many 14, 15, 16 and 17 year old African-American males and charged them as ADULTS and put them in the State penitentiary. To say Trayvon was a child because he was only 17 means Ms. Corey should go free all those children her and her office charged as adults! Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda cries and says,“I’m not use to losing!” Bernie is use to taking on poor African-Americans that can’t afford high priced attorneys. He defeats public defenders that represent the poor. He looked like a complete idiot when he took on to private attorneys.
Angela Corey is the white version of that girlfriend of Trayvon’s: fat as a cow and dumb as a door knob.
What was it Trayvon was charged with again?
In this case the child was the victim and not on tril. Please keep tht in mind
Frank

Los Angeles, CA

#61 Jul 16, 2013
enemy combatant wrote:
<quoted text>
What was it Trayvon was charged with again?
In this case the child was the victim and not on tril. Please keep tht in mind
Trayvon committed battery and possibly attempted murder on Zimmerman. If Zimmerman did not have that gun, Trayvon would have been arrest and charged as an adult by the same prosecutors that went after Zimmerman.

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