Santa Cruz County could lose millions with new census designations

Full story: Santa Cruz Sentinel

It's a newly defined urban area proposed by the U.S. Census Bureau. It runs from north of Santa Cruz to south of Salinas with Watsonville in between.

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better quit worrying about buying trains and concentrate on true needs ...like buses
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Where was the Sentinel when this was coming down the pike? Why tell us about it (like other things you tell too late also) when it's history? We can get that in books. We need you to forewarn us so we individual taxpayers can act.
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You don't need buses. You got a new train!
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"This is what everybody fears about the government," said county Supervisor John Leopold....
Personally, I fear lameass big spenders like John Leopold.
its a real concern

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It is not an accurate designation because this is a major agricultural area--dont wee how they could define it as urban,
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I think it is ironic that for 30 years the brain dead Santa Cruz liberal elite has been preaching that the federal government is our daddy and will take care us from cradle to grave only if we trust the liberal politicians and liberal bureaucrats in Washington DC.

Now daddy Washington is treating Santa Cruz like an ugly no name stepchild who was brought into this world by a 2 bit whore and all the Santa Cruz liberals are wondering why daddy is treating us with neglect.

Maybe all the liberals should read the US Constitution.

The federal government was never meant to be daddy and fund all your pork barrel projects.

Get it through your head brain dead liberals: Your personal pork projects are not the primary purpose of the federal government.
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I agree. It's people like Leopold, and Farr that have opened this area up wide to illegal aliens and they refuse to acknowledge the damage. Farr claims to support vets and the environment, but you can't do that and also push for federal aide for health care and food for anchor babies. Illegal aliens have taken many of the jobs that vets would do.

Leopold and Farr are destroying the central coast. Take a course in population dynamics and you will understand why. Farr is taking action to help illegal aliens and is doing nothing for legal residents who are elderly, disabled, or chronically ill.

Joad Cressbeckler wrote:
"This is what everybody fears about the government," said county Supervisor John Leopold....
Personally, I fear lameass big spenders like John Leopold.
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If the feds didn't confiscate so much money in the first place, we wouldn't be begging to get it back.
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How about we just cut out the thieving illegal aliens and their loophole anchor babies out of the equation?
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I drive a car & always will. Public transportation is a joke and is not viable for 98% of the public. Stop giving our tax money to losers. It's madness.
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Richard Saunders wrote:
I think it is ironic that for 30 years the brain dead Santa Cruz liberal elite has been preaching that the federal government is our daddy and will take care us from cradle to grave only if we trust the liberal politicians and liberal bureaucrats in Washington DC.
Now daddy Washington is treating Santa Cruz like an ugly no name stepchild who was brought into this world by a 2 bit **** and all the Santa Cruz liberals are wondering why daddy is treating us with neglect.
Maybe all the liberals should read the US Constitution.
The federal government was never meant to be daddy and fund all your pork barrel projects.
Get it through your head brain dead liberals: Your personal pork projects are not the primary purpose of the federal government.
There is government support everywhere. If you drive a car/truck which uses gas/diesel, you are one of the most subsidized persons in the community. If you use Chevron gas (from Colombia if on west coast, most likely), the US taxpayers pay 3 dollars per gallon for military security along the Colombian pipeline just to get it to port. The costs go on and on. If you drive a gas guzzler like an SUV you are, by your definition, a liberal dependent on federal government spending. Hiways/streets/CHP/accelerated depreciation on ships, refineries/etc.(Not saying this is bad spending, just that it is MASSIVE spending)
People create things by working, often converting natural resources to more refined things, and often creating machines that then make more things. If we grow enough food, and make enough stuff, society goes on and people live their lives. Money is a fictitious concept that is used to implement societal/business/governmental decisions on who will get what. That's all it is. Lack of "money" isn't important to a society. Lack of food/housing/heat/schools/stuf f is.(And it's nice to have some toys too!)
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You sound like a babbling stoner.

Do me a favor: Read the US Constitution and look at the bits where it delegates powers for the executive and legislative bodies, then take a gander at the 9th and 10th Amendment.

The federal government isn't responsible for our rinkadink bus system. Read the enumerated powers again. They are clear as day.

We live in a federal republic. We have a division of government labor in this country. Federal, state and local governments have different responsibilities.

You may have been stoned in your US civics course in high school, so you might have missed out on the definition, but it might do you some good to go over the material again.

The internet is your friend.

Just to be crystal clear again: The federal government is not our daddy and liberals shouldn't be pathetically waiting for handouts from the federal government.
Your are the daddys boy wrote:
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There is government support everywhere. If you drive a car/truck which uses gas/diesel, you are one of the most subsidized persons in the community. If you use Chevron gas (from Colombia if on west coast, most likely), the US taxpayers pay 3 dollars per gallon for military security along the Colombian pipeline just to get it to port. The costs go on and on. If you drive a gas guzzler like an SUV you are, by your definition, a liberal dependent on federal government spending. Hiways/streets/CHP/accelerated depreciation on ships, refineries/etc.(Not saying this is bad spending, just that it is MASSIVE spending)
People create things by working, often converting natural resources to more refined things, and often creating machines that then make more things. If we grow enough food, and make enough stuff, society goes on and people live their lives. Money is a fictitious concept that is used to implement societal/business/governmental decisions on who will get what. That's all it is. Lack of "money" isn't important to a society. Lack of food/housing/heat/schools/stuf f is.(And it's nice to have some toys too!)
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For medicare and other medical programs we are classified as an agricultural area and thus our doctors get less $$ for the same procedures as a doctor in San Jose.

How can we be both a dense urban area and a cheap-to-live agricultural area at the same time?

Both are Federal designations.

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SC Native wrote:
CUTS! CUTS! CUTS!
I love it!
We have the most over paid bus drivers
in the nation!
Enough! You wanted CHANGE, YOU GOT IT!
NASTY NASTY LIBERALS!
Hey,when rents come down to those around Fresno, I will gladly take a pay cut. For now rent still takes half my overpay.

Stinkin Repube!
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Richard Saunders wrote:
You sound like a babbling stoner.
Do me a favor: Read the US Constitution and look at the bits where it delegates powers for the executive and legislative bodies, then take a gander at the 9th and 10th Amendment.
The federal government isn't responsible for our rinkadink bus system. Read the enumerated powers again. They are clear as day.
We live in a federal republic. We have a division of government labor in this country. Federal, state and local governments have different responsibilities.
You may have been stoned in your US civics course in high school, so you might have missed out on the definition, but it might do you some good to go over the material again.
The internet is your friend.
Just to be crystal clear again: The federal government is not our daddy and liberals shouldn't be pathetically waiting for handouts from the federal government.
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I don't do drugs. I did read (every word of) every major US Constitutional case decided by the US Supreme Court since its inception. And I read every word of every US Supreme Court decision (and the dissenting opinions) for each of their cases for each term as they go along. I could talk about Constitutional law for three days while barely drawing breath.

In my view, one can (pathetically or otherwise) wait for handouts wherever they want. The US can spend money, if it desires, in all sorts of ways (that is a different issue for what it is "responsible" for). But if it were up to me, I wouldn't choose to fund all sorts of stuff that we as a society give "handouts" to. Like $75,000 tax breaks to Humvee buyers during the last decade. But I also wouldn't write the tax codes so that people born really rich pay a lower amount of tax on their income (investment income/capital gains) than a working person pays (income tax). All the tax codes and business codes and government spending choices create a set up that splits up the total yearly output among us citizens. In some part, people get more comfort in their lives if they work harder, but in a much larger part a certain class of the really rich get way way more comfort because the rules running the system (the codes above) treat their "income" way differently. Then the next year they have a bigger pile to draw larger interest on, again taxed less, leaving less for people who actually work and produce things. The lines need to be drawn a bit differently (not erased, just moved a little) because we are creating an elite class on par with the royalty of 18th century Europe.

Back to transportation - The amount of fuel per passenger to travel across the country by airliner is about 200 times more than on a train (takes longer though!). And rail maintenance/train stations upkeep is about a wash with airports/traffic control. Bus systems cost a lot to run, but cars cost more. It just depends on which costs one chooses to internalize/externalize in the cost analysis.

And I wasn't stoned in high school, I had a job.
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Sorry for accusing you of being a stoner when you are not.

It was just that your last post(as well as this one) had that incoherent stream of consciousness that stoners seem to have when making an argument.

And, I say this with respect, I still don't see the point of your argument.

You say that you have read the US Constitution, yet you keep rambling about things that have nothing to do with my first post or federalism.

I couldn't care less about your views on the tax code, what is fair and your class warfare.

The point of this article and the point of my retort is this:

A) The US Constitution states in plain language enumerated powers.

B) Liberals have expanded the powers of the federal government way beyond its enumerated responsibilities in the US Constitution.

C)The point of a federal republic is to divide the power of government. Theoretically, the local government is supposed to have the most power, the federal the least, because local power is under local control and more accountable to the people.

D) The bus system is a local institution under local control. It was created by the local populace. It serves the local populace. The district was chartered by local people.

Ergo, local politicians shouldn't be moaning about not getting federal cash that they shouldn't be receiving in the first place.

The bus system is a mismanaged money losing liberal boondoggle just like most socialist programs. People in Texas, Washington, Delaware and Kansas shouldn't be subsidizing local liberal stupidity. The federal government is not a rational, logical redistributor of wealth. Any fool knows this.

I don't care about tax rates, capital gains, depreciation schedules, and corporate profits, because they have nothing to do with this article, my previous post or the subject at hand.
Your are the daddys boy wrote:
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I don't do drugs. I did read (every word of) every major US Constitutional case decided by the US Supreme Court since its inception. And I read every word of every US Supreme Court decision (and the dissenting opinions) for each of their cases for each term as they go along. I could talk about Constitutional law for three days while barely drawing breath.
In my view, one can (pathetically or otherwise) wait for handouts wherever they want. The US can spend money, if it desires, in all sorts of ways (that is a different issue for what it is "responsible" for). But if it were up to me, I wouldn't choose to fund all sorts of stuff that we as a society give "handouts" to. Like $75,000 tax breaks to Humvee buyers during the last decade. But I also wouldn't write the tax codes so that people born really rich pay a lower amount of tax on their income (investment income/capital gains) than a working person pays (income tax). All the tax codes and business codes and government spending choices create a set up that splits up the total yearly output among us citizens. In some part, people get more comfort in their lives if they work harder, but in a much larger part a certain class of the really rich get way way more comfort because the rules running the system (the codes above) treat their "income" way differently. Then the next year they have a bigger pile to draw larger interest on, again taxed less, leaving less for people who actually work and produce things. The lines need to be drawn a bit differently (not erased, just moved a little) because we are creating an elite class on par with the royalty of 18th century Europe.
Back to transportation - The amount of fuel per passenger to travel across the country by airliner is about 200 times more than on a train (takes longer though!). And rail maintenance/train stations upkeep is about a wash with airports/traffic control. Bus systems cost a lot to run, but cars cost more. It just depends on which costs one chooses to internalize/externalize in the cost analysis.
And I wasn't stoned in high school, I had a job.

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Steve Hartman wrote:
You don't need buses. You got a new train!
Best comment today.

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Your are the daddys boy wrote:
I also wouldn't write the tax codes so that people born really rich pay a lower amount of tax on their income (investment income/capital gains) than a working person pays (income tax).
I just want to point out that the issue is a little bit more complicated. Corporations are not individuals who "enjoy" their income. They're investment conduits which reinvest in their business or pass through their profits in various ways to individuals who do enjoy their income.

But large corporations in the U.S. pay around 1/3 of their income in corporate income tax. That's why long-term capital gains and dividends are taxed at a lower rate -- because the corporation has already paid a large tax on its income.

If corporations were taxed like partnerships, paying zero tax themselves but passing through their income to individual owners to pay the progressive individual income tax, then I'd agree that capital gains should be taxed like ordinary income.
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Ride a bike. You get to your destination about as fast as a bus and you get healthier in the process.
semantics

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No Illegals or Anchors wrote:
How about we just cut out the thieving illegal aliens and their loophole anchor babies out of the equation?
That would solve our "water crisis" also.

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