What are the Pro & Cons of AYF vs Pop...
Good

Concord, NC

#41 Feb 26, 2009
coulwood wrote:
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SLATED what does that mean and Tiny Mites has nothing to do with MM except you moved a 7 yr old to MMN instead of an 8 yr old story does not seem be straight. Sounds like you moved a child with less experience and talent up to keep the MMS strong.
Not when he is the fastest player and top 3 best tacklers you have.

No go away.
coulwood

Charlotte, NC

#42 Feb 26, 2009
Good wrote:
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Not when he is the fastest player and top 3 best tacklers you have.
No go away.
So you have try outs before the first day of practice? Breaking more rules!!!
Good

Concord, NC

#43 Feb 26, 2009
Unbelievable. NO, of course we don't have tryouts. But you KNOW who is fast and who isn't. All you have to do is watch them run team sprints at camp. Unless you're blind, you can see the faster ones. Need some glasses?
coulwood

Charlotte, NC

#44 Feb 26, 2009
Good wrote:
Unbelievable. NO, of course we don't have tryouts. But you KNOW who is fast and who isn't. All you have to do is watch them run team sprints at camp. Unless you're blind, you can see the faster ones. Need some glasses?
Ah so we reached the meat of it. You used camp to determine which team you were placing which kids on (try outs)You used a skill camp to pick teams (your words not mine) and then ran sprints as a team.
Good

Concord, NC

#45 Feb 26, 2009
coulwood wrote:
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Ah so we reached the meat of it. You used camp to determine which team you were placing which kids on (try outs)You used a skill camp to pick teams (your words not mine) and then ran sprints as a team.
Obviously, you are ASSuming. No, camp is legit for any organization. When you see the boys run you can't help but notice their speed. And if they played the year before you already know anyway.

If you're a coach you should know that, right? And if you are a coach, and aren't that observant, then maybe you should try coaching tennis or something.
Ike Jones

Chicago, IL

#46 Feb 26, 2009
Im Glad wrote:
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That could hold true for your son since he plays on the line; but my son is a natural RB and LB so playing Center, Guard, DT or DE at the pop warner level didn't help him. I never said POP Warner players couldn't play at the next level. All I'm saying is that AYF better prepares players (depending on the player). In your son case maybe not because he didn't have to make a big transtion to another postion.
To give you another example my nephew played Pop Warner (Guard) and when he tried to make that transition to Middle school playing (Safety) he had a tough time because he played out of positon in Pop warner due to the weight limits. He caught on after a rough season now he starts for South Point.

Yeah, but your nephew went from one position to another. Playing Saftey is about speed, and skill. What kept him and your son from playing Safety and RB in popwarner? Thats a huge switch to go from offensive line to a skill position like safety and weight really shouldnt have much to do with it.Most of the kids on my sons youth teams that spent most of thier time playing on the line went on to play line,linebackers or full back. Something that was familiar to where they have always played at.Im not putting it on you but one of the pros that AYF stress's is that there comp is at the same level, but sounds like the PW game speed may be a tad faster than AYF. AYF is a great org, with open views and ill be the first to say that when they become better organized it may be a lost cause for PW but a ball player is a ball player regardless of where he plays.
Im Glad

Charlotte, NC

#47 Feb 26, 2009
Ike Jones wrote:
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Yeah, but your nephew went from one position to another. Playing Saftey is about speed, and skill. What kept him and your son from playing Safety and RB in popwarner? Thats a huge switch to go from offensive line to a skill position like safety and weight really shouldnt have much to do with it.Most of the kids on my sons youth teams that spent most of thier time playing on the line went on to play line,linebackers or full back. Something that was familiar to where they have always played at.Im not putting it on you but one of the pros that AYF stress's is that there comp is at the same level, but sounds like the PW game speed may be a tad faster than AYF. AYF is a great org, with open views and ill be the first to say that when they become better organized it may be a lost cause for PW but a ball player is a ball player regardless of where he plays.
Good point!! I agree with you. A ball player is a ball player regardless. I guess I'm speaking from a personal stand point. I coached 5 years in PW and only 1 year in AYF. My point was my son and Nephew didn't make the weight at PW so they was forced to play the line. So in that type of situation were your a ball player that has skills but can't make the weight for PW, maybe AYF is best for you. So it basically comes down to the player.

On the flip side AYF speed is not slower then PW. I witness it first hand. The problem with AYF is the talent is not spread out. You might have two or three teams that are stacked and the rest are average. I think if you would have caught the Rutherfordton Raiders versues the Cramerton Panthers then you would have a different take. Our AYF team scrimmaged a PW team from New Orleans and the line didn't hold up. You put the Gastonia Huskies, Cramerton Panthers, Rutherfordton Raiders or the Charlotte Dolphins up against a PW team and it wouldn't even last a half. Alot of people is sleeping on AYF because it's less known but trust the league is not a cake walk. For example Most of the players from The Gaston county Middle school champs played in the AYF.
coulwood

Charlotte, NC

#48 Feb 27, 2009
Good wrote:
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Obviously, you are ASSuming. No, camp is legit for any organization. When you see the boys run you can't help but notice their speed. And if they played the year before you already know anyway.
If you're a coach you should know that, right? And if you are a coach, and aren't that observant, then maybe you should try coaching tennis or something.
Wow!! Who is assuming here. You talk about coaching when was the last time anyone from your organization made the playoffs or finished first in MM and do not count your default D3 mess from 2 seasons ago. There are skill camps run the right way. What you are doing is the same thing everyone from MT Joke does assume that everyone else cheats when the reality is you guys do not know the rules and break them all the time even if you do not mean to. Get off your high horse and fix your problems the right way instead of going after kids that do not attend your schools.
Why do you think people leave you all the time? No one needs to recruit your players some just get tired of getting beat!!!
Hawk Parent

Concord, NC

#49 Mar 1, 2009
coulwood wrote:
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Wow!! Who is assuming here. You talk about coaching when was the last time anyone from your organization made the playoffs or finished first in MM and do not count your default D3 mess from 2 seasons ago. There are skill camps run the right way. What you are doing is the same thing everyone from MT Joke does assume that everyone else cheats when the reality is you guys do not know the rules and break them all the time even if you do not mean to. Get off your high horse and fix your problems the right way instead of going after kids that do not attend your schools.
Why do you think people leave you all the time? No one needs to recruit your players some just get tired of getting beat!!!
I'd curious to know what schools Mt. Holly recruit from.
Ike Jones

Chicago, IL

#50 Mar 1, 2009
Im Glad wrote:
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Good point!! I agree with you. A ball player is a ball player regardless. I guess I'm speaking from a personal stand point. I coached 5 years in PW and only 1 year in AYF. My point was my son and Nephew didn't make the weight at PW so they was forced to play the line. So in that type of situation were your a ball player that has skills but can't make the weight for PW, maybe AYF is best for you. So it basically comes down to the player.
On the flip side AYF speed is not slower then PW. I witness it first hand. The problem with AYF is the talent is not spread out. You might have two or three teams that are stacked and the rest are average. I think if you would have caught the Rutherfordton Raiders versues the Cramerton Panthers then you would have a different take. Our AYF team scrimmaged a PW team from New Orleans and the line didn't hold up. You put the Gastonia Huskies, Cramerton Panthers, Rutherfordton Raiders or the Charlotte Dolphins up against a PW team and it wouldn't even last a half. Alot of people is sleeping on AYF because it's less known but trust the league is not a cake walk. For example Most of the players from The Gaston county Middle school champs played in the AYF.
Thats interesting that you say it wouldnt last a half being that AYF Here in charlotte consist of alot of old PW teams. How did Mint Hill do in PW before they started winning all those titles in AYF, and Charlotte PW is not what you call the best the state of NC has to offer as far as comp goes. It would be interesting to see the Huskies vs Union Rd, Belmont vs Cramerton or the Dolphins vs Freedom Drive.Interesting?
Im Glad

Charlotte, NC

#51 Mar 2, 2009
Ike Jones wrote:
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Thats interesting that you say it wouldnt last a half being that AYF Here in charlotte consist of alot of old PW teams. How did Mint Hill do in PW before they started winning all those titles in AYF, and Charlotte PW is not what you call the best the state of NC has to offer as far as comp goes. It would be interesting to see the Huskies vs Union Rd, Belmont vs Cramerton or the Dolphins vs Freedom Drive.Interesting?
I think we got a misunderstanding. I know what Mint Hill team your talking about but their not in our league. The league I'm speaking on is SWAYF (Southwest American Youth Football.) A PW team wouldn't last six games in our league.(I'm not talking about players, I'm talking about entire teams) First we play ten regular season games, then playoffs and nationals. I promise come check us out this year and you'll change your entire position. For example PW might play Union Rd vs Belmont, how far is that like 20 mins apart? In our league Charlotte might play Polk County with is about two hours apart; or Ruthefordton might play N.Lincolnton; ect... Our talent is spread out so we play against some of the best talent in that area.

The only good game that might (that's a big might) go to PW would be Union Rd vs Gastonia and that's only on Rep. Lets try to set this up if possible, maybe a light scrimmage or something.If you no a team that might want to do this let me know.

I would really like to see these games but last time I tried to set a scrimmage up with a PW team from this area, they were worried about their kids getting hurt. I'm going to keep the team name nameless since they got a little rep beating up on less stack teams in the Gastonia area.
Reality Dude

United States

#52 Mar 9, 2009
I'm glad in Cornelius said:
"That could hold true for your son since he plays on the line; but my son is a natural RB and LB so playing Center", Guard, DT or DE at the pop warner level didn't help him."
Yeah- another daddy thinking his son is a "natural" shortstop, running back, point guard. ugh. Hey- if a coach in pop warner put him at guard, it was probably to help the team win.....and also it sounds like he wasn't as good as the 'other' running back on his team- if was playing OL. As long as he can make weight for a team, the best play. You often see RBs be the bigger kids on the team in PW. Not much technique or skill is learned or required when you hand off to a 175 lb. "fullback" and hope opposing 115 LBers can tackle him. Guess what? Other players catch up to his size, and unless he's a freak of nature at 200 lbs at age 12/13, he'll keep on growing the older he gets to where he should be anyway: OL/DL.
Im Glad

Gastonia, NC

#53 Mar 12, 2009
Reality Dude wrote:
I'm glad in Cornelius said:
"That could hold true for your son since he plays on the line; but my son is a natural RB and LB so playing Center", Guard, DT or DE at the pop warner level didn't help him."
Yeah- another daddy thinking his son is a "natural" shortstop, running back, point guard. ugh. Hey- if a coach in pop warner put him at guard, it was probably to help the team win.....and also it sounds like he wasn't as good as the 'other' running back on his team- if was playing OL. As long as he can make weight for a team, the best play. You often see RBs be the bigger kids on the team in PW. Not much technique or skill is learned or required when you hand off to a 175 lb. "fullback" and hope opposing 115 LBers can tackle him. Guess what? Other players catch up to his size, and unless he's a freak of nature at 200 lbs at age 12/13, he'll keep on growing the older he gets to where he should be anyway: OL/DL.
First before you make a comment make sure you read the comment. I said my son was two big to play running back at the PW not that he wasn't good enough. But that's besides the point SQUARE!! we need more fathers involved in their child activities. We have too many dead beat father that could care less out here to be knocking a good father.

The internet is power. It gives nobodies a chance to hide behind their computer and talk reckless. People want to talk slick on a computer about somebody they don't even know; that's lame to the third degree. How about you lock yourself in your closet and hide partner!!
Reality Dude

West Monroe, LA

#54 Mar 17, 2009
I read the comment. Pop Warner doesn't have weight requirements where you can't play certain positions because you're too big. If you can make weight and be on the team- you can play guard or quarterback as long as you are at or under weight. Nobodies are dads who claim their kid's "natural" position is a glamerous position. Sounds like you are a wanna-be. Apparently you don't very much if you think I don't know anything. Fathers being involved is great...fathers making their kid king of the team because he's got your DNA is ridiculous and I think you know it happens too often in youth sports.
Im Glad

Gastonia, NC

#55 Mar 23, 2009
Reality Dude wrote:
I read the comment. Pop Warner doesn't have weight requirements where you can't play certain positions because you're too big. If you can make weight and be on the team- you can play guard or quarterback as long as you are at or under weight. Nobodies are dads who claim their kid's "natural" position is a glamerous position. Sounds like you are a wanna-be. Apparently you don't very much if you think I don't know anything. Fathers being involved is great...fathers making their kid king of the team because he's got your DNA is ridiculous and I think you know it happens too often in youth sports.
Well that's not the case over here partner!!!! Honestly I come from a boxing background. I don't think my son is no better then the next child. I keep him active so that he won't find the streets like myself. So if I really wanted to brag on my son he's a straight A student that never seen a B and he does Volunteer work for his church.

Plus you sound a little extra senstive. I don't get people like you. I post a comment and you jump all over it like you have some kind of personal interest. What's the problem? Seems like the word "son" and "father" struck a nerve. What is it you never had nobody to support you? Your daddy never brought you that Barbie or Easy Bake oven you wanted. That's what got you so defensive. Plus homeboy I mentor young black kids from my old community. I helped five fartherless kids from my old community earn college educations. So it ain't just about my DNA it's about my community. I Give young children a chance to forfill there potential in life not just on the football field. Don't knock me keep it moving sucker!!!
Reality Dude

West Monroe, LA

#56 Mar 24, 2009
Why don't you mentor young white kids? If I'm sensitive-maybe it's because someone like you didn't mentor me...or maybe it is because I wasn't a natural defensive tackle and was forced to play quarterback by those horrible PW coaches.
Im Glad

Gastonia, NC

#57 Mar 24, 2009
Reality Dude wrote:
Why don't you mentor young white kids? If I'm sensitive-maybe it's because someone like you didn't mentor me...or maybe it is because I wasn't a natural defensive tackle and was forced to play quarterback by those horrible PW coaches.
Actually I'm mentoring a white kid right now!! last year he was making D's and F's, running the streets, stealing from his grandparents home selling their stuff for weed. Now he's on the honor roll in school. He also wrestles. It keeps out of the streets. The team replaces the so called respect or love that he's searching for in the streets.

I think we got off to a bad start; let me reword the "natural" part to "preferred" position. I understand what you saying about these over bearing fathers and parents; but I'm not one of them. I just support my son in ways that I know every young kid deserves. Honestly I'm more proud of his academics and his character. He likes football but that's not who he is; he's a young man that plays football as a way to stay out of the streets. That's why when alot of his friends was joining gangs he went the other way.

Football for me is nothing but a tool that I utilize to keep him focus on what's important, Academics. He knows any C's, D's, or F's and it's no football.
Reality Dude

West Monroe, LA

#58 Mar 25, 2009
Good for you. God bless you. Keep on doing what you are doing then.
Im Glad

Gastonia, NC

#59 Mar 25, 2009
Reality Dude wrote:
Good for you. God bless you. Keep on doing what you are doing then.
Thanks
just a lil input

Redlands, CA

#60 Apr 12, 2009
the pop warner league where im from, "L.A." is a joke as far as the talent and speed...the junior all americans, american youth football and even the snoop dogg league are way better...

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