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#10876 Jan 25, 2013
I think our forefathers fully expected and even wanted a country full of heavily armed citizens, what they didnt envision what a country full of mentally disturbed pyschos not getting the mental help they need. They also knew there would be scaredy little gun grabbers like "Ignorance" who would gladly trade away their liberties, that is why they specifically wrote it into the Constitution. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed!!!!!!!
Ignorance

Fairmont, WV

#10877 Jan 25, 2013
hope wrote:
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yeah, and the chart posted is out of sorts with reality. Do you notice they only us south american and African nations? could that be because they are associated with violence? those are actually some low rates lol They haven't included Middle Eastern countries, they have the highest rate of death by gun, for sure. umm...Syria...Palestine..Afgha nistan..ect.
Yea, those numbers don't lie. Our gun violence rates are on par with those countries they named. All of which are far more dangerous than European countries. America is right there with them. That is not a lie. You keep cherry picking facts that suit your cause.

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#10878 Jan 25, 2013
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.- Thomas Jefferson

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.- Ben Franklin

I think I will listen to Ben and Tom over some topix yahoo named Ignorance. LOL
Ignorance

Fairmont, WV

#10879 Jan 25, 2013
MindlessFoxBot wrote:
I will admit assault rifles and such do make it easier for stupid bad guys to kill and quickly, I cant honestly say a ban wouldnt help a little, but is it worth the price? There are many rights we could all give up that in the end would save many lives. Banning violent movies, games, books would save lives, so why dont we do it? Banning anyone under 18 from riding on a 4 wheeler would save lives. "Regulating" atvs so they only go 10 mph would save lives, or banning them all together for that fact. Why is it ok to restrict guns to save lives but not other things that would actally have greater success? What is flawed is the logic that banning certain types of guns will stop homicidal maniacs from killing people. Why are only guns the target when in reality there are many things we do that harm people. Hypocritical people who are scared of guns and ignore the Constitution want to ban guns. I say we ban those people instead. One more thing, why not let the states and local governments decide? Oh that is right, that way you couldnt force your hypocritical opinions down everyones throat. If you want my guns you better change the Constitution, because that is the only way you will ever get mine peacefully.
Peacefully? You would kill a cop or federal agent that might show up to take it? That seems like the type of person I don't want owning a gun.

When it comes to video games, I am torn. On one hand, other countries have the games and not the mass killings. On the other, it seems that these murderers are all in that age group that grew up playing violent games like Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty. There might be a need to regulate the video game industry, if research suggests a correlation.

Your whole premise of why we have a 2nd amendment is wrong. That was written for two main reasons. The founders didn't want a standing army, and at the time a well regulated militia was a viable alternative. The main reason though was to protect slave owners from their slaves.

"In his 99-page article, Professor Bogus argues that the evidence�including an analysis of Madison's original language, and an understanding of how he and other founders drew on England's Declaration of Rights�strongly suggests that Madison wrote this provision for the specific purpose of assuring his constituency that Congress could not use its newly acquired power to deprive the states of an armed militia. Madison's concern, Professor Bogus argues, was not hunting, self-defense, national defense, or resistance to governmental tyranny�but slave control." -- http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/hidhist.htm

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#10880 Jan 25, 2013
Ignorance wrote:
<quoted text> Peacefully? You would kill a cop or federal agent that might show up to take it? That seems like the type of person I don't want owning a gun.
When it comes to video games, I am torn. On one hand, other countries have the games and not the mass killings. On the other, it seems that these murderers are all in that age group that grew up playing violent games like Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty. There might be a need to regulate the video game industry, if research suggests a correlation.
Your whole premise of why we have a 2nd amendment is wrong. That was written for two main reasons. The founders didn't want a standing army, and at the time a well regulated militia was a viable alternative. The main reason though was to protect slave owners from their slaves.
"In his 99-page article, Professor Bogus argues that the evidence�including an analysis of Madison's original language, and an understanding of how he and other founders drew on England's Declaration of Rights�strongly suggests that Madison wrote this provision for the specific purpose of assuring his constituency that Congress could not use its newly acquired power to deprive the states of an armed militia. Madison's concern, Professor Bogus argues, was not hunting, self-defense, national defense, or resistance to governmental tyranny�but slave control." -- http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/hidhist.htm
You and you communist interpretations of the 2nd are meaningless to me. You are a disgrace to the principles that this country was founded on. If the Constitution is not changed and they came to confiscate my guns, darn right I would shoot them. It is called defending the Constitution, something you know nothing about. IF you want my guns change the 2nd amendment, otherwise keep your commie pinko hands off my guns. I think you should move to China, then everything you do can be regulated for your own safety.
WTF

Fairmont, WV

#10881 Jan 25, 2013
no way any of em
Ignorance

Fairmont, WV

#10882 Jan 25, 2013
MindlessFoxBot wrote:
<quoted text>You and you communist interpretations of the 2nd are meaningless to me. You are a disgrace to the principles that this country was founded on. If the Constitution is not changed and they came to confiscate my guns, darn right I would shoot them. It is called defending the Constitution, something you know nothing about. IF you want my guns change the 2nd amendment, otherwise keep your commie pinko hands off my guns. I think you should move to China, then everything you do can be regulated for your own safety.
This man is threatening to shoot American civilians if his interpretation of the 2nd amendment isn't upheld. My opinion means nothing to him, but his opinion is worth lives. Can we please get this guys guns?
Ignorance

Fairmont, WV

#10883 Jan 25, 2013
MindlessFoxBot wrote:
<quoted text>You and you communist interpretations of the 2nd are meaningless to me. You are a disgrace to the principles that this country was founded on. If the Constitution is not changed and they came to confiscate my guns, darn right I would shoot them. It is called defending the Constitution, something you know nothing about. IF you want my guns change the 2nd amendment, otherwise keep your commie pinko hands off my guns. I think you should move to China, then everything you do can be regulated for your own safety.
You are willing to kill cops You don't deserve a gun. You are the type of person that should be denied a gun. I love your name. I think you think its a joke, but it is true.

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#10884 Jan 25, 2013
Ignorance wrote:
<quoted text> You are willing to kill cops You don't deserve a gun. You are the type of person that should be denied a gun. I love your name. I think you think its a joke, but it is true.
A cops duty is to defend the COnstitution, no cop is going to try and confiscate everyones guns. I wasnt threatening anyone, I was stating that I will defend my country with my life if need be. If the 2nd amendment is changed and they ban all guns, I will hand them over. I will not hand them over in violation of the Constitution because some commie says I have to. When the Supreme Court says I have to turn them over, I will. Until then I will die defending the Constitution and my country if need be. You are a pathetic excuse of an American, just the people Franklin warned us about. You even admitted you would be open to banning video games. Move to China.

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#10885 Jan 25, 2013
And trust me, if they try to confiscate people guns without the Constitutional authority to do so, I will not be standing alone.

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#10886 Jan 25, 2013
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.- Thomas Jefferson

They("Ignorance") who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.- Ben Franklin
EEW

Fairmont, WV

#10887 Jan 25, 2013
MindlessFoxBot wrote:
<quoted text>You and you communist interpretations of the 2nd are meaningless to me. You are a disgrace to the principles that this country was founded on. If the Constitution is not changed and they came to confiscate my guns, darn right I would shoot them. It is called defending the Constitution, something you know nothing about. IF you want my guns change the 2nd amendment, otherwise keep your commie pinko hands off my guns. I think you should move to China, then everything you do can be regulated for your own safety.
Welcome to the watch list. You should be arrested!

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#10888 Jan 25, 2013
EEW wrote:
<quoted text> Welcome to the watch list. You should be arrested!
LOL I should be arrested for defending the Constitution? Absolutely amazing. No wonder this country is going downhill.

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#10889 Jan 25, 2013
EEW wrote:
<quoted text> Welcome to the watch list. You should be arrested!
You can switch names but the commie shows through.

You have absolutely no respect for the Constitution and its importance and disgrace the people who gave their lives for its creation and are still giving their lives to preserve it. You just casually trample it like it is meaningless. With forefathers like you we would not even be a country. Spineless and disgusting. I am done. I am a law abiding citizen and if the SCOTUS says I have to turn my guns in, I will. Never happen though since they recently firmly declared it was a Constitutional right to own a gun. Anyway the ban will fail and even if it doesnt, most guns will remain legal and ban supporters ousted next election. How ya like them apples SUCKA!

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed!!!!!!! God Bless America!
Bubba

Oak Hill, WV

#10890 Jan 25, 2013
MindlessFoxBot wrote:
<quoted text>LOL I should be arrested for defending the Constitution? Absolutely amazing. No wonder this country is going downhill.
The country is going down hill because of dick heads like you sweetie.
Ignorance

Fairmont, WV

#10891 Jan 25, 2013
MindlessFoxBot wrote:
<quoted text>You can switch names but the commie shows through.
You have absolutely no respect for the Constitution and its importance and disgrace the people who gave their lives for its creation and are still giving their lives to preserve it. You just casually trample it like it is meaningless. With forefathers like you we would not even be a country. Spineless and disgusting. I am done. I am a law abiding citizen and if the SCOTUS says I have to turn my guns in, I will. Never happen though since they recently firmly declared it was a Constitutional right to own a gun. Anyway the ban will fail and even if it doesnt, most guns will remain legal and ban supporters ousted next election. How ya like them apples SUCKA!
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed!!!!!!! God Bless America!
If they ban assault weapons and try to take them back is that enough for you to MURDER another American? Where is the cut off? Also I don't need to change my name. A lot of people are offended by threats of violence from nutty assh*les like yourself. Grow a dick and get rid of your guns.
Ignorance

Fairmont, WV

#10892 Jan 25, 2013
Bubba wrote:
<quoted text> The country is going down hill because of dick heads like you sweetie.
This is truly something rare, a reasonable person on topix. Thank you.

Since: Dec 12

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#10893 Jan 25, 2013
Ignorance wrote:
<quoted text> If they ban assault weapons and try to take them back is that enough for you to MURDER another American? Where is the cut off? Also I don't need to change my name. A lot of people are offended by threats of violence from nutty assh*les like yourself. Grow a dick and get rid of your guns.
If the SCOTUS says I have to turn them in, I will. I would never murder another law abiding American. Grow a dick and stop being a pansyfied commie who is scared of guns. Guns arent going anywhere, at least not til you change the Constitution....Good luck with that. LOL Have a nice day.
Ignorance

Fairmont, WV

#10894 Jan 25, 2013
MindlessFoxBot wrote:
<quoted text>If the SCOTUS says I have to turn them in, I will. I would never murder another law abiding American. Grow a dick and stop being a pansyfied commie who is scared of guns. Guns arent going anywhere, at least not til you change the Constitution....Good luck with that. LOL Have a nice day.
What's funny? Dead kids. Oh that's right you just don't care.

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#10895 Jan 25, 2013
According to Senator Feinstein, so-called assault weapons have been used in 385 murders since the AWB expired in 2004, or about 48 murders per year. But there were 8,583 total murders with guns in the United States in 2011, meaning so-called assault weapons were used 0.6% of the time.
Further illustrating the small role so-called assault weapons play in crime, FBI data shows that 323 murders were committed with rifles of any kind in 2011. In comparison, 496 murders were committed with hammers and clubs, and 1,694 murders were perpetrated with knives.
Insofar as the AR-15 is used in crimes, the rifle's popularity must be considered.
Besides the AR-15, James Holmes used a best-selling and arguably more lethal shotgun at the Aurora movie theater shooting.

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