Ambulance Collides With Tractor-Trailer While Responding To Crash; EMT Killed

Jan 15, 2013 Full story: WCHS-TV Charleston 248

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Think Again

Beckley, WV

#23 Jan 18, 2013
For the "real" paramedics out there that would like to file a complaint with OSHA if you believe the ambulance companies you work for are possibly not following state safety standards this link below is for you.

§21-3A-13. Discrimination against employee filing complaint.

(a) No employer may discharge or in any manner discriminate against any employee because the employee has filed any complaint, instituted or caused to be instituted or participated in any proceedings under or related to this article, has testified or is about to testify in any such proceedings or has exercised on behalf of himself or others any right afforded by this article.

(b) Any employee who believes that he has been discharged or otherwise discriminated against by any person in violation of this section may, within thirty days after the alleged violation occurs, file a complaint with the commissioner alleging such discrimination. Upon receipt of the complaint the commissioner shall cause an investigation to be made. If after such investigation the commissioner determines that the provisions of this section have been violated, he shall bring an action in the circuit court of Kanawha County against the employer. In any such action, the court has jurisdiction, for cause shown, to restrain violations of subsection (a) of this section and to order all appropriate relief including rehiring or reinstatement of the employee to his former position with back pay plus interest at the statutory rate in this state.
truckdriver

Beckley, WV

#24 Jan 19, 2013
It's funny, DOT only lets a truck driver; drive 8 hour's and then EMS can go for 40 hour's straight and they have no problem? WTF?I guess there are not enough EMS folks dying or killing others? Wonder what the kill limit is until the DOT gets on these anmbulance companys?
UNION

Beckley, WV

#25 Jan 19, 2013
I notice the ambulance services that are UNION don't have this problem.
UNION

Beckley, WV

#26 Jan 19, 2013
Think Again wrote:
For the "real" paramedics out there that would like to file a complaint with OSHA if you believe the ambulance companies you work for are possibly not following state safety standards this link below is for you.
§21-3A-13. Discrimination against employee filing complaint.
(a) No employer may discharge or in any manner discriminate against any employee because the employee has filed any complaint, instituted or caused to be instituted or participated in any proceedings under or related to this article, has testified or is about to testify in any such proceedings or has exercised on behalf of himself or others any right afforded by this article.
(b) Any employee who believes that he has been discharged or otherwise discriminated against by any person in violation of this section may, within thirty days after the alleged violation occurs, file a complaint with the commissioner alleging such discrimination. Upon receipt of the complaint the commissioner shall cause an investigation to be made. If after such investigation the commissioner determines that the provisions of this section have been violated, he shall bring an action in the circuit court of Kanawha County against the employer. In any such action, the court has jurisdiction, for cause shown, to restrain violations of subsection (a) of this section and to order all appropriate relief including rehiring or reinstatement of the employee to his former position with back pay plus interest at the statutory rate in this state.
Even better, keep a record of your runs and down time (call out to back at station) and THEN go to OSHA and the media.
The Insider

Beckley, WV

#27 Jan 19, 2013
UNION wrote:
I notice the ambulance services that are UNION don't have this problem.
Yes, because "Unionized" ambulances never have accidents. In fact, I know of several accidents that have been averted because Union Shop Stewards, flying high above the ambulance they were guarding, swooped in at the last second, sacrificing their time and bodies to ensure that their fellow union workers were safe and protected.

It is my understanding that the crew in question had just come off of six (6) hours of down time. That is the reason they were not only given the call, but that they willingly accepted it, as well.

What happened was nothing more than a tragic, tragic accident. Attempting to politicize it is reprehensible.
The Insider

Beckley, WV

#28 Jan 19, 2013
Btw,
In its forty three years of operation, Jan-Care Ambulance has seen two on-the-job fatalities-both of which were very tragic. Kevin Richie and Mark Kinder are heroes who gave more than any of us can comprehend. I believe they both knew that they might be called upon to go into dangerous situations and that their line of work sees more risk than most other occupations. However, like most people who are prepared to help others under the worst set of circumstances, they both accepted it. That fact alone makes them heroes in my book. They died helping others and the way to memorialize them is to remember the sacrifices they made every day. When they are old enough to understand, my children will be told of their sacrifices. I hope it inspires in them a desire to help others and never forget that there really are true heroes out there.
The facts

Potomac, MD

#29 Jan 19, 2013
According to the United States Department of Labor,Bureau of Labor Statistics.Ambulance EMT-Paramedic average wage is $14.77. http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes292041.htm The average dispatcher for ambulance is $17.27 http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes435031.htm .Now what we have here is a man with a monopoly on the services that a lot of locals enjoy doing.And who takes pride in their work.He has never been in a position to where he had to decide weather to pay the electric or buy food.Or any other monthly bills we pay to survive.He pays half of the average wages.So half goes to who earned it,The other half goes to his pocket.The employes who have trained,Schooled,And practiced all areas of this service to build and improve their lives and that of their families.Should be living the life of a middle class citizen.But because of Jan-Cares greed,They are left living check to check.Because he is taking half according to statistics.So if they were getting the other half of what they have earned.They could decide how much to put in the bank for that rainy day.Instead of which bill to put off,And hope they can pay it later.Yet Jan-Care says they are family oriented.As we can see its not because they are even close on wages.Trying to get medical insurance is like pulling teeth And so expensive its out of reach,Its not because you have job security.Even though the medics try their best,They are threatened with their job's at the drop of a hat.They are told,You can make as much as you want.That's to make up for half a wage that they get.So some need to,To survive.Its nothing for a worker to do 7 or 8- 24 Hr shifts in a row and even more.Now no matter how you look at it,This is not family oriented.This is taking advantage of WV people,And the community just for the reason of greed.Knowing that he is the only game in town except for a few small companies.When any person has been on duty that long its not safe for the crew,The patient,Or the community.These people get no or little family life because of this greed.This company gets paid well,Through Medicaid,Medicare,And insurance.I will bet my bottom dollar he does not get 50% taken off.Other Ambulance companies make a business being fare,And safe.Getting paid by the same resources.What we have here is a silver spoon brat,That has no respect for the ones he uses to make himself rich.And this is the reason the employees are trying to get a union vote into place.Not just for the money,But for all the rules for safety and working conditions that go along with it.So Jan-Care will talk down the union for 1 purpose only.For the greed and for the iron fist control that they so much love.Like talking about the dues that will be paid.The dues go towards controlling thugs.So what if the unions prosper while doing this.They take care of their own,Not by cold promises.But by tangible proof in paychecks,Working conditions and benefits period.If you watch the news you will learn the some union executives are in the top 1% of incomes.Good for them,They make sure their members are treated right and do live the American middle class life they work for.If it wasn't for companies that treat people in the way that Jan-Care does,I agree there would be no reason for the unions.We at Jan-Care can not live a happy and deserving life shopping at the company store.VOTE YES WHEN ITS TIME.Take back whats being stolen from you,And get the working conditions every professional deserves.
Look at the big picture

Beckley, WV

#30 Jan 19, 2013
You quote the average wage for Ems but it is just that...an average! If you live in a different state the price of living is higher therefore the wages are higher...if you are going to quote averages you should do an average of the wages in WV ....looking at the same things. You cant compare apples and oranges. As for Jancare I have been employed there for more than ten years.....yes things can be improved and I can tell management is working on improving things but it can not change overnight? The cost of insurance is high but it is comparable to other companies employee contributions in the area. Do you think it is cheap to insure 300+ employees spouses and dependents? We now have the option of purchasing AFLAC; life insurance; short term disability insurance etc....things are changing.... As for the union...I will be voting No....why pay for something when you cant get a guaranteed outcome? I am waiting for the change and am willing to discuss my issues with management.
Mrsdonewithit

Beckley, WV

#31 Jan 19, 2013
Any company that let a monster run their crews like slaves for 10 years,and backed him up on every situation good or bad, dosnt know what change is.
UNION!!!!!!!!!
Still u decieve

Potomac, MD

#32 Jan 19, 2013
Look at the big picture wrote:
You quote the average wage for Ems but it is just that...an average! If you live in a different state the price of living is higher therefore the wages are higher...if you are going to quote averages you should do an average of the wages in WV ....looking at the same things. You cant compare apples and oranges. As for Jancare I have been employed there for more than ten years.....yes things can be improved and I can tell management is working on improving things but it can not change overnight? The cost of insurance is high but it is comparable to other companies employee contributions in the area. Do you think it is cheap to insure 300+ employees spouses and dependents? We now have the option of purchasing AFLAC; life insurance; short term disability insurance etc....things are changing.... As for the union...I will be voting No....why pay for something when you cant get a guaranteed outcome? I am waiting for the change and am willing to discuss my issues with management.
Average emt for wv is still over $12. The 7.50 JC pays is 25 cents above minimum wage.At this rate of pay no one can afford anything they may offer.The only reason employees don't make less,Is because he is already paying the less amount he legally can.So they will promise all they want.If it were true they would have done it long ago.Just like the rumor Rick is coming back into the on hand management.Is that because it is so screwed up?? Then if these employees go for that.After the vote it will be right back to the same old ways.
The Insider

Beckley, WV

#33 Jan 19, 2013
Still u decieve
$12.00/hr? Where did you get your figures? If they're from " wages.com " don't even bother replying. You've been "decEIved."
loyal

Oak Hill, WV

#34 Jan 19, 2013
unionize my brothers and sisters,unionize !!!!!! its your future
The Insider

Beckley, WV

#35 Jan 19, 2013
loyal
Yes, Unionize! Throw away $120 a month on the "promise" of higher wages and better hours.

After all, a promise is a promise and unions are known for keeping their promises. Especially NEMSA! Why, just read the following account:

"As Fallon workers saw first-hand in 2007, a NEMSA organizing campaign tends to be vicious and divisive. In order to succeed, NEMSA usually needs to break up an existing relationship between an employer and another union. NEMSA’s strategy is to aggressively attack both the existing union and the employer.

Part of a NEMSA campaign may involve filing frivolous unfair labor practice charges against the employer, as NEMSA did against Fallon in 2007. As you will recall, those charges were promptly found to be without merit by the NLRB.

Fallon’s experiences with NEMSA in 2007 are typical of other divisive NEMSA campaigns.

The result of NEMSA’s campaign efforts, regardless of whether NEMSA wins or loses the election, is a divided workforce. Ultimately, the cost, distraction, and discord can only have a negative affect on patient care."
http://www.fallon-knowthefacts.com/NEMSA.html

Combine this with the fact that Torren Colcord regularly "receives" about 10% of all collected NEMSA dues as salary (you heard right, he's salaried), and I can't believe we haven't unionized before!!

Oh, no, wait...That's right! We are not idiots.

Since: Nov 09

Hinton

#36 Jan 19, 2013
The fact alone that the stats show unionized jobs pay better, offer better benefits, and have a much better way of holding management accountable to the work standards set forth by law, as opposed to filing a complaint with OSHA and hoping for the best is reason enough to unionize.

People fought and died year after year, here in WV, for the right to have unions at coal mines because that was the only way a mine owner would follow any safety standards, pay a living wage, or in a lot of cases, pay them at all.

You can complain all you want that the person running a union gets paid to do it, but someone has to put in the hours, deal with the negotiations, etc. that are necessary to improve the quality of life for those working in high-risk industries for what is, especially in this case, pitiful and disrespectful pay. You wouldn't put in 40 hours a week without pay, why would you expect your union rep. to?

An EMT in the northern part of this state makes nearly double what one does here. The simple truth is this: They won't ever pay more unless their workers strike, and they won't improve working conditions (no 24 hour shifts) unless they face some type of fallout over it. Management will promise things are getting better day in and day out, but they'll never change anything unless there are real consequences for them.

Anyone that is against a union disrespects the memories of the people that have died trying to make life better for those around them, and disrespects the battles literally fought for your right to hold your employer accountable when mistakes are make, or in this case, blatant disregard for human life is present. If you're sitting around enjoying your 40 hour work week, your health insurance, a mandatory lunch time, etc. you have a UNION to thank for getting those passed into law, not a well-meaning employer, as for the most part, such a person doesn't exist.
Tony

Beckley, WV

#37 Jan 20, 2013
Who cares what torren Colcord makes, as long as he is running a GREAT union and getting people what they need,(and he does) things will be A-OK..........
Tony

Beckley, WV

#38 Jan 20, 2013
EMS Unions improve patient care and create better training and morale which we all know sets up a win win situation!You can say what you want against the union, but all they're members are doing much better with them than without them.

GO UNION !!!!!!!!!!
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loyal

Oak Hill, WV

#40 Jan 20, 2013
Azathoth wrote:
The fact alone that the stats show unionized jobs pay better, offer better benefits, and have a much better way of holding management accountable to the work standards set forth by law, as opposed to filing a complaint with OSHA and hoping for the best is reason enough to unionize.
People fought and died year after year, here in WV, for the right to have unions at coal mines because that was the only way a mine owner would follow any safety standards, pay a living wage, or in a lot of cases, pay them at all.
You can complain all you want that the person running a union gets paid to do it, but someone has to put in the hours, deal with the negotiations, etc. that are necessary to improve the quality of life for those working in high-risk industries for what is, especially in this case, pitiful and disrespectful pay. You wouldn't put in 40 hours a week without pay, why would you expect your union rep. to?
An EMT in the northern part of this state makes nearly double what one does here. The simple truth is this: They won't ever pay more unless their workers strike, and they won't improve working conditions (no 24 hour shifts) unless they face some type of fallout over it. Management will promise things are getting better day in and day out, but they'll never change anything unless there are real consequences for them.
Anyone that is against a union disrespects the memories of the people that have died trying to make life better for those around them, and disrespects the battles literally fought for your right to hold your employer accountable when mistakes are make, or in this case, blatant disregard for human life is present. If you're sitting around enjoying your 40 hour work week, your health insurance, a mandatory lunch time, etc. you have a UNION to thank for getting those passed into law, not a well-meaning employer, as for the most part, such a person doesn't exist.
i agree
The Insider

Beckley, WV

#41 Jan 20, 2013
Tony
First, please explain exactly how an EMS Union improves patient care. Do the Union reps actually ride in the ambulance with you? Do they give you advice on patient care? Do they hold your hand and tell you everything's gonna be ok? I would put Jan-Care's patient care abilities up there with any other EMS organization in the country, especially unionized ones. It is already top notch-we don't need a union for that.

Secondly, if you believe that YOU need a union to improve YOUR ability to provide patient care, then maybe YOU shouldn't be an EMS provider-if, in fact, you are.

Thirdly, I would say that union dues, especially those dues paid by NON-members (that's right, you get charged the same amount members do because WV is not a "Right-to-Work" state) would have a decidedly NEGATIVE effect on company morale, especially if the majority do not want a union representing them anyway.

Workers of Jan-Care, "UNITE" in a meaningful way: Tell these elitist, outsider union agitators that EMS workers in WV WILL NOT fall for their old, tired, Marxist, class-warfare, us vs them schtick.

Montani Semper Liberi (unless, of course, you are forced to pay union dues).
Anti-California union

Alexandria, VA

#42 Jan 20, 2013
Tony wrote:
Who cares what torren Colcord makes, as long as he is running a GREAT union and getting people what they need,(and he does) things will be A-OK..........
No, he doesn't. Look it up. Nemsa has a 50/50 record of getting companies to sign a contract, but he has no problem collecting union dues without giving us results. In fact, in Portland he dropped 500 workers from the union after taking their money for a year. Ask them if they think he deserves 10% of the dues. This guy makes Todd look like Santa. He's in it to take your money. Make no mistake
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jerry

Oak Hill, WV

#44 Jan 20, 2013
sounds to me like someone higher up in this place is trying real hard to convince everyone union is bad for them. a lot of companies pay union scale to keep unions out. does this place?? just my thoughts!

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