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whogivesaDAM

Morristown, TN

#41 Jan 7, 2011
just curious wrote:
<quoted text>I do not totally buy this story cause how did she get in college in the first place?
Here is a little info for you: Any child, regardless of immigration status, is eligible for free primary and secondary education under a 1982 Supreme Court decision (Plyler v. Doe). The Supreme Court feared that denying children an education might create a permanent underclass of illegal immigrants who would probably remain in the United States the rest of their lives. Discrimination against the children would punish them for the acts of their parents, since the children had no choice in entering the United States. The denial of an education to these children would stamp them with an "enduring disability" that would harm both them and the State all their lives.

When students without legal residency apply for college they are asked for a social security number and citizenship status. While they may still be allowed to attend, they are not eligible for federal aid until they gain legal immigration status. Legal status can sometimes be obtained through family or work-based petitions (e.g., U.S. citizen can apply for their spouse or an employer can apply for their employee), or through the Diversity Lottery Program

--Taken from the DREAM ACT site. The key word being *MAY* and there are Colleges around here that accept applications. Buy it now? In the end, she can hope it will pay off in the long run.
Simple

Savannah, TN

#42 Jan 7, 2011
Why do you suppose we have free education in the USA? It is cheaper to educate than to incarcerate. The problem is public schools are full of unmotivated students who are only there for the free meals and because it is the law. At least 20% of the students in public schools are illerate just like their parents. They do not want an education because they do not want to be employed. They want to stay in government housing, sell drugs, and live off the system. I do not see that in Hispanic students. They are motivated to learn. They work extra hard, in almost imposible situations, and are polite and well-behaved. If we do not educate the "natural-born" citizens of America, we will be supporting them. They are not leaving. I predicted 20 years ago that Anglo-Saxon Americans would be the future minority! It is what is happening, people. Get over it.
Meadow

United States

#43 Jan 7, 2011
We are definatly passed the point of "let's fix it" stage. We can scream that it's not right but it will not change anything. Like it or not they are here and they aren't going anywhere. In 10years from now when my kids are grown the Hispanic kids their in school with now will be doing one of two things: educated and competive I'n the job market or selling drugs and and taking up beds In the local jail. I choose the first At this point our problem isnt how to get them home it's how do we intergrate them into our society. That may not be what you want but that is how it will be. Without an education and acceptance the children will be our future drug dealers.

This is not about who has the best behavior or who is more eager to learn. It's needing more resources to assist Hispanic kids get caught up to their grade level. Teach English before putting the I'n a classroom where they don't have a clue what's going on.
You can say send the anchor babies and family back THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!! Accept it so we can move on to ensuring the future of all kids.
Meadow

United States

#44 Jan 7, 2011
Teaching a class where two or three students can't speak English is more than a chanllange. It defintly takes time and instruction from the other english speaking students. I have a huge problem with that.
just curious

Morristown, TN

#45 Jan 8, 2011
Meadow wrote:
Teaching a class where two or three students can't speak English is more than a chanllange. It defintly takes time and instruction from the other english speaking students. I have a huge problem with that.
I agree-why should an English speaking child be put in a class with non-English speaking children. And not all kids are there fromthe projects. I guess Americans have seen it work for the Hispanics so if you can't beat them, join them. Welfare was never meant as a way of life.
Meadow

United States

#46 Jan 8, 2011
Get back on track. The future of our area and our kids (my) concerns me most. This isn't about white trash or behavior and we are past the issue of deportation. If Hispanic kids aren't given the opportunity to improve there llife style and become an accepted part of our community then their only influence is what they see at home. It's extremely hard for a Hispanic child to fit In at school. Especially if they can't communicate. Whether u agree or not, the kids and their future depend on education and acceptance As parents we should encourage them to accept what is happening. As US citizens we should demand some type of reform and let these people legally have jobs. That way when their kids are receiving educational resources not available to our kids we atleast know that they have paid taxes and it doesn't sting as much. Yeah we have Americans that can't find jobs but the point is they are here to stay and they should contribute to our education and roads, our legal system and so on. Would you rather see them working at a job where the pay taxes and are working legally or standing on the side of the road selling drugs to our kids, driving down our interstate with a car full of drugs to supply the dealer on the corner with the drugs he is selling to your kid.
Anglo Pride

Johnson City, TN

#47 Jan 8, 2011
bthekid865 wrote:
<quoted text>Your right and you want hear that from me very much at all. I know they felt the same way and even worse. I really do feel for such a noble people but we should not have to pay for the sins of our fathers. We don't want what happened to them, happen to us. History has shown us first hand what a peacefull invation of ones country can do to the settled people, it never remains peacefull..........BTHEKID
And the crowd yelled AMEN!

“iYa Basta!”

Since: Sep 10

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#48 Jan 8, 2011
Never enough wrote:
Not heard of "The Dream Act"?? Look it up.
First off, the DREAM act did not pass the senate. I think you need to look it up. If you would have read the bill you would know that it says nothing about getting a free ride. They would have to pay out of pocket for their education. Also, any illegal who has ever tried to commit fraud would not be eligible to apply for the DREAM act. That means any illegal who has lied about status on a job application. Also, it would only apply to children who were brought here at 15 years old or younger and have lived here for i think 4 years and does not apply to anyone who is brought here in the future. So it is only to help the people who are already here and do not know anything about their country of birth. Most of them do not have enough money to go to school so they would join the military to obtain citizenship. So I know your kid is stupid because of illegals. Obviously that must be the reason your kid has behavior problems. Who stole your education though? Did illegal babies also make you ignorant?
Meadow

United States

#49 Jan 9, 2011
The whole point of the thread is to point out the struggle Hispanic kids have in class and the FACT they continue to move up grades without mastering the previous grade. They also slow the class down. The "no child left behind act" prevents teachers from moving on until the material is mastered by by the whole class. My point is after English speaking children master the lesson the teacher can't move on. While the one teacher is continuing the material with the 3 or 4 Hispanic kids the rest of the class gets board and that is when behavior issues begin. I THINK if there are more resources available for the Hispanic kids that all kids would benefit. That starts the issue of illegal citizens recieving government money not made available to my legal children. Accept that this is the situation and it is not going to change no matter how unfair you think it is. Where do we go from here?

That was my point.
NO Judgement

Morristown, TN

#50 Jan 9, 2011
Meadow wrote:
The whole point of the thread is to point out the struggle Hispanic kids have in class and the FACT they continue to move up grades without mastering the previous grade. They also slow the class down. The "no child left behind act" prevents teachers from moving on until the material is mastered by by the whole class. My point is after English speaking children master the lesson the teacher can't move on. While the one teacher is continuing the material with the 3 or 4 Hispanic kids the rest of the class gets board and that is when behavior issues begin. I THINK if there are more resources available for the Hispanic kids that all kids would benefit. That starts the issue of illegal citizens recieving government money not made available to my legal children. Accept that this is the situation and it is not going to change no matter how unfair you think it is. Where do we go from here?
That was my point.
While the one teacher is continuing the material with the 3 or 4 Hispanic kids the rest of the class gets board and that is when behavior issues begin.

You need to learn to spell (board) should be bored.

“iYa Basta!”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#51 Jan 9, 2011
Meadow wrote:
The whole point of the thread is to point out the struggle Hispanic kids have in class
You are not fooling anybody. You made this thread to stir up sh*t and that is what you have done. We all understand that. It's okay to do that here it is freedom of speech after all.
Meadow

Elgin, TX

#52 Jan 9, 2011
I'm not stiring anything. My kids education is very important. I see teachers strugglling to spread theirself and teach individual student and In the process either sacrifice my Childs time or continue forward with those two or three students being clueless. I am concerned for all. When we speak of hispanics In out town it's how they receive assistance and it makes us mad or they have free health care and we pay for insurance. Instead of wasting time botching we need to accept the fact and figure out how to make it work for both patties. I don't think it is stiring. Simply bring attention to an issue we seem to be over looking. Thanks for the spelling lesson. No one is forcing you to read all threads. Do you prefer who has the biggest pecker or who's the biggest slut at mcdonalds.
Meadow

Elgin, TX

#53 Jan 9, 2011
I know we aren't patties sorry, parties is what I meant I would hate to stir up the spelling police
CCL

Cleveland, OH

#54 Jun 27, 2012
Meadow wrote:
I worked in an after school program with elementary age hispanic kids. Several of these kids knew almost no English. Can you imagine how scary it would be to sit in room full of people for 6 hours a day and not understand one thing going on around you? Better yet, many of these kids remember crossing the boarder with their parents scared to death they would be caught or shot. How about drinking water from a stream that your brother just took a crap in.
Thanks to Bush, we are still going by "no child left behind". What that means to me, my kid can master the material in class but can not move on to the next thing till most all kids in the class have mastered the material too. So you have this Hispanic kid that can't even speak English expected to retain the material at the same pace as my kid. While waiting on the Hispanic to learn my kid gets board and becomes a behavior problem. But how can u look at this other kid who is scared to death and blame him/her?
I will do anything to protect my family, even if it means moving illegally to another country. It seems if we made it easier to become a US citizen then these people can work legally and pay taxes and buy insurance. That's what bothers us most, right? I get that drugs and crime are on the rise and yes mexcains play a large role In this but if how else can they make money. If they can legally work then they would not have to sell drugs to feed their family. The longer we sit on this the worse it will become
You need to learn the difference between BORED and BOARD...seriously??!!
NObama

United States

#55 Jun 27, 2012
because obama said it was the right thing to do?
bill

San Diego, CA

#56 Oct 4, 2012
demcraps right right

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#57 Oct 4, 2012
I don't get any special help anymore.
a little fact

Charlotte, NC

#58 Oct 5, 2012
The hispanic kids do get special treatment. They do bring our childrens education down because they for one either dont speak english or very little and two if their parents are un educated how in the world are they suppose to help with homework.
The school said for years that the illegals will bring our kids education to rock bottom... and here we go.
mottle

Dayton, TN

#59 Oct 6, 2012
Our educational system is in the crapper regardless of the kids. Our standards are so low that its pathetic. They pass retards every year that can't do the lessons they were taught. Don't wanna hurt the kids feelings by failing them, let's make sure even the worst athletes get trophies too...Poor little, fat, unathletic kids...this nation is fucked either way.

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