Baseball Mom

Morristown, TN

#42 Jan 23, 2013
Night Caller wrote:
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Sorry to pop your bubble, but I'm extremely happy where I am and financially better off than I would be at East. Besides...it was a pretty lame attempt at an insult. You must be one of those people who thinks East High sports is "da bomb". Think about it for a moment, if Glover is so "hot" of a commodity, why did he leave a stable, classy program in order to come to East? Think about that. You said he was taking teams to the state and winning consistently, so why oh why is he here in Morristown? Please, O wise one, explain this. It's obvious. He lost his last job and needed another one in a hurry.
Oh not so wise one!! Sometimes it is about more than the money. He was not fired, he chose to leave. The reasons he chose to leave is none of anyone's business but Coach Glover's and his family. Besides, he actually had other job offers and turned them down to come here and help rebuild the baseball program. As far as the supplements go, off of the coaches tell the athletes to use them. The thing about Glover is that he actually gives them a guideline of what they need to take and how/when they take them. Go talk to the people at GNC. They will tell you that he cares enough to guide the boys in their training. So, spout some more nonsense.
Night Caller

Morristown, TN

#43 Jan 23, 2013
Baseball Mom wrote:
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Sorry that you couldn't buy your child's way on to the team. Why do you think they did not hire from within the county? Too much favoritism!!! A lot of talented kids would not get to play if some of those people were to coach because their parents do not have the money or the name to get their child on the team. I have seen it happen time and time again. This has been happening for many, many years and people are sick of it. That is why it was time for a change!!!! Get over it people. Jealous does not become you!!!
Sorry, but I don,t have a son playing any longer. Unfortunately his playing days are over...he was, however, a four year starter in college. I myself played college ball (back when we used wood bats) and have coached for a number of years. I say this to let you kmow that I have no ties to East and that I do have some knowledge of the game. Now, while I don't agree with Glover on his 6 minute mile rule (Which, by the way, he will not enforce), I do believe a change was needed. My biggest complaint is that we are consistantly passing over talented young men and women in ever aspect of our school system. I have seen some very talented young teachers who have had to leave this area in order to gain employment. This is as unfair to them as a kid not making the team even though he is talented enough. AS for playing favorites, sure it happens. But it is a rare occurance. And who's to say that it won't happen with the new coach after he's been here awhile. I don't know what you mean by "buying your way on to the team". Are you saying people actually gave Coach Gillis money in order for their son to play? This is news to me. I guess it could happen, I just find it very doubtful. Anyway, I hate that your son wasn't good enough to play in high school. Hope he has better luck in life.
Night Caller

Morristown, TN

#44 Jan 23, 2013
What's really amusing is that the people who post here and sing Glover's praises are the parents of kids who can't play at all. All you ever say is how great a coach he is......basing this on fiction not fact, how sorry the old coach was because he played favorites, accepted payoffs, didn't know the game, blah blah blah. How great will Glover be after your son sits the bench or doesn't make the team? What excuses will you use then? Get real....every little league all star isn't good enough to play in high school. Things change...maybe they don't develope as a player....maybe other kids get bigger and stronger.....kids interests change....any number of distractions arise, like cars, girls, jobs.........don't base his self-worth on his batting average and don't try to live your dreams through his life. Have fun, encourage others, and good luck.
Basball

Morristown, TN

#45 Jan 24, 2013
Night Caller wrote:
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Sorry, but I don,t have a son playing any longer. Unfortunately his playing days are over...he was, however, a four year starter in college. I myself played college ball (back when we used wood bats) and have coached for a number of years. I say this to let you kmow that I have no ties to East and that I do have some knowledge of the game. Now, while I don't agree with Glover on his 6 minute mile rule (Which, by the way, he will not enforce), I do believe a change was needed. My biggest complaint is that we are consistantly passing over talented young men and women in ever aspect of our school system. I have seen some very talented young teachers who have had to leave this area in order to gain employment. This is as unfair to them as a kid not making the team even though he is talented enough. AS for playing favorites, sure it happens. But it is a rare occurance. And who's to say that it won't happen with the new coach after he's been here awhile. I don't know what you mean by "buying your way on to the team". Are you saying people actually gave Coach Gillis money in order for their son to play? This is news to me. I guess it could happen, I just find it very doubtful. Anyway, I hate that your son wasn't good enough to play in high school. Hope he has better luck in life.
If both you and your son played college ball, then you should know about running poles.....timed. This is day 1 stuff. Just because they didn't do it in the 30s and 40s doesn't mean it isn't relevant now. Players today need to be in prime physical condition, not so much to play a game, but to be able to do repeated reps in practice. If a child isn't that dedicated, then there are always other things they can do as an extracurricular activity. Mall walking seems to be popular these days.
Baseball Mom

Morristown, TN

#46 Jan 24, 2013
Night Caller wrote:
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Sorry, but I don,t have a son playing any longer. Unfortunately his playing days are over...he was, however, a four year starter in college. I myself played college ball (back when we used wood bats) and have coached for a number of years. I say this to let you kmow that I have no ties to East and that I do have some knowledge of the game. Now, while I don't agree with Glover on his 6 minute mile rule (Which, by the way, he will not enforce), I do believe a change was needed. My biggest complaint is that we are consistantly passing over talented young men and women in ever aspect of our school system. I have seen some very talented young teachers who have had to leave this area in order to gain employment. This is as unfair to them as a kid not making the team even though he is talented enough. AS for playing favorites, sure it happens. But it is a rare occurance. And who's to say that it won't happen with the new coach after he's been here awhile. I don't know what you mean by "buying your way on to the team". Are you saying people actually gave Coach Gillis money in order for their son to play? This is news to me. I guess it could happen, I just find it very doubtful. Anyway, I hate that your son wasn't good enough to play in high school. Hope he has better luck in life.
No one said my son is not playing baseball. He does play baseball for another high school in this area so I don't have any reason to defend Glover other than the facts. So if your son played baseball in this area, then you know dang good and well that large "donations" have been made for sons to play ball in this area for a very, very long time. It does matter who/what you are in Hamblen County when it comes to kids playing sports. The fact that parents have bought their kids place on a team was going on way before Gillis. Never said anything about Gillis you did. It has nothing to do with him personally, just a broken system as a whole. He was another victim of the Hamblen County "good ole boy" system. Your right, eventually Glover will have to succumb to the pressure from the community and parents, but that is when he will have to move on or play the game. These are the facts. And don't worry about my son, he won't end up another washed up Hamblen County wanna be sports star like so many of the greats who have moved on from Hamblen County. He has no dillusions of granduer. Neither do I. He just wants to play ball and go to college to get an education.
Night Caller

Morristown, TN

#47 Jan 24, 2013
Basball wrote:
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If both you and your son played college ball, then you should know about running poles.....timed. This is day 1 stuff. Just because they didn't do it in the 30s and 40s doesn't mean it isn't relevant now. Players today need to be in prime physical condition, not so much to play a game, but to be able to do repeated reps in practice. If a child isn't that dedicated, then there are always other things they can do as an extracurricular activity. Mall walking seems to be popular these days.
Well, now sonny...I'm not quiet that old as to have played in the 30's or 40's. I do agree that a ballplayer needs to be in good shape to play. However, I do feel insisting that a player run a mile in 6 minutes is a bit extreme. There have been many great players who would never be able to achieve this. A 6 minute mile is a pretty good clip. The hardest thing to believe, though, is that Glover said any player that did not complete this drill in the alotted time would not be on the team. This seems to be a rule that could come back to haunt him and some very good young men. The first rule of coaching is to never make a rule you are not willing to enforce across the board. So what happens if a couple of returning starters are unable to run the 6 minute mile? What a shame. But, then again, you could say that about any rule. Anyway, I hope it works out for him and the team......he sure doesn't need any more coaching clouds over his head.
Night Caller

Morristown, TN

#48 Jan 24, 2013
Baseball Mom wrote:
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No one said my son is not playing baseball. He does play baseball for another high school in this area so I don't have any reason to defend Glover other than the facts. So if your son played baseball in this area, then you know dang good and well that large "donations" have been made for sons to play ball in this area for a very, very long time. It does matter who/what you are in Hamblen County when it comes to kids playing sports. The fact that parents have bought their kids place on a team was going on way before Gillis. Never said anything about Gillis you did. It has nothing to do with him personally, just a broken system as a whole. He was another victim of the Hamblen County "good ole boy" system. Your right, eventually Glover will have to succumb to the pressure from the community and parents, but that is when he will have to move on or play the game. These are the facts. And don't worry about my son, he won't end up another washed up Hamblen County wanna be sports star like so many of the greats who have moved on from Hamblen County. He has no dillusions of granduer. Neither do I. He just wants to play ball and go to college to get an education.
I wish your son well in all he endeavors, I truely do. In my time coaching in Hamblen County, I was never offered money for a player to play. I guess I'm lucky I was never put in that position. I just haven't saw that before. Pressure, influence, maybe.......money-never. Why are you so concerned about the broken system in Hamblen COunty if your son plays at another area H.S.? Does this same thing not take place there? Do they not have influential parents with money and large egos? If not, then I'm sure you are very fortunate.
Former baseball alumni

Morristown, TN

#49 Jan 24, 2013
I agree with what "east baseball dad" said, if a kid cannot run from home plate to first in 7 seconds or so he is not going to play competitive baseball. High school ball is not like recreation baseball, but to move on to play college if you cannot run you Will Not Play!
East baseball, in the late 70's and 80's the program built by Coach Price was then and still is the most dominate athletic program of any sport in the history of Tennessee!
Those days are gone and this community will never see anything ever again like it. I was there and a part of the history, I played and the dedication then was there, today the boys do not have it. My sons are great examples had not the desire nor the dedication.
I came to a few games last year East clearly had the talent to be District Champs but that Gillies he was a dang nut, he personally lost every game I watched by himself. And as I listened to the games and heard those that witnessed it daily he mustn't have had a feel for the game at all.
I have also heard this years team has no chance of a winning season particulary because they have no offense. If you can't hit unfortunately you cannot score and you must score runs to win. I say that to say this, I do not know Coach Glover but he will be judged two ways this year, one because of Gillies' crazy antics and lack of coaching ability during the past few years and number two because he has many limits this year.
Give the man a chance if he can establish athletes making them run, etc and use them and play them correctly on the field he will achieve more than Gillies did last year!
Congregation

Morristown, TN

#50 Jan 26, 2013
Former baseball alumni wrote:
I agree with what "east baseball dad" said, if a kid cannot run from home plate to first in 7 seconds or so he is not going to play competitive baseball. High school ball is not like recreation baseball, but to move on to play college if you cannot run you Will Not Play!
You obviously must have sat the bench a lot! If it takes a kid "7 seconds or so" to run from home to first he has broken his leg. An average player should be running 90 feet in about 3 to 3.5 seconds, this is common knowledge. However, you are right that High School ball is nothing like rec ball. Also, to move on to play college ball, if you can't hit you won't even be looked at. Colleges look for guys who can swing the bat, not guys who can run that is just a plus. If a guy can't hit, he can't get on base and if he can't get on base, he can't score. As for Coach Gillies, the guy knew baseball but there wasn't any leadership or dedication from my teammates. The coaches (Gillies, Wills, and Haun) were willing throw extra BP, hit extra fungo, and work with us, but the majority of the team was too busy trying to be cool with girls in the parking lot before practice and quick to leave afterwards. You said it yourself that the dedication of the players isn't there, then began bashing on Gillies. Know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
Amazed

Morristown, TN

#51 Jan 26, 2013
Baseball Mom wrote:
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Oh not so wise one!! Sometimes it is about more than the money. He was not fired, he chose to leave. The reasons he chose to leave is none of anyone's business but Coach Glover's and his family. Besides, he actually had other job offers and turned them down to come here and help rebuild the baseball program. As far as the supplements go, off of the coaches tell the athletes to use them. The thing about Glover is that he actually gives them a guideline of what they need to take and how/when they take them. Go talk to the people at GNC. They will tell you that he cares enough to guide the boys in their training. So, spout some more nonsense.
Are you trying to convince me...or yourself. Get real....you do not know the facts near as well as you think. Sure, he got run out of middle Tennessee. Why? There are two schools of thought. Since you are privy to the inside goings on of the program I don't need to let you in on the true information. I realize money isn't everything, but would you give up nearly 15 thousand dollars per year to leave a great job with athletes, facilities, parents, and an administration that is way superior to what Morristown is offering......well, maybe our administration is superior, but the rest of the list doesn't compare. As far as the supplements, he technically is not allowed to sell these on school property or at a school related function. Look it up, it's in the teacher's bylaws. I personally don't really care, maybe he can make enough to offset his loses from leaving his last job. Good luck...hope your son has a chance of making the team.
Night Caller

Morristown, TN

#52 Jan 27, 2013
I have posted my last time on this subject.
Slugger

Morristown, TN

#53 Jan 27, 2013
QUOTE who="Basball"<quo ted text>
If both you and your son played college ball, then you should know about running poles.....timed. This is day 1 stuff. Just because they didn't do it in the 30s and 40s doesn't mean it isn't relevant now. Players today need to be in prime physical condition, not so much to play a game, but to be able to do repeated reps in practice. If a child isn't that dedicated, then there are always other things they can do as an extracurricular activity. Mall walking seems to be popular these days!
If you are so knowledgeable of the game then you must know how to spell it, "baseball", that is day 1 stuff!!! Being in shape is needed to play the game, more so for pitchers and catchers than other positions. I have played a lot of baseball in my day and never got tired while doing repeated reps during practice, because you generally get a few seconds in between reps. A coach isn't a machine gun throwing ball after ball in rapid succession during batting practice or hitting flys and grounders the same way, a good coach is going to want quality reps over the quantity of reps (15-20 good swings in 15 mins. is much better than 45-50 ugly swings in 10 mins.). Also, since you're so knowledgeable of the game, timed poles just tell the coach that you can get from one side of the field to the other in under 30 seconds, so no it's not relevant now and never was relevant. What is relevant is doing conditioning to get your feet faster, balance better, first steps quicker, and improve agility. Please take your rec league baseball mentality and go walk at the mall!!!
Called you out

Russellville, TN

#54 Jan 27, 2013
Night Caller wrote:
I have posted my last time on this subject.
Good. It's appears that from your post that you know about the game and you do make some good points about coaching. Just wonder how you know so much about Coach Glover since you have no son playing or trying out? Have you ever meet him? Have you spent time with him and talked to him? I am guessing that you have just in passing at work. By the statements that you have made, they suggest that you are a former coach and you are jealous because he was hired as the head man and you was not. I do not know his past, nor do I care or should anyone. It is no ones business. His record at Franklin shows us all that he knows how to win and to build a program. I believe he is going to turn the program in the direction that it needs to go. Every one needs to allow him to do so. Leave the man and program alone. If he fails, he fails. If he makes progress, he makes progress. Give the man a chance and support him, instead of bashing him. You said that you have coached. You know he reads this crap. You also know that the players read this non sense. Can you not have a little respect for him, the program, and the players? I and others are glad that was your last post on this subject.
Slugger

Morristown, TN

#55 Jan 27, 2013
Apologies for the double post, it wasn't quoted correctly in the first one. I am a ballplayer not a computer whiz!
Cane Player

Morristown, TN

#56 Jan 27, 2013
Called you out wrote:
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Good. It's appears that from your post that you know about the game and you do make some good points about coaching. Just wonder how you know so much about Coach Glover since you have no son playing or trying out? Have you ever meet him? Have you spent time with him and talked to him? I am guessing that you have just in passing at work. By the statements that you have made, they suggest that you are a former coach and you are jealous because he was hired as the head man and you was not. I do not know his past, nor do I care or should anyone. It is no ones business. His record at Franklin shows us all that he knows how to win and to build a program. I believe he is going to turn the program in the direction that it needs to go. Every one needs to allow him to do so. Leave the man and program alone. If he fails, he fails. If he makes progress, he makes progress. Give the man a chance and support him, instead of bashing him. You said that you have coached. You know he reads this crap. You also know that the players read this non sense. Can you not have a little respect for him, the program, and the players? I and others are glad that was your last post on this subject.

Just for your knowledge, "Night Caller" isn't anyone from East. He stated that both he and his son played college ball. The only people from there that applied are Coach Wills, Coach Haun, and Coach McGinnis. Coach Wills played college ball, but his son Tyler didn't; Coach Haun played college ball, but his son is 2 or 3; and Coach McGinnis also played college ball, but doesn't have a son. I believe they may have been upset about not getting the job, who wouldn't be, but not jealous, they're not that way. "Night Caller" may be someone who was passed over for the job, and jealous, but it isn't any one I mentioned. You're right, the players read this crap cause here I am! I agree, let's just see what the season brings.
former player

Morristown, TN

#57 Jan 27, 2013
Congregation wrote:
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You obviously must have sat the bench a lot! If it takes a kid "7 seconds or so" to run from home to first he has broken his leg. An average player should be running 90 feet in about 3 to 3.5 seconds, this is common knowledge. However, you are right that High School ball is nothing like rec ball. Also, to move on to play college ball, if you can't hit you won't even be looked at. Colleges look for guys who can swing the bat, not guys who can run that is just a plus. If a guy can't hit, he can't get on base and if he can't get on base, he can't score. As for Coach Gillies, the guy knew baseball but there wasn't any leadership or dedication from my teammates. The coaches (Gillies, Wills, and Haun) were willing throw extra BP, hit extra fungo, and work with us, but the majority of the team was too busy trying to be cool with girls in the parking lot before practice and quick to leave afterwards. You said it yourself that the dedication of the players isn't there, then began bashing on Gillies. Know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
An average player does not run from home to first in 3.0 to 3.5. The average major league player is 4.3. You were much closer than the other poster but get it right if you are going to call somebody out.
Who

Morristown, TN

#58 Jan 27, 2013
All did apply for the job when Glover got it?
Congregation

Morristown, TN

#59 Jan 27, 2013
former player wrote:
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An average player does not run from home to first in 3.0 to 3.5. The average major league player is 4.3. You were much closer than the other poster but get it right if you are going to call somebody out.
The average major league player isn't busting his ass to get down the line either. The next time you're watching a major league or college game on tv or in person get your stopwatch out, start at contact and stop when the foot hits the bag. Time the batter who is going all out trying to beat the throw from deep short, I guarantee you'll be closer to 3.5 than what you think! I know this thread is about another topic, but this just seems like a friendly argument. Food for thought, the average to above average baseball player (high school and above) runs 60 yds (180 ft) distance from home to second, between 6.7 and 7.5 seconds. Most are at full speed 5 steps out of the batter's box and begin to slow down 2/3s of the way to second. If the average major league player ran 90 ft in 4.3 seconds, then he would run 180 ft in approximately 8.6 seconds. I will deduct 6/10ths of a second off for getting a good push off the inside corner of first base. That makes it an 8 second 60 yd time, that makes it pretty hard to stretch a lot of for sure singles into hustle doubles. You know just as well as I do that the major league players don't go as hard as they can and make the aggressive turn at first on a for sure single like we were taught in high school or college, so don't believe everything you read on the Internet. I know this time of getting from home to first because I used to time runners while keeping the hitting chart on the opposing team 2 to 3 times a week when it wasn't my days to start on the mound in the rotation. You may want to do a little more research on the subject before calling me out! And yes, high school and college teams do get these times so they will know which hitters are a bunt threat or a steal threat.
former player

United States

#60 Jan 28, 2013
Congregation wrote:
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The average major league player isn't busting his ass to get down the line either. The next time you're watching a major league or college game on tv or in person get your stopwatch out, start at contact and stop when the foot hits the bag. Time the batter who is going all out trying to beat the throw from deep short, I guarantee you'll be closer to 3.5 than what you think! I know this thread is about another topic, but this just seems like a friendly argument. Food for thought, the average to above average baseball player (high school and above) runs 60 yds (180 ft) distance from home to second, between 6.7 and 7.5 seconds. Most are at full speed 5 steps out of the batter's box and begin to slow down 2/3s of the way to second. If the average major league player ran 90 ft in 4.3 seconds, then he would run 180 ft in approximately 8.6 seconds. I will deduct 6/10ths of a second off for getting a good push off the inside corner of first base. That makes it an 8 second 60 yd time, that makes it pretty hard to stretch a lot of for sure singles into hustle doubles. You know just as well as I do that the major league players don't go as hard as they can and make the aggressive turn at first on a for sure single like we were taught in high school or college, so don't believe everything you read on the Internet. I know this time of getting from home to first because I used to time runners while keeping the hitting chart on the opposing team 2 to 3 times a week when it wasn't my days to start on the mound in the rotation. You may want to do a little more research on the subject before calling me out! And yes, high school and college teams do get these times so they will know which hitters are a bunt threat or a steal threat.
You started at 3.0 and saying an average high school player. The average college may be closer to 3.5 but not high school. I understand getting to the other bases quicker because of momentum or starting stance but im just talking about home to first. Anyway not trying to have an argument on topix but you over estimate what the average high school player can run if its 3 to 3.5.
Congregation

Morristown, TN

#61 Jan 28, 2013
former player wrote:
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You started at 3.0 and saying an average high school player. The average college may be closer to 3.5 but not high school. I understand getting to the other bases quicker because of momentum or starting stance but im just talking about home to first. Anyway not trying to have an argument on topix but you over estimate what the average high school player can run if its 3 to 3.5.
You're the one who began talking of a major league player which was anunder estimate of 4.3. Time it for yourself sometime, I think you'll be surprised! Just to end the argument and make us both happy let's split it and say a 3.8.:-)

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