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Progressives promise alternatives to Gov. Rick Snyder's budget in gatherings Monday

There are 247 comments on the Flint Township/Swartz Creek Advance story from Mar 13, 2011, titled Progressives promise alternatives to Gov. Rick Snyder's budget in gatherings Monday. In it, Flint Township/Swartz Creek Advance reports that:

Calling it an attack on Michigan families and their future, citizens and leaders of organizations opposed to Gov.

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Since: Jan 10

Las Vegas, NV

#254 Apr 9, 2011
SeenItBefore wrote:
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It's well past time people stop trying to instill Social Security and Medicare into the national debt. They simply are not synonymous. The Social Security system is an entirely different revenue and disbursement stream. The national debt is attached to the general fund. So intelligence would keep the arguments separate.
All this disinformation concerning Social Security is simply trying to allow Wall Street to have that bundle of money to fill their own pockets.
What's the difference? Debt is debt, what difference does it make to change the name? Does the problem go away. SS is a ponzi scheme in the truest sense. It's recycled money. No new wealth is created.

I am not so sure they are separate. One revenue source is income tax, the other is payroll tax. What ever the source, it ends up at the Treasury and goes from there.

Since: Jan 10

Las Vegas, NV

#255 Apr 9, 2011
Where do you think the money comes from to support a huge entitlement program like SS? Don't answer from taxes, that's not thinking. Be more fundamental in your answer.
Mark

Rockford, MI

#256 Apr 10, 2011
What's progressive about funding 'business as usual" in Michigan (which seems to be what they mean by alternative)?
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#257 Apr 10, 2011
Here in Vegas wrote:
Where do you think the money comes from to support a huge entitlement program like SS? Don't answer from taxes, that's not thinking. Be more fundamental in your answer.
"Don't answer from taxes, that's not thinking." Oh then please do educate me where it comes from.

You've told me I'm wrong and now you're trying to get me to prove you're right. It's not up to me to prove your negative.

Since: Jan 10

Las Vegas, NV

#258 Apr 10, 2011
SeenItBefore wrote:
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"Don't answer from taxes, that's not thinking." Oh then please do educate me where it comes from.
You've told me I'm wrong and now you're trying to get me to prove you're right. It's not up to me to prove your negative.
Our nation creates wealth by building things. Building things that have value. Not by recycling money around. Tax the rich, handout entitlements, spend it so it flows back to the wealthy.

We create wealth by letting smart, industrious people keep their assets and build things with them.

All you want to do is sit around and be dependent on the Gov't. A worthless, non-productive dependent. Paid to do nothing.

You still have not answered the question, you did not even try.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#259 Apr 11, 2011
Here in Vegas wrote:
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Our nation creates wealth by building things. Building things that have value. Not by recycling money around. Tax the rich, handout entitlements, spend it so it flows back to the wealthy.
We create wealth by letting smart, industrious people keep their assets and build things with them.
All you want to do is sit around and be dependent on the Gov't. A worthless, non-productive dependent. Paid to do nothing.
You still have not answered the question, you did not even try.
Do you realize you are exposing your lack of knowledge when you ask me to tell you where it comes from? Of course you don't.

It's called payroll tax ditz. FICA. And if you had ever earned a pay check you would understand that.
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/money...

http://zfacts.com/p/461.html

Now that you've gotten question answered you can go on acting as if you are smart. I have no obligation to educate you and I will not any further.

Oh, and the rest of your post is simply drivel. You obviously have no intelligence about it other than someone else's talking points.

Since: Jan 10

Las Vegas, NV

#260 Apr 11, 2011
SeenItBefore wrote:
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Do you realize you are exposing your lack of knowledge when you ask me to tell you where it comes from? Of course you don't.
It's called payroll tax ditz. FICA. And if you had ever earned a pay check you would understand that.
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/money...
http://zfacts.com/p/461.html
Now that you've gotten question answered you can go on acting as if you are smart. I have no obligation to educate you and I will not any further.
Oh, and the rest of your post is simply drivel. You obviously have no intelligence about it other than someone else's talking points.
Your boss is interested in only one thing, making profits. To do that, he will hire people who will produce goods and services for his profit. He pays a wage or salary for production. Wages and salaries obey the same laws of supply, demand, pricing and elasticity as any other market. If your boss pays too little, you will go find another job or start a competitive company of your own. If your boss finds out he is paying too much in labor costs, he will either hire cheaper labor, find an alternative to production (like technology), stop non-profitable products lines, ship jobs overseas or just go out of business. If labor demands additional benefits such health care or 401K contributions, your boss will pay them. He does not care who gets the money, he just wants production and profit. But the price he's willing to pay is finite, so increased benefits come from your pay check, ultimately. Same thing with taxes. When the Gov't imposes FICA, healthcare, income tax etc, your boss will pay that too from the same finite price of labor. Remember, all your boss wants is production and profit and of the price of labor gets too high, he'll find an alternative.

Everyone complains how wages have gone down in recent years. They have, your take home has gone down. What you are not getting is just going somewhere else.

That FICA your boss matches. Money out of your pocket.

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