Retired bishop to talk about life aft...

Retired bishop to talk about life after death

There are 19 comments on the Daily Record story from Mar 9, 2010, titled Retired bishop to talk about life after death. In it, Daily Record reports that:

MORRISTOWN - Retired Episcopal Bishop John Shelby Spong of Morris Plains will present his personal conclusions and beliefs about eternal life in two free lectures ...

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“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Mar 9, 2010
from Daily Record:

"'Both heaven as a place of reward and hell as a place of punishment have lost their credibility in the marketplace of contemporary ideas,' he (Spong) said.'They have nothing to do with life after death, but everything to do with controlling human behavior in the here and now."

Which may explain why human behavior is currently out-of-control, esp. in TEC.
Yes

Aldrich, MO

#2 Mar 9, 2010
"Retired bishop to talk about life after death"

Just another of the many false prophets.

1 Timothy 4

1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Matthew 24

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Isaiah 40

8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. 1Pet 1:25;
David

Fenton, MI

#3 Mar 11, 2010
Brilliant man, whose message is for open minds only.
Think Again

Kinston, NC

#4 Mar 11, 2010
David wrote:
Brilliant man, whose message is for open minds only.
False prophet, heretic whose message is leading people straight to hell.
RevKen

Springfield, IL

#5 Mar 12, 2010
David wrote:
Brilliant man, whose message is for open minds only.
There is an old saying, effectively used by one often quoted Jew, who said, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

KGC
Think Again

Kinston, NC

#6 Mar 12, 2010
RevKen wrote:
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There is an old saying, effectively used by one often quoted Jew, who said, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."
KGC
He also said many other things which Spong chooses to ignore. Spong is a heretic and a false prophet. Your defense of him and TEC at all costs has made you blind to this fact.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#7 Mar 12, 2010
Think Again wrote:
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He also said many other things which Spong chooses to ignore. Spong is a heretic and a false prophet. Your defense of him and TEC at all costs has made you blind to this fact.
Why didn't you quit when he was an active Bishop?

Didn't know about him then Junior Warden?

LOL!

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#8 Mar 12, 2010
Think Again wrote:
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He also said many other things which Spong chooses to ignore. Spong is a heretic and a false prophet ...
For example, Spong's "Twelve Thesis":

1. Theism, as a way of defining God, is dead. So most theological God-talk is today meaningless. A new way to speak of God must be found.

2. Since God can no longer be conceived in theistic terms, it becomes nonsensical to seek to understand Jesus as the incarnation of the theistic deity. So the Christology of the ages is bankrupt.

3. The Biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense.

4. The virgin birth, understood as literal biology, makes Christ's divinity, as traditionally understood, impossible.

5. The miracle stories of the New Testament can no longer be interpreted in a post-Newtonian world as supernatural events performed by an incarnate deity.

6. The view of the cross as the sacrifice for the sins of the world is a barbarian idea based on primitive concepts of God and must be dismissed.

7. Resurrection is an action of God. Jesus was raised into the meaning of God. It therefore cannot be a physical resuscitation occurring inside human history.

8. The story of the Ascension assumed a three-tiered universe and is therefore not capable of being translated into the concepts of a post-Copernican space age.

9. There is no external, objective, revealed standard writ in scripture or on tablets of stone that will govern our ethical behavior for all time.

10. Prayer cannot be a request made to a theistic deity to act in human history in a particular way.

11. The hope for life after death must be separated forever from the behavior control mentality of reward and punishment. The Church must abandon, therefore, its reliance on guilt as a motivator of behavior.

12. All human beings bear God's image and must be respected for what each person is. Therefore, no external description of one's being, whether based on race, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation, can properly be used as the basis for either rejection or discrimination.

Pick your poison.
Think Again

Kinston, NC

#9 Mar 12, 2010
MiddleWay wrote:
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Why didn't you quit when he was an active Bishop?
Didn't know about him then Junior Warden?
LOL!
I thought he was an isolated nut-case. I soon found out that his views represent the views of many in TEC.
Think Again

Kinston, NC

#10 Mar 12, 2010
MiddleWay wrote:
<quoted text>
Why didn't you quit when he was an active Bishop?
Didn't know about him then Junior Warden?
LOL!
I thought Spong was an isolated nut case without a following. Little did I know that many in TEC believe in his nonsense.
Martin Luther

Watchung, NJ

#11 Mar 12, 2010
I wonder if Spong's version of Hell involves Episcopalisn gays and lesbians burning in a lake of fire for Eternity.
Think Again

Kinston, NC

#12 Mar 12, 2010
MiddleWay wrote:
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Why didn't you quit when he was an active Bishop?
Didn't know about him then Junior Warden?
LOL!
This is the third time I posted a response. The previous two have been removed.

I thought Spong held isolated opinions separate from TEC in general. The more I interacted within TEC, the more I saw his views were becoming mainstream.
Martin Luther

Watchung, NJ

#13 Mar 12, 2010
The Episcopal Church is not a Christian religion. It appears to be a social club for gays, leasbians and the misguided.
Professor Wexler

Watchung, NJ

#14 Mar 19, 2010
Spong should do a comedy act before he dies and lands in the Lake of Fire.

Since: Feb 10

Ocoee, FL

#15 Apr 21, 2010
How tdid this guy become a bishop anyway. I will stick to what the Bible teaches, not some wayward thinking of a retired preacher.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#16 Apr 21, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
from Daily Record:
"'Both heaven as a place of reward and hell as a place of punishment have lost their credibility in the marketplace of contemporary ideas,' he (Spong) said.'They have nothing to do with life after death, but everything to do with controlling human behavior in the here and now."
Which may explain why human behavior is currently out-of-control, esp. in TEC.
Pot calling the kettle "black."

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#17 Apr 21, 2010
RevKen wrote:
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Pot calling the kettle "black."
I'm hardly "out-of-control" since my posts comply w/the Topix TOS.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#18 Apr 21, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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I'm hardly "out-of-control" since my posts comply w/the Topix TOS.
Joe,

For you, as a Roman Catholic, to assert that behavior in The Episcopal Church is out of control, is ridiculous.

KGC

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#19 Apr 21, 2010
RevKen wrote:
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Joe,
For you, as a Roman Catholic, to assert that behavior in The Episcopal Church is out of control, is ridiculous.
KGC
I posted that it wasn't just TEC, and you can be an atheist and post comments abt any church on this thread.

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