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letdown

Morristown, TN

#1 Nov 26, 2008
anyone else hear of the latest big box retailer permanently laying off full time employees? i buy stuff at Lowes and it seems that Lowes has started to lay off some its employees who are full time, one older man (about 65) has been there for 6-7 years and another guy has been there for quite some time, has 3 or 4 kids and another newborn baby. they also got rid of 2-3 others who also had considerable amounts of time in with the company. But, they are keeping their part time people. None of them were gotten rid of. Can anyone believe that a company would conduct these kinds of harsh tactics against their own employees, especially right here at Christmas. I mean for God's sake, one of the dude's has a new baby...
I mean here we have a company that is committing warfare on it's own full time employees, but keeping the part time, temporary people..
I guess Lowes don't want to pay the wages or insurance benefits.. how danged cheap can a retail chain get? Oh well, I guess it will be Home Depot or 84 Lumber for me from now on. Lowes has stooped to the lowest on this one. Who needs to do business with a store that don't appreciate its workers no more than this. I wonder if the upper people in the chain had something to do with this or if it was the manager who made the decision?

“Archangel By the Cross”

Since: Sep 08

Knoxville

#2 Nov 26, 2008
letdown wrote:
anyone else hear of the latest big box retailer permanently laying off full time employees? i buy stuff at Lowes and it seems that Lowes has started to lay off some its employees who are full time, one older man (about 65) has been there for 6-7 years and another guy has been there for quite some time, has 3 or 4 kids and another newborn baby. they also got rid of 2-3 others who also had considerable amounts of time in with the company. But, they are keeping their part time people. None of them were gotten rid of. Can anyone believe that a company would conduct these kinds of harsh tactics against their own employees, especially right here at Christmas. I mean for God's sake, one of the dude's has a new baby...
I mean here we have a company that is committing warfare on it's own full time employees, but keeping the part time, temporary people..
I guess Lowes don't want to pay the wages or insurance benefits.. how danged cheap can a retail chain get? Oh well, I guess it will be Home Depot or 84 Lumber for me from now on. Lowes has stooped to the lowest on this one. Who needs to do business with a store that don't appreciate its workers no more than this. I wonder if the upper people in the chain had something to do with this or if it was the manager who made the decision?
Hey now this can't be true. The MAINSTREAM MEDIA and our GOVERNMENT is saying:

"The fundamentals of the economy are sound." They wouldn't lie to us or anything would they?

So "sound" is an euphemism for effed up?

I think we are only at the beginning of learning how screwed up our economy really is. We are only seeing the "tip" of the iceberg.

“I Used To Be Disgusted,”

Since: Dec 07

Morristown,TN

#3 Nov 26, 2008
letdown wrote:
anyone else hear of the latest big box retailer permanently laying off full time employees? i buy stuff at Lowes and it seems that Lowes has started to lay off some its employees who are full time, one older man (about 65) has been there for 6-7 years and another guy has been there for quite some time, has 3 or 4 kids and another newborn baby. they also got rid of 2-3 others who also had considerable amounts of time in with the company. But, they are keeping their part time people. None of them were gotten rid of. Can anyone believe that a company would conduct these kinds of harsh tactics against their own employees, especially right here at Christmas. I mean for God's sake, one of the dude's has a new baby...
I mean here we have a company that is committing warfare on it's own full time employees, but keeping the part time, temporary people..
I guess Lowes don't want to pay the wages or insurance benefits.. how danged cheap can a retail chain get? Oh well, I guess it will be Home Depot or 84 Lumber for me from now on. Lowes has stooped to the lowest on this one. Who needs to do business with a store that don't appreciate its workers no more than this. I wonder if the upper people in the chain had something to do with this or if it was the manager who made the decision?
Goodness, have you ever managed on a retail level? This has been the trend for 20 years in retail, due to the never ending costs to provide benefits to employees. One of the major problems that the Big 3 automotive manufactures face are the retirement packages that were promised to now retired employees 30years ago.
The company I work for has around 80 employees the benefits, and the costs to administer them have risen yearly to the point where we have started to hire fewer full time employees, instead opting to hire part time folks where we can to, help keep us in the black. The ratio has not changed that drastically due to the fact that we have not laid off employees but converted through attrition.

Lowes’ is looking a few quarters ahead and realizing that construction of new homes is going to continue to tank for at least the next year. This ay be the reason they will survive this mess, while others like Home Depot may, go under.

In this country, unlike the rest of the industrialized world, the cost of health care falls to business and individuals, so we can expect to see much more of this type of event as the economy readjusts to the new economic realities that . Ultimately the individual will pay 100% of their costs.
Companies are not trying to be mean to employees, they are just trying to survive.

“Most Dangerous Man In America”

Since: Nov 08

Jefferson City, TN

#4 Nov 26, 2008
i worked for them years ago and yes, i can believe this! they were asses to work for!
letdown

Morristown, TN

#5 Nov 26, 2008
well funkenstein..you fail to see the reality of the high salaries that CEO's and top executives receive while running these companies.. Why don't the top executives give up their retirement plans along with their insurance benefits?? that way, the people who actually work in the stores could have those benefits and retirement plans..
the only problem with this economy is the fact that over the past few years, the people at the top of the corporations and other big time people have been still collecting HUGE PAY SALARIES and bonuses all the while the workin man is struggling to get by.. Now, how fair is this?
Of course we couldn't have the company executives and presidents, CEO's ,etc give up their benefits now could we? That just wouldn't be fair now would it?
Only the people at the top count these days..
Well, what we have seen is going to ultimately come back and bite the top upper class people in the butt in the end.. They have gotten too greedy.
Again, another thing you mention is the high cost of healthcare.. well, the reason for that is doctors, dentists, other medical professionals, feeling they have to charge such high rates for their services and medicines.. along with the pharmaceutical companies.. all charge too much.
it is a cycle.
here is the cycle.
Doctor charges too much so he acn rip off the insurance company, the insurance company then rips off the patient to collect their money back that was stolen by the doctors..
The medicine companies charge too much for their medicines.. this also rips off the insuance companies..
You see my point???
The RICH people, professionals.. have gotten too greedy and all of the money is going to the top... To heck with the working slaves in the stores and other jobs. they are not as important as the executives.
Only the rich count.
Oh well, time will tell about LOWES.
one thing they might want to do is quit opening so many new stores. I mean look at how they do business.
They keep a store open for about 1o years, tehn close it and open another one up, keep it for awhile, then close it and open up another one..
So much waste.
I hope LOWES pays for what it has done to it's hard working employees.
thinking

Morristown, TN

#6 Nov 26, 2008
The East Grad wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey now this can't be true. The MAINSTREAM MEDIA and our GOVERNMENT is saying:
"The fundamentals of the economy are sound." They wouldn't lie to us or anything would they?
So "sound" is an euphemism for effed up?
I think we are only at the beginning of learning how screwed up our economy really is. We are only seeing the "tip" of the iceberg.
Neither the mainstream media nor the government is saying the fundamentals of the economy are sound, you silly jackass. John McCain let that slip around the time the stock market crashed. If you've turned on a television or a radio in the past two months, you'd know what you said is complete crap. What's more, if you'd read a little more and spout crap a little less, it's fairly predictable what problems are on the near horizon. Nothing's being hidden from the public, you just don't read it in the sports section or comics.

“I Used To Be Disgusted,”

Since: Dec 07

Morristown,TN

#7 Nov 26, 2008
letdown wrote:
well funkenstein..you fail to see the reality of the high salaries...ect.
With all due respect, and I agree with the basic tenants of your reply, the salaries you speak of do not represent very much of the overall operating expenses of a company. If you think that is the cause for the economic troubles we are in, then you may need to read up on Econ 101. It does give you someone to blame, however you are blaming a symptom not the root cause. The ratio of CEO’s salaries to the average worker has skyrocketed in the past several decades. I’ve mentioned that fact on these forums before and was called a socialist! Since you are looking out for the working man, as I am, then perhaps you are a socialist also (joke) Lol So, don’t misunderstand, I’m not a believer in the trickledown theory.
Health care is, and has been, out of control for years and years. I personally think the middle men ( Insurance Companies) are the biggest culprits, however, like the economy there is blame enough to spread around. That’s why we pay more for health care than anywhere else, yet we rank 37th in terms health. The fact that we are a fat ass population who damages our health more than other segments does enter in to this. Tennessee is a prime example of those facts.
The other culprit in the economy is the American People. Sad but true. In Morristown, where furniture was king for so many years, I’ve seen people go to Wal-Mart to buy cheaper foreign made furniture, full well knowing that they were contributing to putting their neighbors out of work, so they could then afford to buy a big screen TV from China. Now see the effects. Own them. Greed has become a virtue in the US. Sad but true.
We have seen the end of Wall Street and the financial markets as they have existed for years. The US is the largest debtor country in the world, ad now its time to see the bubble burst. Hang on!

Since: Oct 08

Jefferson City, TN

#8 Nov 26, 2008
letdown wrote:
well funkenstein..you fail to see the reality of the high salaries that CEO's and top executives receive while running these companies.. Why don't the top executives give up their retirement plans along with their insurance benefits?? that way, the people who actually work in the stores could have those benefits and retirement plans..
the only problem with this economy is the fact that over the past few years, the people at the top of the corporations and other big time people have been still collecting HUGE PAY SALARIES and bonuses all the while the workin man is struggling to get by.. Now, how fair is this?
Of course we couldn't have the company executives and presidents, CEO's ,etc give up their benefits now could we? That just wouldn't be fair now would it?
Only the people at the top count these days..
Well, what we have seen is going to ultimately come back and bite the top upper class people in the butt in the end.. They have gotten too greedy.
Again, another thing you mention is the high cost of healthcare.. well, the reason for that is doctors, dentists, other medical professionals, feeling they have to charge such high rates for their services and medicines.. along with the pharmaceutical companies.. all charge too much.
it is a cycle.
here is the cycle.
Doctor charges too much so he acn rip off the insurance company, the insurance company then rips off the patient to collect their money back that was stolen by the doctors..
The medicine companies charge too much for their medicines.. this also rips off the insuance companies..
You see my point???
The RICH people, professionals.. have gotten too greedy and all of the money is going to the top... To heck with the working slaves in the stores and other jobs. they are not as important as the executives.
Only the rich count.
Oh well, time will tell about LOWES.
one thing they might want to do is quit opening so many new stores. I mean look at how they do business.
They keep a store open for about 1o years, tehn close it and open another one up, keep it for awhile, then close it and open up another one..
So much waste.
I hope LOWES pays for what it has done to it's hard working employees.
What you said about greedy CEO's and other executives of major corporations is true, but what Funkenstein said is true, too. GM alone has over 600,000 former employees drawing a pension. I think that the future for the Big Three automakers will be to relocate in right to work states, as have the foreign manufacturers in this country, with minimal benefits to the employees. The truth of the matter is that you do not need an education to work on an assembly line, and if you have a minimal education, you should not be entitled to maximum benefits. This may piss some of you off, but I don't believe that workers should be entitled to extra benefits just because they pay union dues.

Since: Feb 08

Morristown

#9 Nov 26, 2008
Dude Lebowski wrote:
<quoted text>What you said about greedy CEO's and other executives of major corporations is true, but what Funkenstein said is true, too. GM alone has over 600,000 former employees drawing a pension. I think that the future for the Big Three automakers will be to relocate in right to work states, as have the foreign manufacturers in this country, with minimal benefits to the employees. The truth of the matter is that you do not need an education to work on an assembly line, and if you have a minimal education, you should not be entitled to maximum benefits. This may piss some of you off, but I don't believe that workers should be entitled to extra benefits just because they pay union dues.
Tennessee is a right to work state. So with that in mind. I have found out that our local McDonald's generally require a high school education or GED in order to get hired. So your uneducated pitch doesn't fully apply to right to work states. At the very least doesn't apply to TN?
letdown

Morristown, TN

#10 Nov 26, 2008
Dude Lebowski wrote:
<quoted text>What you said about greedy CEO's and other executives of major corporations is true, but what Funkenstein said is true, too. GM alone has over 600,000 former employees drawing a pension. I think that the future for the Big Three automakers will be to relocate in right to work states, as have the foreign manufacturers in this country, with minimal benefits to the employees. The truth of the matter is that you do not need an education to work on an assembly line, and if you have a minimal education, you should not be entitled to maximum benefits. This may piss some of you off, but I don't believe that workers should be entitled to extra benefits just because they pay union dues.
oh, so then your philosophy is that any factory should only have to pay $7.00-$8.00 per hour where as if a union is involved, the workers would have better pay and benefits...
how GD stupid is yuor philosophy???
Have you ever worked a job that has union benefits? Unions have done great for this country...
The problems arose when the Japanese started selling their GD junk cars here in the US and the public were dumb enough to buy them..
Now, the Japanese moved their factories here in the GOOD OLE SOUTHERN STATES so that they could get the "smart" people in the south to work for NOTHING...
NO, sir, the unions aren't the problem. It is the other countries of the world who have citizens in them that will work for very little pay that is the problem. The corporations moved their factories to other countries to avoid paying TAXES, DECENT WAGES, and BENEFITS...
Now, who is to blame??
Whine and cry all you want about unions...
but you just tell us what a fair wage is to pay for a job these days??$7-$12 per hour???
My God people were making that 10-15 years ago..
Of course here in the south, it hasn't been that way..We have got these stupid trailerpark trash, uneducated people who think that $7.25 per hour is a good pay rate.
Also, have you worked in a factory that is over 100 degrees everyday in the summer? Well, some of these jobs here in Morristown only pay $8 per hour.. but if a union was present that same job would pay $13-$20 per hour plus great benefits..
All I have to say about this matter of corporations not paying what they should... then they just need to close the dammmmed doors and go out of business if they can't pay what they should...
But of course, maybe they can move their company to India or China and pay only 20- 30 cents per hour...
This is a FACT..
I hate to say it, but here it goes.
This whole business with the BIG 3 Automakers is NOTHING BUT A SHAM...
It is an attempt to BUST THE UNIONS...
This whole economic crisis is nothiing but screw job on the American people.. and guess who is behind it? THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.
The United States Govt. does as it pleases.
It controls everything it wants to control worldwide. And, it controls the world markets and it controls the eventual outcome. It may not be perfect in pulling everything off just right, but it does a pretty good job at making things happen to it's full benefit.
Just watch and see. Do some history studying on the Great Depression and see who was REALLY BEHIND IT. Same thing this time. Just a different age.

“Archangel By the Cross”

Since: Sep 08

Knoxville

#11 Nov 26, 2008
letdown wrote:
<quoted text>
oh, so then your philosophy is that any factory should only have to pay $7.00-$8.00 per hour where as if a union is involved, the workers would have better pay and benefits...
how GD stupid is yuor philosophy???
Have you ever worked a job that has union benefits? Unions have done great for this country...
The problems arose when the Japanese started selling their GD junk cars here in the US and the public were dumb enough to buy them..
Now, the Japanese moved their factories here in the GOOD OLE SOUTHERN STATES so that they could get the "smart" people in the south to work for NOTHING...
NO, sir, the unions aren't the problem. It is the other countries of the world who have citizens in them that will work for very little pay that is the problem. The corporations moved their factories to other countries to avoid paying TAXES, DECENT WAGES, and BENEFITS...
Now, who is to blame??
Whine and cry all you want about unions...
but you just tell us what a fair wage is to pay for a job these days??$7-$12 per hour???
My God people were making that 10-15 years ago..
Of course here in the south, it hasn't been that way..We have got these stupid trailerpark trash, uneducated people who think that $7.25 per hour is a good pay rate.
Also, have you worked in a factory that is over 100 degrees everyday in the summer? Well, some of these jobs here in Morristown only pay $8 per hour.. but if a union was present that same job would pay $13-$20 per hour plus great benefits..
All I have to say about this matter of corporations not paying what they should... then they just need to close the dammmmed doors and go out of business if they can't pay what they should...
But of course, maybe they can move their company to India or China and pay only 20- 30 cents per hour...
This is a FACT..
I hate to say it, but here it goes.
This whole business with the BIG 3 Automakers is NOTHING BUT A SHAM...
It is an attempt to BUST THE UNIONS...
This whole economic crisis is nothiing but screw job on the American people.. and guess who is behind it? THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.
The United States Govt. does as it pleases.
It controls everything it wants to control worldwide. And, it controls the world markets and it controls the eventual outcome. It may not be perfect in pulling everything off just right, but it does a pretty good job at making things happen to it's full benefit.
Just watch and see. Do some history studying on the Great Depression and see who was REALLY BEHIND IT. Same thing this time. Just a different age.
Wow I agree totally. Good job. You hit every major point. Also remember its been your tax dollars that have subsidized the costs for those companies to move overseas.

No compassion for workers in those parts of the world. Why haven't Christians stepped up to stop the wage slavery that exists at home and abroad?

Oh wait Southern Christians supported slavery during the Civil War. Not much has changed. Now slavery is suffered by all races, in all countries except the more socialized ones in England and France.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy#The_Ir...

America is becoming a fascist country. It is the mixture of free-market capitalism (no Unions), unrestricted corporate power, and a government which consist of an organized and powerful elite pulled together from the highest and wealthiest people in our country. Their wealth and power insures that the LAW is always on their side.

Remember that only 4 families control all the major news organizations in the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

“Archangel By the Cross”

Since: Sep 08

Knoxville

#12 Nov 26, 2008
All most people ask for is a living wage. Every American should reconsider building their lives around earthly possessions and consumerism.

People need to study the economics of Christianity. Christians are the single most powerful voting organization in the United States. If only the would use their power in the name of Jesus. They could stop all of this economic nonsense. I ADMIRE HOW POWERFUL, HONEST, ETHICAL, AND MORAL CHRISTIANS CAN BE WHEN THE FOLLOW JESUS AND HIS TEACHINGS TO THE LETTER.

"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." (Matthew 19:24)

Or is it something along these lines?
Jesus' hearers believed that wealth and prosperity were a sign of God's blessing (in Leviticus and Deuteronomy). So their angered confusion is more along the lines that, "if the rich, who must be seen as righteous by God by dint of their evident blessing, can't be saved, who can be?". Later Christians have turned this around to portray wealth as a hindrance to salvation, which it can be – but no more so than many other things, when the message is that salvation is impossible for all men for it comes from God alone.

So the Bible condones massed wealth and opposes massed wealth simultaniously. This makes no sense.

I applaud enlightened Christians who oppose modern slavery.

"Respect for life, resulting from contemplation on one's own conscious will to live, leads the individual to live in the service of other people and of every living creature. Schweitzer was much respected for putting his theory into practice in his own life." -Albert Schweitzer

"A man is truly ethical only when he obeys the compulsion to help all life which he is able to assist, and shrinks from injuring anything that lives." -Albert Schweitzer

"If all this oppression and all this sin and shame are perpetrated under the eye of the German God, or the American God, or the British God, and if our states do not feel obliged first to lay aside their claim to be "Christian" — then the name of Jesus is blasphemed and made a mockery. And the Christianity of our states is blasphemed and made a mockery before those poor people. The name of Jesus has become a curse, and our Christianity — yours and mine — has become a falsehood and a disgrace, if the crimes are not atoned for in the very place where they were instigated. For every person who committed an atrocity in Jesus' name, someone must step in to help in Jesus' name; for every person who robbed, someone must bring a replacement; for everyone who cursed, someone must bless." -Albert Schweitzer

"I say of Jesus, as all humanists do,'If what he said is good, and so much of it is absolutely beautiful, what does it matter if he was God or not?' But if Christ hadn't delivered the Sermon on the Mount, with its message of mercy and pity, I wouldn't want to be a human being. I'd just as soon be a rattlesnake." Kurt Vonnegut, A Man without a Country, pp. 80-81

“Most Dangerous Man In America”

Since: Nov 08

Jefferson City, TN

#13 Nov 26, 2008
it's time to get an atheist in the White House.

Since: Oct 08

Jefferson City, TN

#14 Nov 26, 2008
persona wrote:
<quoted text>
Tennessee is a right to work state. So with that in mind. I have found out that our local McDonald's generally require a high school education or GED in order to get hired. So your uneducated pitch doesn't fully apply to right to work states. At the very least doesn't apply to TN?
A high school education is not was I was referring to. I'm not originally from this area. Where I'm from, a high school education was a given. To get a high school education, all you have to do is attend classes and give an effort. I have discovered that in this part of the country a lot of parents don't seem to care if their children do that, thus the low graduation rate. I am referring to the majority of the USA, not eastern Tennessee.

Since: Oct 08

Jefferson City, TN

#15 Nov 26, 2008
letdown wrote:
<quoted text>
oh, so then your philosophy is that any factory should only have to pay $7.00-$8.00 per hour where as if a union is involved, the workers would have better pay and benefits...
how GD stupid is yuor philosophy???
Have you ever worked a job that has union benefits? Unions have done great for this country...
The problems arose when the Japanese started selling their GD junk cars here in the US and the public were dumb enough to buy them..
Now, the Japanese moved their factories here in the GOOD OLE SOUTHERN STATES so that they could get the "smart" people in the south to work for NOTHING...
NO, sir, the unions aren't the problem. It is the other countries of the world who have citizens in them that will work for very little pay that is the problem. The corporations moved their factories to other countries to avoid paying TAXES, DECENT WAGES, and BENEFITS...
Now, who is to blame??
Whine and cry all you want about unions...
but you just tell us what a fair wage is to pay for a job these days??$7-$12 per hour???
My God people were making that 10-15 years ago..
Of course here in the south, it hasn't been that way..We have got these stupid trailerpark trash, uneducated people who think that $7.25 per hour is a good pay rate.
Also, have you worked in a factory that is over 100 degrees everyday in the summer? Well, some of these jobs here in Morristown only pay $8 per hour.. but if a union was present that same job would pay $13-$20 per hour plus great benefits..
All I have to say about this matter of corporations not paying what they should... then they just need to close the dammmmed doors and go out of business if they can't pay what they should...
But of course, maybe they can move their company to India or China and pay only 20- 30 cents per hour...
This is a FACT..
I hate to say it, but here it goes.
This whole business with the BIG 3 Automakers is NOTHING BUT A SHAM...
It is an attempt to BUST THE UNIONS...
This whole economic crisis is nothiing but screw job on the American people.. and guess who is behind it? THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.
The United States Govt. does as it pleases.
It controls everything it wants to control worldwide. And, it controls the world markets and it controls the eventual outcome. It may not be perfect in pulling everything off just right, but it does a pretty good job at making things happen to it's full benefit.
Just watch and see. Do some history studying on the Great Depression and see who was REALLY BEHIND IT. Same thing this time. Just a different age.
You think that the Japanese cars are junk, and yet you call me stupid? I suggest that you subscribe to Consumers Reports and see who makes GD junk cars. It's the United States. I drive a Japanese car because of the quality and the resale value. It was built in the United States at a non union factory. As far as unions go, I have been on the opposite side of the table with unions for the majority of my life. Unions originated to protect workers from safety hazards and being forced to work 60 hours a week without compensation. We have laws in place now that do the same thing. Less than 9% of the workers in this country belong to a union, which is the lowest rate since 1932. I am in the process of opening a new factory in Raleigh North Carolina and it will be non union, but the pay scale will be much more than what is the norm around here. There will be no pension paid by the company. Nobody will be paid if they are sick and can't come to work. There will be no free lunch. If the company makes a profit, they will make more money, not because of seniority. If the employees don't like it, I suggest that they continue their education so that they can get a better job. It's just that simple.

“Archangel By the Cross”

Since: Sep 08

Knoxville

#16 Nov 26, 2008
Dude Lebowski wrote:
<quoted text>You think that the Japanese cars are junk, and yet you call me stupid? I suggest that you subscribe to Consumers Reports and see who makes GD junk cars. It's the United States. I drive a Japanese car because of the quality and the resale value. It was built in the United States at a non union factory. As far as unions go, I have been on the opposite side of the table with unions for the majority of my life. Unions originated to protect workers from safety hazards and being forced to work 60 hours a week without compensation. We have laws in place now that do the same thing. Less than 9% of the workers in this country belong to a union, which is the lowest rate since 1932. I am in the process of opening a new factory in Raleigh North Carolina and it will be non union, but the pay scale will be much more than what is the norm around here. There will be no pension paid by the company. Nobody will be paid if they are sick and can't come to work. There will be no free lunch. If the company makes a profit, they will make more money, not because of seniority. If the employees don't like it, I suggest that they continue their education so that they can get a better job. It's just that simple.
So the dude is "MANAGEMENT". No trouble affording those White Russians at public bars eh?

I'm not hatin', happy for you. Education and debt-management is the key. You always have to be able to just say no to certain jobs oe bosses and quit. Then you have to have the education, savings, and power to go seek better employment. The real pity is reserved for people who are trapped in their job and those who are nothing more than wage slaves.

“Most Dangerous Man In America”

Since: Nov 08

Jefferson City, TN

#17 Nov 26, 2008
THE LEGEND is not a wage slave...

hey DUDE LEBOWSKI and EAST GRAD, i wish the best for the both of you and your families over the holiday weekend.

have a safe one, cheers!
letdown

Morristown, TN

#18 Nov 26, 2008
Dude Lebowski wrote:
<quoted text>You think that the Japanese cars are junk, and yet you call me stupid? I suggest that you subscribe to Consumers Reports and see who makes GD junk cars. It's the United States. I drive a Japanese car because of the quality and the resale value. It was built in the United States at a non union factory. As far as unions go, I have been on the opposite side of the table with unions for the majority of my life. Unions originated to protect workers from safety hazards and being forced to work 60 hours a week without compensation. We have laws in place now that do the same thing. Less than 9% of the workers in this country belong to a union, which is the lowest rate since 1932. I am in the process of opening a new factory in Raleigh North Carolina and it will be non union, but the pay scale will be much more than what is the norm around here. There will be no pension paid by the company. Nobody will be paid if they are sick and can't come to work. There will be no free lunch. If the company makes a profit, they will make more money, not because of seniority. If the employees don't like it, I suggest that they continue their education so that they can get a better job. It's just that simple.
you are nothing more than a "white shirt" Screw off who is "the boss" Whatever... are you telling me the workers do not deserve a pension???
Well, then if we do not deserve a pension, who is going to help the people when they are elderly and cannot help themselves??
Well mr Lebowski.. I suggest since you are against pensions so much and you think retirees can take care of themselves til they die, then you should give up your Social Security card and medicare and medicaid benefits when you are elderly and retire...Who in the F do you think you are? I for one hope your business FAILS. maybe you can go on over to India or the Phillipines and open your business so that you can get by with paying 25 cents per hour, and no strict OSHA rules to go by... and then your precious little company can make you all the $$$$$ in the world and you can OWN YOUR SLAVES... You sir, are a disgrace to humanity.. You are what is wrong with America..
And yes, Japanese cars are junk....
How many Japanese cars do you see that are collectors items and worth any amount of money after 25-30 years. I believe I am now hearing crickets....
and yes, the REPUBLICAN PARTY and that old dead corpse Ronald Reagan succeeded in BUSTING the unions and destroying the pensions... NOW WE HAVE THAT GOOD OLE 401K plan.. don't you just love it? You remember BRAIN DEAD Ronald Reagan don't ya?... I just hope his past few years were filled with pain and agony and I hope he lived every second of it knowing what he had done to the American people..

I hope you live an aged life with nothing more than sickness and illnesses beyond reproach...then and maybe then you will understand what CRAP you have pushed on your worker slaves...
YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW... LOL!

“Archangel By the Cross”

Since: Sep 08

Knoxville

#19 Nov 26, 2008
The Legend Tim Leary wrote:
THE LEGEND is not a wage slave...
hey DUDE LEBOWSKI and EAST GRAD, i wish the best for the both of you and your families over the holiday weekend.
have a safe one, cheers!
Happy dead turkey day TIMMAY! Tomorrow is going to be the best day of that turkey's life.

“Archangel By the Cross”

Since: Sep 08

Knoxville

#20 Nov 26, 2008
letdown wrote:
<quoted text>
you are nothing more than a "white shirt" Screw off who is "the boss" Whatever... are you telling me the workers do not deserve a pension???
Well, then if we do not deserve a pension, who is going to help the people when they are elderly and cannot help themselves??
Well mr Lebowski.. I suggest since you are against pensions so much and you think retirees can take care of themselves til they die, then you should give up your Social Security card and medicare and medicaid benefits when you are elderly and retire...Who in the F do you think you are? I for one hope your business FAILS. maybe you can go on over to India or the Phillipines and open your business so that you can get by with paying 25 cents per hour, and no strict OSHA rules to go by... and then your precious little company can make you all the $$$$$ in the world and you can OWN YOUR SLAVES... You sir, are a disgrace to humanity.. You are what is wrong with America..
And yes, Japanese cars are junk....
How many Japanese cars do you see that are collectors items and worth any amount of money after 25-30 years. I believe I am now hearing crickets....
and yes, the REPUBLICAN PARTY and that old dead corpse Ronald Reagan succeeded in BUSTING the unions and destroying the pensions... NOW WE HAVE THAT GOOD OLE 401K plan.. don't you just love it? You remember BRAIN DEAD Ronald Reagan don't ya?... I just hope his past few years were filled with pain and agony and I hope he lived every second of it knowing what he had done to the American people..
I hope you live an aged life with nothing more than sickness and illnesses beyond reproach...then and maybe then you will understand what CRAP you have pushed on your worker slaves...
YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW... LOL!
I troubled. I like the Dude. I like this post. Can I have it both ways?

The American people did it to themselves. They bought into the lies and now unions are all but dead.

If the media is true and Union (average worker)automakers were making $100,000/ year, then that is truly sick. Their pay would be just as sick as the Ceo's pay. I can't support either side. They both have Golden Parachutes. Thats why all those northerners who worked in Detroit moved down south. Their retirement money goes a long way down here.

The south has to fix its educational system. Southern workers are just too stupid. They are too quick to screw each other over. They have no idea what real unionism means.

I hope both labor and management saved their money. They truly screwed themselves over by paying themselves such silly wages.

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