Hillcrest church under investigation
BIGDADDY

Knoxville, TN

#226 Sep 26, 2009
help wrote:
Why is hillcrest church allowed to be so involved with hillcrest school which is just across the street? This is a public school yet the school often passes out brochures about religious events held by the church to the children to bring home. They have prayer at every open house and most pto meetings by the hillcrest church. The church often advertises often to children specifically with fun fair type events and even has the school pass out brochures about the fun fair type religious events. My child is ahead of their class and attends hillcrect school. sice the last heavily advertised fun fair event towards the children of hillcrest. it has been a battle at home. resulting in poor performace at school. I have every right to say no if i dont want my child involved in church. Its a public school i shouldnt have to deal with this. It feels like this should be unlawful. its causing a decline in my childs school work. the teacher said this has just started in the last 2 weeks since the last event held by the church and the battle at home cused by the church and their shady tactics. I feel with as much as the school is involved with the church across the road and the shady tactics used to advetise specificall to the children of hillcrest that im obligated to let my child go. this is wrong, so today i whent and ask the preacher about this and he became upset. telling me that is exactly what they are out to do and that they could advertise any way they want to on their property. when i told him i had contacted someone and they had agreed to investigate the matter he basically squard off with me speaking over me in a very rude matter and walked off. i didnt even get to ask him why they wouldnt allow my wife to go to sunday school with my child. they told my wife she needed to go to the adult class, and that parents are not allowed in the kids class. my wife left right after sunday school upset. all that advertiment just to get my child alone in the long run. I say this is unlawful. how do you feel?
We need more prayer and more good religon practices used in school,more now than ever
ReligionS

United States

#227 Sep 26, 2009
What most of you don't understand is the fact that if you allow one religion, then you must allow all. This isn't the eighteenth century and there are many, many different religions. Just because Baptist is predominant in your region, doesn't negate the fact there are hundreds more. If you allow one, you must allow all. Thus, the separation of church and state.
Abdul Morimar Rutbar

Elizabethton, TN

#228 Sep 26, 2009
I am seriously looking to start a Mosque somewhere in the Morristown area for my Muslim brethren that have no where to worship.
I have previously ask some schools if I could bring a poster and have it hung where parents and staff could see it, asking for anyone interested to contact me.
I was told that NO ONE could post any religious items on school property.

It would appear that I ask the wrong school.
I will contact Hillcrest Monday and see what I need to do in order to have my fliers handed out for children to take home to their parents.
confused again

Morristown, TN

#229 Sep 26, 2009
ReligionS wrote:
What most of you don't understand is the fact that if you allow one religion, then you must allow all. This isn't the eighteenth century and there are many, many different religions. Just because Baptist is predominant in your region, doesn't negate the fact there are hundreds more. If you allow one, you must allow all. Thus, the separation of church and state.
So...? It's no different than a pee-wee ball team sending a flyer home with your child, asking you to sign up for their team. It's all OPTIONAL... I'm non-demonimational, and I don't mind if any religion puts a flyer in my kids satchel, even though I'll probably chuck it, along with all the other crapload full of stuff the school sends home... LIKE SELLING CANDY AND OVERPRICED JUNK FOR THE SCHOOL. Now, THAT's a reason to complain, not over religion. Don't you realize that most of our ancestors went to school in churches? That's where they held school, to begin with. Duh... Be happy someone cares about the path your child takes. You don't have to agree, but for heaven's sake... have a little respect. We should be teaching TOLERANCE, not political correctness!
qwerty

Morristown, TN

#230 Sep 26, 2009
It is simple. Go to the school with flyers that say nothing religious on them. Only that you are having a community wide block party and everyone in the community is invited. I am sure you will get the same respect that Hillcrest Church had gotten. The people on here are so good at twisting the truth they should open a pretzel factory. I will be praying for you.
Abdul Morimar Rutbar wrote:
I am seriously looking to start a Mosque somewhere in the Morristown area for my Muslim brethren that have no where to worship.
I have previously ask some schools if I could bring a poster and have it hung where parents and staff could see it, asking for anyone interested to contact me.
I was told that NO ONE could post any religious items on school property.
It would appear that I ask the wrong school.
I will contact Hillcrest Monday and see what I need to do in order to have my fliers handed out for children to take home to their parents.
get real

Morristown, TN

#231 Sep 26, 2009
qwerty wrote:
It is simple. Go to the school with flyers that say nothing religious on them. Only that you are having a community wide block party and everyone in the community is invited. I am sure you will get the same respect that Hillcrest Church had gotten. The people on here are so good at twisting the truth they should open a pretzel factory. I will be praying for you.<quoted text>
I can't believe anyone responded to this moron. Cah't you see it's just some idiot posting as a Muslim just to get a rise. Come on.....a little intelligence ever now and then! Hope your post was just a joke as well!
mjsamp123

Morristown, TN

#232 Sep 26, 2009
Abdul Morimar Rutbar wrote:
I am seriously looking to start a Mosque somewhere in the Morristown area for my Muslim brethren that have no where to worship.
I have previously ask some schools if I could bring a poster and have it hung where parents and staff could see it, asking for anyone interested to contact me.
I was told that NO ONE could post any religious items on school property.
It would appear that I ask the wrong school.
I will contact Hillcrest Monday and see what I need to do in order to have my fliers handed out for children to take home to their parents.
Hillcrest church is handing out fliers to a block party for people who want to bring kids to play games and have fun not to worship..so see your little post is stupid and makes you look like a dumba**..it is not for the church to come and worship at the school...THE FLIERS SAY NOTHING ABOUT RELIGION,WORSHIPING,OR JOINING THE CHURCH...ONLY THAT THE BLOCK PARTY IS AT THE CHURCH (outside)to beat it all.....The person(help)that started all of this wanted to tell a bunch of lies to get attention..i guess they did not get enough as a child...GROW UP AND GET OVER IT!!!
zebraa

Morristown, TN

#233 Sep 26, 2009
ReligionS wrote:
What most of you don't understand is the fact that if you allow one religion, then you must allow all. This isn't the eighteenth century and there are many, many different religions. Just because Baptist is predominant in your region, doesn't negate the fact there are hundreds more. If you allow one, you must allow all. Thus, the separation of church and state.
"Baptist" is a denomination, not a religion.
The religion of a baptist is a Christian. Which is broken into two parts being Roman Catholic and Protestant. Then the Protestant breaks into denominations such as Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Church of God, etc.
In the Southern United States you find Protestants, especially in the "Bible Belt".
zebraa

Morristown, TN

#234 Sep 26, 2009
*Correction. In the Southern United States you find mostly Protestants, especially in the "Bible Belt".
What we do

Powell, TN

#235 Sep 27, 2009
Don't you see folks? All of this is part of the prophecies being fulfilled. The scriptures tell us that situations, such as these, will happen. Christians are to stand firm. This just means that we are that much closer to Jesus coming back again! Are you ready?
I disagree

Morristown, TN

#236 Sep 27, 2009
What we do wrote:
Don't you see folks? All of this is part of the prophecies being fulfilled. The scriptures tell us that situations, such as these, will happen. Christians are to stand firm. This just means that we are that much closer to Jesus coming back again! Are you ready?
people have been saying the prophecies are being fulfilled for the last 1,000 years, and so far no one has called it. these prophecies as you put it were written so vaguely that one could always say its happening, when in reality the same thing has been going on since the beginning of time. Im a Christian, and im an old on, and nothing happening now is any different than the things that were happening 40 years ago. So yeah, i really doubt Jesus is coming back in our lifetime.

Also, the book of Revelations IS NOT about the future. Its all about the past. The seven headed beast or the Hydra is nothing but a metaphor for the seven hills of Rome. the number of the beast 666 is nothing more than Code for the Roman ruler Nero. Its honestly has nothing to do with a so called "apocalypse".
Well

Morristown, TN

#237 Sep 27, 2009
zebraa wrote:
<quoted text>
"Baptist" is a denomination, not a religion.
The religion of a baptist is a Christian. Which is broken into two parts being Roman Catholic and Protestant. Then the Protestant breaks into denominations such as Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Church of God, etc.
In the Southern United States you find Protestants, especially in the "Bible Belt".
But what does that have to do with the above posters point. you can't have one religion in school without all of them. I have no problems with schools having a bible within them as long as they also have a Quran and other alternative religious books. Its only fair, This is America after all.
ReligionS

United States

#238 Sep 27, 2009
confused again wrote:
<quoted text>
So...? It's no different than a pee-wee ball team sending a flyer home with your child, asking you to sign up for their team. It's all OPTIONAL... I'm non-demonimational, and I don't mind if any religion puts a flyer in my kids satchel, even though I'll probably chuck it, along with all the other crapload full of stuff the school sends home... LIKE SELLING CANDY AND OVERPRICED JUNK FOR THE SCHOOL. Now, THAT's a reason to complain, not over religion. Don't you realize that most of our ancestors went to school in churches? That's where they held school, to begin with. Duh... Be happy someone cares about the path your child takes. You don't have to agree, but for heaven's sake... have a little respect. We should be teaching TOLERANCE, not political correctness!
Hey buddy, I didn't make the rule, so don't kill the messenger. However, I do appreciate and respect it and thank God for it. I prefer teaching my children my beliefs. Obviously, you do not realize why the Separation of Church and State exists!!
You missed the entire point of my post. There is no law governing "pee-wee" ballgames or any other sport.(this is ridiculous) I am talking about the separation of Church and State. I explained it completely before and if you didn't get it then, I am not wasting anymore time doing the same thing a second time. Have a beautiful day and remember this is the 21st century!
ReligionS

United States

#239 Sep 27, 2009
zebraa wrote:
<quoted text>
"Baptist" is a denomination, not a religion.
The religion of a baptist is a Christian. Which is broken into two parts being Roman Catholic and Protestant. Then the Protestant breaks into denominations such as Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Church of God, etc.
In the Southern United States you find Protestants, especially in the "Bible Belt".
Thank you for correcting my post. "The religion of a baptist is a Christian. Which is broken into two parts being Roman Catholic and Protestant". There are also many different sub denominations of the Baptist, ie; Southern Baptist, Missionary Baptist, Primative Baptist...these are just three off the top of my head. I would think there are probably hundreds of sub denominations worldwide. Why all the different denominations? I have my own opinion as does everyone else.
zebraa

Morristown, TN

#240 Sep 27, 2009
ReligionS wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for correcting my post. "The religion of a baptist is a Christian. Which is broken into two parts being Roman Catholic and Protestant". There are also many different sub denominations of the Baptist, ie; Southern Baptist, Missionary Baptist, Primative Baptist...these are just three off the top of my head. I would think there are probably hundreds of sub denominations worldwide. Why all the different denominations? I have my own opinion as does everyone else.
That is the reason. Every one has different interpretations on the Bible. However they join together under the solid faith in God. Many people get confused on the Catholic and Protestant thing. But both are Christian. Just different views.
GiGi

Knoxville, TN

#241 Sep 27, 2009
Seriously speaking here, I want to ask a question. I've always heard about "separation of church and state", but looking through the Constitution and other historical documents, I can't find where it is stated. I know it was in the Thomas Jefferson letter that was mentioned earlier in this thread, but where is it found in our Constitution? All I see referring to church is the statement saying that (and I'm paraphrasing) the government can't make any laws governing the free practice of any religion, and the part about freedom OF religion. That first part seems to say quite the contrary: the government can't control a citizen's right to their religion or the practice thereof. The second part seems to say the same thing: you are free to worship as you choose, not that you should expect to be free OF it.

I'm asking this seriously. Can someone direct me to where I can find written documents that say the church can't follow their beliefs because the government has the right to stop them?
WOW

Morristown, TN

#242 Sep 27, 2009
ReligionS wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey buddy, I didn't make the rule, so don't kill the messenger. However, I do appreciate and respect it and thank God for it. I prefer teaching my children my beliefs. Obviously, you do not realize why the Separation of Church and State exists!!
You missed the entire point of my post. There is no law governing "pee-wee" ballgames or any other sport.(this is ridiculous) I am talking about the separation of Church and State. I explained it completely before and if you didn't get it then, I am not wasting anymore time doing the same thing a second time. Have a beautiful day and remember this is the 21st century!
You better read the Constitution again. It says the government cannot influence the church. NOWHERE does it say the church cannot influenct the government. READ IT!
zebraa

Morristown, TN

#243 Sep 27, 2009
Well wrote:
<quoted text>
But what does that have to do with the above posters point. you can't have one religion in school without all of them. I have no problems with schools having a bible within them as long as they also have a Quran and other alternative religious books. Its only fair, This is America after all.
That was just to clearify on the post above me.
However since you mentioned it, in social studies in 7th grade teachers do hit on religion and they spend one or two days on every religion but Christianity (which they spend about 10 minutes) because too many people are terrified of getting people upset. So how is that right? We can not even study the religion that dominates our country the same as every other religion.
ReligionS

United States

#244 Sep 27, 2009
WOW wrote:
<quoted text>
You better read the Constitution again. It says the government cannot influence the church. NOWHERE does it say the church cannot influenct the government. READ IT!
Try and put up the ten commandments in a public school. Public schools are not even allowed to pray during school hours and can only form Christian clubs that meet either before or after school hours. Try it! Then tell me how well that works out for ya!
ReligionS

United States

#245 Sep 27, 2009
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution says:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

The law against displaying the Ten Commandments on public school walls
is a result of court decisions, not legislative action. The landmark
Supreme Court case was Stone v. Graham, 449 U.S. 39 (1980). The state
of Kentucky had enacted a statute that requiring the posting of a copy
of the Ten Commandments on the wall of each public school classroom in
the state. In this case, the Supreme Court ruled that the statute was
unconstitutional because it violated the Establishment Clause of the
First Amendment.

This decision has held up since then, though there are still people
struggling to make such displays legal.

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