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keep the pressure on

Charlotte, NC

#1 Jan 16, 2011
We know you read this forum even though you deny it in conversation.

This is your chance to redeem your reputation and at least attempt to get MH out of the negative spotlight and earn some positive PR.

Cancel the retreat in Greensboro...get a conference room at the Holiday Inn if you must have a change of scenery and order food and refreshments from a local eatery - McDonald's biscuits can't be beat, City Cafe has good burgers and wings and Cream and Beans makes great coffee and baked goods... Save most of that money and the amount you must spend will support locally owned businesses.
Lack of Principles

Charlotte, NC

#2 Jan 16, 2011
This is a matter of Principles. Maybe it is something that you don't have, maybe that is the reason you give a landscaping company over $100,000 to do the work our city workers could do, who also need the money more than Mr. Suttenfield. Maybe lack of principles is the reason you agreed to the greenway project which will cost MH taxpayers money. Maybey lack of principles is the reason you and the Mayor gave over one million of our tax dollars to the WhiteWater Park.

Maybe, that's the reason you should not be re-elected nor never have been elected, you have a lack of principles.
mad in mh

Stanley, NC

#3 Jan 17, 2011
What is wrong with having the retreat at the Mt Holly City Hall. There is plenty of vacant space there.
Old Fart

Maiden, NC

#4 Jan 17, 2011
keep the pressure on wrote:
We know you read this forum even though you deny it in conversation.
This is your chance to redeem your reputation and at least attempt to get MH out of the negative spotlight and earn some positive PR.
Cancel the retreat in Greensboro...get a conference room at the Holiday Inn if you must have a change of scenery and order food and refreshments from a local eatery - McDonald's biscuits can't be beat, City Cafe has good burgers and wings and Cream and Beans makes great coffee and baked goods... Save most of that money and the amount you must spend will support locally owned businesses.
I disagree on spending tax monies on City Cafe spend it on work that needs to be done in and arround the City itself,or on CRO funding.Help the people who needs help.McDonalds make plenty of money---City Cafe can help its self--by closeing and moveing somewhere else!
keep the pressure on

Charlotte, NC

#5 Jan 17, 2011
Whatever....just cancel it and don't spend the money in a different town. I don't want to see them spend anything but if they must they should spend it in our own town. Order from Billy's, El Valle or bring a PBJ sandwich from home I don't care just cancel the out of town retreat.

I donate food, clothing and money to the CRO every quarter - I don't want them donating tax money money either.

They can help people better by cutting costs and paying down debt and lowering taxes.

They don't feel like it's a lot of money and maybe it isn't but they could begin earning a tiny bit of self-respect by canceling it and that's worth millions.
cmac

Charlotte, NC

#6 Jan 17, 2011
Well, at least Mount Holly didn't do something foolish like give a lot of money to another city. It's only 4,000 dollars, people. You act like it is a million dollars!! Oh, wait. Ignore this entry. I just saw the word "Whitewater" in an earlier post.

Well, at least we are helping other cities! Go Mount Holly!!
cmac

Charlotte, NC

#7 Jan 17, 2011
cmac wrote:
Well, at least Mount Holly didn't do something foolish like give a lot of money to another city. It's only 4,000 dollars, people. You act like it is a million dollars!! Oh, wait. Ignore this entry. I just saw the word "Whitewater" in an earlier post.
Well, at least we are helping other cities! Go Mount Holly!!
Why don't you use your own pseudonym to make your point...
Sniper

Charlotte, NC

#8 Jan 17, 2011
keep the pressure on wrote:
Whatever....just cancel it and don't spend the money in a different town. I don't want to see them spend anything but if they must they should spend it in our own town. Order from Billy's, El Valle or bring a PBJ sandwich from home I don't care just cancel the out of town retreat.
I donate food, clothing and money to the CRO every quarter - I don't want them donating tax money money either.
They can help people better by cutting costs and paying down debt and lowering taxes.
They don't feel like it's a lot of money and maybe it isn't but they could begin earning a tiny bit of self-respect by canceling it and that's worth millions.
Gee keep the pressure on, I was with you until you decided money shouldn't be donated to the CRO or food bank etc. You say you donate every quarter and that's great; however, you need to get out of the fish bowl you're apparently living in and get in touch with reality.

It would be great to cut costs, pay down debt and lower taxes, but what are people going hungry and doing without meds TODAY (old and young) suppose to do in the meantime? If the city had budgeted the $4000 already and now realize it's not a good idea, what's wrong with the mayor and council trying to help out some of their constituents and donating the money to a worthy cause?



Insider

United States

#9 Jan 17, 2011
They donate tax money to the Miss Mt Holly Padget, why not give some to the CRO? You know I'm talking about Mr. Guffey, why not?
Sniper

Charlotte, NC

#10 Jan 17, 2011
Insider wrote:
They donate tax money to the Miss Mt Holly Padget, why not give some to the CRO? You know I'm talking about Mr. Guffey, why not?
Insider, what's wrong with you? You know good and well the parents of these children will hock everything including a kidney to put these kids in pagents are only doing it to build self-esteem, a ride on a float in the Mt. Holly parade, and possibly a couple hundred bucks towards college. How can you even compare putting food in someone's stomach to such an important event?

If "keep the pressure on" doesn't want tax money given to the CRO and this person is so worried about cutting the debt and lowering taxes, this person should be outraged by this silly spending.

Good to know this information.

cmac

Charlotte, NC

#11 Jan 17, 2011
cmac wrote:
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Why don't you use your own pseudonym to make your point...
I meant acronym. Sorry.
cmac

Charlotte, NC

#12 Jan 17, 2011
Sniper wrote:
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Gee keep the pressure on, I was with you until you decided money shouldn't be donated to the CRO or food bank etc. You say you donate every quarter and that's great; however, you need to get out of the fish bowl you're apparently living in and get in touch with reality.
It would be great to cut costs, pay down debt and lower taxes, but what are people going hungry and doing without meds TODAY (old and young) suppose to do in the meantime? If the city had budgeted the $4000 already and now realize it's not a good idea, what's wrong with the mayor and council trying to help out some of their constituents and donating the money to a worthy cause?
Sniper, I agree. I can't believe I once supported a self-righteous, holier than thou group. I really am a moron. Mother was right.
Insider

United States

#13 Jan 17, 2011
Tax money should NEVER be given as donations. Taxes should be lowered, and the people should give as they see fit.
keep the pressure on

Charlotte, NC

#14 Jan 17, 2011
They shouldn't donate any money to anything. period.

Those people are eligible for state and federal aid...they are already getting tax dollar donations.

They should provide clean water and safety...anything more is fat and should be trimmed.

If you want to donate then donate...I do...but I don't want the city govt. deciding what non-profit gets my tax dollars....then every nonprofit will feel entitled.
Sniper

Charlotte, NC

#15 Jan 17, 2011
keep the pressure on wrote:
They shouldn't donate any money to anything. period.
Those people are eligible for state and federal aid...they are already getting tax dollar donations.
They should provide clean water and safety...anything more is fat and should be trimmed.
If you want to donate then donate...I do...but I don't want the city govt. deciding what non-profit gets my tax dollars....then every nonprofit will feel entitled.
Do you disagree with the Greenway project? Why are they giving the Greenway money, isn't that a non-profit group?

Have you ever heard of people that fall through the cracks? I'll explain... For instance it is possible that a family of four can have both parents employed and still be living below the poverty level, but if they happen to own a vehicle or are somehow managing to make mortgage payments on their home, they don't qualify. Do you think they should let their home go into foreclosure, sell the vehicle that gets them to their job and then just totally live off the system? Now that's trimming the fat. As taxpayers we can pay for section eight housing (their rent) for them, probably give them at least $450 a month in Food Stamps and provide Medicaid because we need to cut the fat and can't help them through a rough patch. I'm only talking about necessities for people not luxuries and not long term. I think help with a food voucher, heating fuel or help with a utility bill is a lot cheaper short term because once people get on the system it's just too easy to stay on it.

I guess you also would disagree that there's no need for a soup kitchen. Do you know how many people, especially older people, go to bed hungry? Most of them draw next to nothing and what SSI they do receive barely pays utilities and the deductibles for their meds, so there's no more aide for them. Soup kitchens are operated by people like yourself who donate and restaurants that donate their leftovers, area churches contribute from their pantries and the food is prepared by volunteers.

I would gladly volunteer and have at soup kitchens and I would hope that if one were in our town that somehow our city govt. would throw just a little fat its way.

I guess there's peace in knowing that those that are hungry and doing without necessities are safe and have clean drinking water.
cmac

Charlotte, NC

#16 Jan 17, 2011
Sniper wrote:
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Do you disagree with the Greenway project? Why are they giving the Greenway money, isn't that a non-profit group?
Have you ever heard of people that fall through the cracks? I'll explain... For instance it is possible that a family of four can have both parents employed and still be living below the poverty level, but if they happen to own a vehicle or are somehow managing to make mortgage payments on their home, they don't qualify. Do you think they should let their home go into foreclosure, sell the vehicle that gets them to their job and then just totally live off the system? Now that's trimming the fat. As taxpayers we can pay for section eight housing (their rent) for them, probably give them at least $450 a month in Food Stamps and provide Medicaid because we need to cut the fat and can't help them through a rough patch. I'm only talking about necessities for people not luxuries and not long term. I think help with a food voucher, heating fuel or help with a utility bill is a lot cheaper short term because once people get on the system it's just too easy to stay on it.
I guess you also would disagree that there's no need for a soup kitchen. Do you know how many people, especially older people, go to bed hungry? Most of them draw next to nothing and what SSI they do receive barely pays utilities and the deductibles for their meds, so there's no more aide for them. Soup kitchens are operated by people like yourself who donate and restaurants that donate their leftovers, area churches contribute from their pantries and the food is prepared by volunteers.
I would gladly volunteer and have at soup kitchens and I would hope that if one were in our town that somehow our city govt. would throw just a little fat its way.
I guess there's peace in knowing that those that are hungry and doing without necessities are safe and have clean drinking water.
Let them eat cake.
keep the pressure on

Charlotte, NC

#17 Jan 17, 2011
Yes, I disagree with the greenway projects.

And I do know about people who fall through the cracks and soup kitchens. I think individuals, churches and civic groups should donate large sums of money to them.

I do not think a city govt. should donate anything except in kind services such as police or space for charitable events.

As soon as they deem the CRO or a soup kitchen worthy of a donation then some other nonprofit group will hit them up for money. While I agree with the values of soup kitchens and the CRO, I might not agree with some other religious endeavor, the greenway project or some art council's idea of art.

I feel strongly that individuals, churches and civic organizations should fully support whatever nonprofit they want but leave my tax dollars out of it.
cmac

Charlotte, NC

#18 Jan 17, 2011
keep the pressure on wrote:
Yes, I disagree with the greenway projects.
And I do know about people who fall through the cracks and soup kitchens. I think individuals, churches and civic groups should donate large sums of money to them.
I do not think a city govt. should donate anything except in kind services such as police or space for charitable events.
As soon as they deem the CRO or a soup kitchen worthy of a donation then some other nonprofit group will hit them up for money. While I agree with the values of soup kitchens and the CRO, I might not agree with some other religious endeavor, the greenway project or some art council's idea of art.
I feel strongly that individuals, churches and civic organizations should fully support whatever nonprofit they want but leave my tax dollars out of it.
Let them eat cake, too.
Sniper

Charlotte, NC

#19 Jan 17, 2011
keep the pressure on wrote:
Yes, I disagree with the greenway projects.
And I do know about people who fall through the cracks and soup kitchens. I think individuals, churches and civic groups should donate large sums of money to them.
I do not think a city govt. should donate anything except in kind services such as police or space for charitable events.
As soon as they deem the CRO or a soup kitchen worthy of a donation then some other nonprofit group will hit them up for money. While I agree with the values of soup kitchens and the CRO, I might not agree with some other religious endeavor, the greenway project or some art council's idea of art.
I feel strongly that individuals, churches and civic organizations should fully support whatever nonprofit they want but leave my tax dollars out of it.
I understand what you're saying here, that after a while it could get down to "you gave to this group but not mine." Once again let me reiterate, I'm speaking only in terms of providing food, clothing and necessities, these aren't religious endeavors, arts or anything of that nature. That's why there is separation of church and state and I wish some separation of art and state as well.

Would it make you feel better if the name were changed to Community Food and Clothing Bank? I think you're more hung up on the name than the service provided by the CRO.

When people are strapped for money, unfortunately they have to choose between giving to the church or civic organization or paying their bills. I believe we both know the choice. This impacts churches and civic organizations and their ability to help those in need. If we don't want to provide long term help i.e. state and federal aid to what may be a short term need, then what's wrong with throwing a few dollars to these organizations. Hopefully, it's a win/win, we're not stuck paying tax for federal and state aid for many moons, versus helping folk out until they get on their feet which could be short term and fat can still be trimmed.

As we both agree a Greenway and some of this art is not necessary, but milk does a body good and so does food. Any request made to the city govt. for anything other than this type of assistance needs to be denied for the time being.

Nice talking without getting personal.

K Collins

Charlotte, NC

#20 Jan 17, 2011
Why do you guys keep posting? Everything I say is correct so stop arguing with me.

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