Calera and Desal America say Moss Landing desal project would cost $40M to $60M

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Plans are under way for a desalination plant in Moss Landing that would use seawater from deep below the surface of Monterey Bay.

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Rocket J Squirrel

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And how would a plant at Moss landing sell water to Soquel Creek, through a pipe line system that does not exist and could cost as much as as the proposed plant. How does this project propose to produce and sell water at the stated estimate vs that of Cal Am? The two technologies are not dissimilar. Last time I did some service repair at the Moss landing power desal plant, it was build by a Spanish firm and had two local onsite employees, neither two had any background resembling experience in water. One had been a bank teller... and desal america/ calera/ Moss landing Business park plans to sell water at 1/3 the price of of it's competitor? Cost to produce it is the same, basic components come from similar outside sources not to mention energy costs. Neither make pressure vessels or membranes, pumps or controls so how is it one can sell for far less than the other and cal am is seriously regulated?
Without having a single client on board maybe this development should scale back to supply water for it's own needs considering Moss Landing Business park may potentially be the largest user of water in the Sunny Mesa service area. You don't build anything this scale without having clients penciled in. This isn't a case of let's run it up the flag pole and see who salutes it.
Estimates from a company already hesitant to show transparency might not want to pull the wool over any more eye's. There are more than a few raised eyebrows already...
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Great...there's no more water problem!
We now can have cheap $1,200 water where it was freely pumped from our once magnificent natural aquifers.
Looks like our fearless leaders are trying to build the wrong type of desal technology here...
(Let's build three desal plants now. Two publically funded, and a private one with water 1/6 the price...where we live in an area with rainfall like a rainforest?)

Perfect. We can just keep right on overpumping our aquifers 200% and not change our ways at all.

Isn't technology magnificent? Thank you, once again, Dr. Griggs, for UC's imprimatur of feasibilty of yet another desalination plant and legitimacy of the status quo here in the Monterey Bay...

UC's $ 5 million annual berry IP royalty and our 30,000+ undocumented impoverished berry slaves are safe for now? Our natural ground water system here in our region is already irretrievably shot for the scale of ag production which has developed here.

http://www.cityonahillpress.com/2007/05/10/fr...

Let's not think at all about living here within our natural means....
Why should we?

There's too much money to be made...

(btw...what does Dr. Griggs, a geologist, know about desal?...Why isn't Dr. Haddad, head of the new UCSC Water Institute chiming in?...
http://ciwr.ucsc.edu/desalplanning/about.html
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THE PROOF IS THERE TO BACK THIS STORY, YOU MUST YOUTUBE THE VIDEO (YES, THE BUSH FAMILY ALSO PROFITS AGAIN)

China Stealing U.S. Water Supply

Jesse VenturaJesse Ventura's weekly series "Conspiracy Theory" just exposed a plot to steal U.S. water. Sounds outrageous, but they had aerial photos of large yellow barges filled with drinking water from the United States, being dragged to China.

The Chinese built the world's largest hydro-electric power plant, and they use our water to power it. They dump our water in their own reservoirs, where it is either diverted for power, or filled into plastic bottles made in China. Then the water is shipped back to us where it is sold under various labels.

And apparently, there are chemicals in the bottled water and we have no control over any of it. The only solution is to stop using bottled water and soda, or any drink that comes in a manufactured bottle or can. And make no exceptions.

We're switching right now to filtered tap water and iced tea, made at home.

Our rivers and lakes are being drained, leaving dead zones, where the wildlife dies and the remaining water is heavily polluted and undrinkable.

Nestle is apparently pumping water from the source that supplies the Great Lakes, because pumping from the Great Lakes is illegal. And of course, no one can guarantee what exactly is in the bottled water. And Perrier is not bottled in France. I had heard this about Nestle before, but they must have a great public relations company.

The BushBush family purchased a large underground water source in South America, because water is now more profitable as commodity, than oil.

Jesse questioned Congress, which of course, led absolutely nowhere. I don't even know why we bother with these people. The only way to stop this, is simply stop buying bottles and cans filled with anything drinkable.

http://www.trutv.com/shows/conspiracy_theory/...
Eve Volve

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Birth control.
The New Alchemists

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....changing seawater into gold!
Only One Desal Plant

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We do not need more than one Monterey Bay regional desal plant...we never did..

http://pogonip.org/eir.htm

Sounds like Santa Cruz and Soquel Creek are on the wrong technology wavelength, with water 6 times as expensive as this new approach...
We should now hold our Monterey and Santa Cruz desal plans and projects in abeyance until this new approach either proves out or not...
Why build new plants with older and far more expensive technology and harmful environmental consequences?
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Water Privatization wrote:
Great...there's no more water problem!
We now can have cheap $1,200 water where it was freely pumped from our once magnificent natural aquifers.
Looks like our fearless leaders are trying to build the wrong type of desal technology here...
(Let's build three desal plants now. Two publically funded, and a private one with water 1/6 the price...where we live in an area with rainfall like a rainforest?)
Perfect. We can just keep right on overpumping our aquifers 200% and not change our ways at all.
Isn't technology magnificent? Thank you, once again, Dr. Griggs, for UC's imprimatur of feasibilty of yet another desalination plant and legitimacy of the status quo here in the Monterey Bay...
UC's $ 5 million annual berry IP royalty and our 30,000+ undocumented impoverished berry slaves are safe for now? Our natural ground water system here in our region is already irretrievably shot for the scale of ag production which has developed here.
http://www.cityonahillpress.com/2007/05/10/fr...
Let's not think at all about living here within our natural means....
Why should we?
There's too much money to be made...
(btw...what does Dr. Griggs, a geologist, know about desal?...Why isn't Dr. Haddad, head of the new UCSC Water Institute chiming in?...
http://ciwr.ucsc.edu/desalplanning/about.html
Isn't Dr. Griggs head of UCSC's Marine Science Institute? That seems like good qualification to me. Dr. Haddad is a water policy wonk...Probably not the type you want on a technical advisory body.
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Amazing wrote:
Jesse Ventura's weekly series "Conspiracy Theory" just exposed a plot to steal U.S. water. Sounds outrageous, but they had aerial photos of large yellow barges filled with drinking water from the United States, being dragged to China.
Was Jesse wearing his tin-foil hat?
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dont dig doug wrote:
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Isn't Dr. Griggs head of UCSC's Marine Science Institute? That seems like good qualification to me. Dr. Haddad is a water policy wonk...Probably not the type you want on a technical advisory body.
Response:
Brent M. Haddad, M.B.A., Ph.D., the Principal Investigator, is Professor of Environmental Studies at the University of California, Santa Cruz and Director of the Center for Integrated Water Research. Professor Haddad performs research on urban water management and policy and has published on water conservation, water reclamation, and water transfers. He has given talks in both Los Angeles and San Francisco on the topic of Environmental Justice and urban water management, and has lectured on water management in China, India, Croatia, and many other nations. He co-founded the STEPS Institute for Innovation in Environmental Research and served as Associate Director (2002-4). He has served as P.I. on numerous grants in both the public and private sector, and he served on UCSC’s Committee on Planning and Budget....
...In addition to oversight, Dr. Haddad will participate in all substantive aspects of the project."

Educate yourselves...

http://ciwr.ucsc.edu/desalplanning/about.html
Only One Desal Plant

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"Product water would cost about $1,200 per acre-foot, backers estimate, compared to as much as $7,900 for the regional seawater desalination plant proposed by a public-private partnership led by California American Water, and approved by the state Public Utilities Commission on Thursday...
However, backers said their proposal is not intended to compete with the regional plant..."

Query: How is it possible that a same sized (ie 10,000 a/f/yr) private desal plant in the same virtual location, with water cost one 1/6 of that provided by the publically funded plant (costing many times more to construct and operate), NOT compete with "the regional plant"?

Whose water would you buy
Duh

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Rocket J Squirrel wrote:
And how would a plant at Moss landing sell water to Soquel Creek, through a pipe line system that does not exist and could cost as much as as the proposed plant. How does this project propose to produce and sell water at the stated estimate vs that of Cal Am? The two technologies are not dissimilar. Last time I did some service repair at the Moss landing power desal plant, it was build by a Spanish firm and had two local onsite employees, neither two had any background resembling experience in water. One had been a bank teller... and desal america/ calera/ Moss landing Business park plans to sell water at 1/3 the price of of it's competitor? Cost to produce it is the same, basic components come from similar outside sources not to mention energy costs. Neither make pressure vessels or membranes, pumps or controls so how is it one can sell for far less than the other and cal am is seriously regulated?
Without having a single client on board maybe this development should scale back to supply water for it's own needs considering Moss Landing Business park may potentially be the largest user of water in the Sunny Mesa service area. You don't build anything this scale without having clients penciled in. This isn't a case of let's run it up the flag pole and see who salutes it.
Estimates from a company already hesitant to show transparency might not want to pull the wool over any more eye's. There are more than a few raised eyebrows already...
They're not going to send water to Soquel numb-nuts. The water will be utilized in Monterey County! Pay for your own desal plant Lib!
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http://pogonip.org/solution.html

Douglas Deitch
Monterey Bay Conservancy
(Pogonip Foundation, Inc.)...

Re:Clarifications of proposal presented Monday evening, March 23, 1998
Dear Sirs,
In addition to the project described in my February 26th, 1998 letter to the agency, as I mentioned Monday evening, the following additional measures should be considered, perhaps even as necessary and integral to the proposal.

1. Amendment of the PVWMA Act
The Act presently mandates that the present and future needs of all users in the district be met, with a priority given to agricultural users. This should be reconsidered. In approximate figures, about 6,000 of the district's 25,000 ag acres have been converted from orchard and other ag use to water intensive crops since the agency was created. This ag use change on these properties so converted constitutes a large portion (if not all) of the problem. Importation of supplemental water is specifically contemplated by the act to meet these increased needs...

2. Establish Area Wide Water Use Authority
The Monterey Bay Area as a region has serious and chronic water overdraft problems. Monterey County's $1.9 billion annual ag production compared to Santa Cruz County's $255 million correlates to a water use (and abuse) in Monterey County roughly 6 times Santa Cruz'. A water crisis has already been formally declared and adjudication activities commenced in Monterey County.
Given the non-alignment and overlapping of the jurisdictional boundaries of the various water use authorities in our region with the underlying ground water basins, coordinated and effective management of the resource is presently not possible. Due to the significance of the massive agricultural production of the Monterey Bay Area, the environmental sensitivity and bent of the population generally, and the nexus with the Monterey Bay National Sanctuary, a "Monterey Bay Area Water Use Authority" should be considered and established to plan water uses issues (including importation) on a regional basis, taking all users needs into consideration. By this measure, the whole Monterey Bay region can be planned and managed as the interactive area wide drainage and storage basin it actually is. As the largest user in Santa Cruz County by far (consuming over 4 times as much as the next largest user), PVWMA can and should take a leading role in this matter.

3. Consider "Privatizing" Pipeline/Importation and Possibly Other Supplemental Supply Projects
The feasibility of the private sector should be considered as a possible developer and operator of supplemental supply projects, such as the pipeline project, which will provide water over the self sustainable yield of local supply for PVWMA's as well as any other regional suppliers' demands by intertie.

4. Review Underlying Economic Assumptions of Importance and Necessity of Present Level of Agricultural Activity Revenue Generation in Our Economy vs. More Diversified Economy
The submitted proposal assumes that alternate and compensatory revenue generation sources are available (as noted in the proposal) to replace lost ag activity revenues. Due to the beneficial diversifying possibility for our economy that this presents, a review of the economic assumptions used to justify the Basin Management Plan (BMP) in light of current development activities and potentials in the areas noted in the proposal should be conducted and evaluated.

5. Achievement of BMP's Most Critical Objectives
The proposal submitted is the only plan which can and will with certainty achieve the two critical BMP goals of providing a local water supply on a consistent and self sustaining basis and eliminating harmful excessive pumping from the 8,200 acre critical coastal areas identified, therefore providing the most efficacious treatment for the saltwater intrusion problem.
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Respectfully submitted,
Douglas Deitch
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Amazing wrote:
THE PROOF IS THERE TO BACK THIS STORY, YOU MUST YOUTUBE THE VIDEO (YES, THE BUSH FAMILY ALSO PROFITS AGAIN)
China Stealing U.S. Water Supply
Jesse VenturaJesse Ventura's weekly series "Conspiracy Theory" just exposed a plot to steal U.S. water. Sounds outrageous, but they had aerial photos of large yellow barges filled with drinking water from the United States, being dragged to China.
The Chinese built the world's largest hydro-electric power plant, and they use our water to power it. They dump our water in their own reservoirs, where it is either diverted for power, or filled into plastic bottles made in China. Then the water is shipped back to us where it is sold under various labels.
And apparently, there are chemicals in the bottled water and we have no control over any of it. The only solution is to stop using bottled water and soda, or any drink that comes in a manufactured bottle or can. And make no exceptions.
We're switching right now to filtered tap water and iced tea, made at home.
Our rivers and lakes are being drained, leaving dead zones, where the wildlife dies and the remaining water is heavily polluted and undrinkable.
Nestle is apparently pumping water from the source that supplies the Great Lakes, because pumping from the Great Lakes is illegal. And of course, no one can guarantee what exactly is in the bottled water. And Perrier is not bottled in France. I had heard this about Nestle before, but they must have a great public relations company.
The BushBush family purchased a large underground water source in South America, because water is now more profitable as commodity, than oil.
Jesse questioned Congress, which of course, led absolutely nowhere. I don't even know why we bother with these people. The only way to stop this, is simply stop buying bottles and cans filled with anything drinkable.
http://www.trutv.com/shows/conspiracy_theory/...
Heres a link to part 1 of 4 - the video is well worth watching!

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“I'm the One!”

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Hey, let's not capture any of the water around here.

Let's instead use old paradigm, expensive, harmful to the environment, good old boy money making desalinization.

Follow the money, folks. You'll see who wants this to happen. There's no money in capturing water that's free from the sky.

I swear I will grab a pitchfork and march if they give our money to these guys to do this.
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Tow words: POPULATION CONTROL
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Hulk Hogan wrote:
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Was Jesse wearing his tin-foil hat?
Poor little 'sheeple' can't use the resource of the internet to check for 'facts'. Chat rooms and forums are the full measure of this poor 'sheeple's brain. Poisoned to become docile and benign.

I will fight for YOU sheeples, I will fight for YOU to have your RIGHT to drink clean water and eat non GMO foods and not be sprayed with chemtrails and more. I will fight for OUR Bill Of Rights http://www.ushistory.org/documents/amendments... .

Yes, even for YOU SHEEPLE, I will fight against TYRANNY that wants to take your water, your food, your land, your children, and our Republic.
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wouldn't that money be much more wisely spent on rounding up and deporting gang bangers, illegals, and there anchor babys? think about how much money would be saved just on prison cost free schooling and medical care they suck out of the county and state. just saying. oh yeah and the water they waste.
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What's the Elkhorn Slough Foundation think about all this? Why do we hear only from this Doug guy and not Dr. Mark Silberstein? We're spending millions of tax dollars to protect the slough and are entitled to know if these Moss Landing desal plants threatened that investment or the functioning of the slough.
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There goes that Scenic Trail dream. Another 20 years I suppose. Farr out! Moss Landing has an RV Park so all the broken down motor-homes can congregate there. Handouts galore!!
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Elkhorn Fan wrote:
What's the Elkhorn Slough Foundation think about all this? Why do we hear only from this Doug guy and not Dr. Mark Silberstein? We're spending millions of tax dollars to protect the slough and are entitled to know if these Moss Landing desal plants threatened that investment or the functioning of the slough.
We control the Elkhorn Slough Foundation, the Santa Cruz Land Trust, the PVWMA, Soquel Creek Water District, the SC Resource Conservation District, the Regional Water Management Foundation,
http://www.cfscc.org/RWMF.cfm
http://www.cfscc.org/page10002629.cfm
etc., et al,...

and we approve.

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