Ignorance

Fairmont, WV

#11030 Feb 1, 2013
daDookieJew wrote:
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The gun in the trunk was the AR-15. It's on video, NBC reported on it and the other stations did as well. I'm not wrong, you're floundering trying to make it seem that way but still wrong. I'd like to know how my "government made me what I am" though. That's rich, along with you putting words in my mouth and things I never said. I didn't disrespect any of the "kids who were murdered by a nutjob"'s families either--that's a weak attempt at an insult and shows your cowardice honestly. Every "no gunz" kneejerk anti-gunner acts like this so it's no surprise really. It's friggin ridiculous to punish the general public over the actions of one person to put it lightly. It's insane, infantile, and totally without logic. If you don't understand that without the settlers here having guns and rising up against the British is the only reason there IS a United States of America then there is no help for you. The British tried the exact same thing and the rest, is history. It was, then and now, the straw that "breaks the camels back". This nation was founded by guns and is as much a part of the heritage as apple pie or anything else, even more so than those examples. The Founders put the 2nd A in there so the government wouldn't turn toward a dictatorship and abuse it's power (like they are now), leaving a catch 22 in for patriots to oust tyrannical government should it become so and restore that government to one that works FOR the people instead of against them. People are speaking out, writing Congress, Senators, ect, because they ARE willing to lay their lives down to stop an ever increasingly infringing government. You'll notice they are backing the hell off about a gun ban as well. You want to cry about children and lives lost? EVERY one of these massacres has happened in a "gun free" zone, EVERY one of these psychos has been a far left Democrat. It's a fact, look it up I'm not providing you links to sites you can google yourself. It is the government who set these shooting galleries for psychos up, they are just as complicit as the nuts who did the killing. In Chicago, strictest gun laws in the entire nation, last year there was a "Sandy Hook" number of gun murders every month. EVERY month, that's over 500 people in one year in a city that banned guns. Connecticut also has very strict gun laws plus an AWB, didn't help though did it? Is it sinking in yet?------> cont.
You keep lying and lying. The state police reported facts. It wasn't the news media making this up. They are reporting what the state police have told them. Chicago's gun laws have not been the "strictest" for a long time. In 2010 the handgun ban was lifted and murder rates went through the roof. You are only making the case that handguns should be more heavily regulated as well. Your lies are hurting real people. I bet if you were one of the first responders to Sandy Hook you wouldn't be so cavalier. But please, if I am lying, show me some news that proves your point. You can't because it is lies. LIAR!
Topless

Mount Hope, WV

#11031 Feb 1, 2013
Black Gold wrote:
In case you haven't seen these - Let's try those links again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =IaKm89eVhoEXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Several studies have examined the correlations between rates of gun ownership and gun-related as well as overall homicide and suicide rates within various jurisdictions around the world.[134][135] Martin Killias, in a 1993 study covering 21 countries, found that there were substantial correlations between gun ownership and gun-related suicide and homicide rates. There was also a substantial though lesser correlation between gun ownership and total homicide rates.[136

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics

I want them to make having a gun a death penalty crime. Any gun. People can use things like pepper spray and stun guns. I've read history - the rich white guys and the constitution they wrote doesn't impress me as GOD GIVEN. Thanks GOD during the civil war Abe said F*^K states rights and the constitution.
Sunshine

Mount Hope, WV

#11032 Feb 1, 2013
Black Gold wrote:
In case you haven't seen these - Let's try those links again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =IaKm89eVhoEXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful, a miracle, it was beautiful, magical
And all the birds in the trees, well they'd be singing so happily, joyfully, playfully, watching me
But then they send me away to teach me how to be sensible, logical, responsible, practical
And they showed me a world where I could be so dependable, clinical, intellectual, cynical
There are times when all the world's asleep
The questions run too deep for such a simple man
Won't you please, please tell me what we've learned
I know it sounds absurd but please tell me who I am

I said now, watch what you say, now we're calling you a radical, a liberal, fanatical, criminal
Won't you sign up your name, we'd like to feel you're acceptable, respectable, presentable, a vegetable

But at night, when all the world's asleep
The questions run so deep for such a simple man
Won't you please (Won't you tell me),(You can tell me what) please tell me what we've learned (Can you hear me?)
I know it sounds absurd,(Won't you help me) please tell me who I am, who I am, who I am, who I am

Supertramp
Sunshine

Mount Hope, WV

#11033 Feb 1, 2013
For H. Clinton on her last day --

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#11034 Feb 1, 2013
Topless wrote:
<quoted text>
Several studies have examined the correlations between rates of gun ownership and gun-related as well as overall homicide and suicide rates within various jurisdictions around the world.[134][135] Martin Killias, in a 1993 study covering 21 countries, found that there were substantial correlations between gun ownership and gun-related suicide and homicide rates. There was also a substantial though lesser correlation between gun ownership and total homicide rates.[136
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics
I want them to make having a gun a death penalty crime. Any gun. People can use things like pepper spray and stun guns. I've read history - the rich white guys and the constitution they wrote doesn't impress me as GOD GIVEN. Thanks GOD during the civil war Abe said F*^K states rights and the constitution.
Good thing it isnt up to you. Guns are here to stay. People like you that have no respect for the Constitution make me sick. I think we should ban people like you and forcibly remove you from the country.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#11035 Feb 1, 2013
Ignorance wrote:
<quoted text> You keep lying and lying. The state police reported facts. It wasn't the news media making this up. They are reporting what the state police have told them. Chicago's gun laws have not been the "strictest" for a long time. In 2010 the handgun ban was lifted and murder rates went through the roof. You are only making the case that handguns should be more heavily regulated as well. Your lies are hurting real people. I bet if you were one of the first responders to Sandy Hook you wouldn't be so cavalier. But please, if I am lying, show me some news that proves your point. You can't because it is lies. LIAR!
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Deaths per year Item

3500 Swimming pools
800 Jet Skis, etc.
700 children Swimming pools
700 Recrational boats
392 ATV's,4 Wheelers
100 children ATV's,4 Wheelers
48 Assault weapons

Interesting to note that of all the things that could be banned to save lives, assault weapons would save the least and is also the only one that is Constitutionally protected. Nothing in the Constitution says they cant ban pools, jet skis, boats, 4 wheelers,etc.. Banning those 4 could save 5392 lives every year, compared with 48 for assault weapons. What is the real agenda? It is indisputable it isnt only saving lives. Wanting to ban the only one that is Consitutionally protected and that would save realitively speaking very few lives in comparisson proves this. I also find it morally repugnant that you use the horrific murder of these chidlren to push your communist nanny state agenda.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#11036 Feb 1, 2013
Ignorance wrote:
<quoted text> You keep lying and lying. The state police reported facts. It wasn't the news media making this up. They are reporting what the state police have told them. Chicago's gun laws have not been the "strictest" for a long time. In 2010 the handgun ban was lifted and murder rates went through the roof. You are only making the case that handguns should be more heavily regulated as well. Your lies are hurting real people. I bet if you were one of the first responders to Sandy Hook you wouldn't be so cavalier. But please, if I am lying, show me some news that proves your point. You can't because it is lies. LIAR!
Chicago's murder rate was lower in 2010 and 2011 than in 2009, who is the liar now?

“Taste great in milk!”

Since: Aug 08

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#11037 Feb 2, 2013
Huh.
C O A L

Mount Hope, WV

#11038 Feb 2, 2013
Black Gold wrote:
Hmmmm worth thinking about?

In 1789, Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence, wrote to James Madison, often called the “Father of the Constitution,” stating that the Constitution was not perpetual and should be rewritten to serve future generations.

“The earth belongs always to the living generation,” Jefferson wrote.“They may manage it then, and what proceeds from it, as they please, during their usufruct. They are masters too of their own persons, and consequently may govern them as they please.…

Every constitution then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right.”
==========

(CBS News) Is the U.S. Constitution truly worthy of the reverence in which most Americans hold it? A view on that from Louis Michael Seidman, Professor of Constitutional Law at Georgetown University:

"I've got a simple idea: Let's give up on the Constitution.
I know, it sounds radical, but it's really not. Constitutional disobedience is as American as apple pie.

For example, most of our greatest Presidents -- Jefferson, Lincoln, Wilson, and both Roosevelts -- had doubts about the Constitution, and many of them disobeyed it when it got in their way.

To be clear, I don't think we should give up on everything in the Constitution. The Constitution has many important and inspiring provisions, but we should obey these because they are important and inspiring, not because a bunch of people who are now long-dead favored them two centuries ago….

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57566014...

http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/brent-b...

http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2013/0...
Nines

Fairmont, WV

#11039 Feb 2, 2013
MindlessFoxBot wrote:
<quoted text>Chicago's murder rate was lower in 2010 and 2011 than in 2009, who is the liar now?
Considering 2012 was a very bloody year in Chicago and 2013 is on track to surpass it, it is safe to assume that handguns are not making people safer. You gun nuts always make Chicago sound gun free, but it's not. It's just a dangerous city. We will see if the murder rate evens out over the next few years. I can only assume that it won't. Let's be honest in this debate though. Chicago is not a tough gun law place. And the whole issue isn't handguns, of which I own 2, it is these military weapons manufactured for murder.
WinterGale

Mount Hope, WV

#11040 Feb 2, 2013
Black Gold wrote:
In case you haven't seen these - Let's try those links again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =IaKm89eVhoEXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Seen them. Back at youse with this. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
eddymunster

Independence, WV

#11041 Feb 2, 2013
MindlessFoxBot wrote:
<quoted text>.
Deaths per year Item
3500 Swimming pools
800 Jet Skis, etc.
700 children Swimming pools
700 Recrational boats
392 ATV's,4 Wheelers
100 children ATV's,4 Wheelers
48 Assault weapons
Interesting to note that of all the things that could be banned to save lives, assault weapons would save the least and is also the only one that is Constitutionally protected. Nothing in the Constitution says they cant ban pools, jet skis, boats, 4 wheelers,etc.. Banning those 4 could save 5392 lives every year, compared with 48 for assault weapons. What is the real agenda? It is indisputable it isnt only saving lives. Wanting to ban the only one that is Consitutionally protected and that would save realitively speaking very few lives in comparisson proves this. I also find it morally repugnant that you use the horrific murder of these chidlren to push your communist nanny state agenda.
Every death you mentioned was due to accidents by people making personal choices. Except for assault weapons. No one came up to someone in a pool, their ATV or jet ski and shot them in the head. So far in just over a month since Newtown US gun deaths are almost 1300. I'm not against guns but I am against the ease with which people can get them. Just like a drivers license you should be able to show you have the minimum skill required to use a gun.
hope

Huntington, WV

#11042 Feb 2, 2013
C O A L wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmmmm worth thinking about?
In 1789, Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence, wrote to James Madison, often called the “Father of the Constitution,” stating that the Constitution was not perpetual and should be rewritten to serve future generations.
“The earth belongs always to the living generation,” Jefferson wrote.“They may manage it then, and what proceeds from it, as they please, during their usufruct. They are masters too of their own persons, and consequently may govern them as they please.…
Every constitution then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right.”
==========
(CBS News) Is the U.S. Constitution truly worthy of the reverence in which most Americans hold it? A view on that from Louis Michael Seidman, Professor of Constitutional Law at Georgetown University:
"I've got a simple idea: Let's give up on the Constitution.
I know, it sounds radical, but it's really not. Constitutional disobedience is as American as apple pie.
For example, most of our greatest Presidents -- Jefferson, Lincoln, Wilson, and both Roosevelts -- had doubts about the Constitution, and many of them disobeyed it when it got in their way.
To be clear, I don't think we should give up on everything in the Constitution. The Constitution has many important and inspiring provisions, but we should obey these because they are important and inspiring, not because a bunch of people who are now long-dead favored them two centuries ago….
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57566014...
http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/brent-b...
http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2013/0...
the forefathers were advocates of revolution (obviously haha)so it only makes sense that we revamp the constitution from time to time. the laws they made were never meant to outlive them. this is what they advised! why hasn't it been changed? I don't know..

My (20somethings) generation will write a new one with the coming revolution...it's our responsibility to do so

Jefferson quotes:

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive."

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed..."

we've been without revolution for too long, it's time for change!
hope

Huntington, WV

#11043 Feb 2, 2013
Nines wrote:
<quoted text> Considering 2012 was a very bloody year in Chicago and 2013 is on track to surpass it, it is safe to assume that handguns are not making people safer. You gun nuts always make Chicago sound gun free, but it's not. It's just a dangerous city. We will see if the murder rate evens out over the next few years. I can only assume that it won't. Let's be honest in this debate though. Chicago is not a tough gun law place. And the whole issue isn't handguns, of which I own 2, it is these military weapons manufactured for murder.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/p...

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#11044 Feb 2, 2013
Nines wrote:
<quoted text> Considering 2012 was a very bloody year in Chicago and 2013 is on track to surpass it, it is safe to assume that handguns are not making people safer. You gun nuts always make Chicago sound gun free, but it's not. It's just a dangerous city. We will see if the murder rate evens out over the next few years. I can only assume that it won't. Let's be honest in this debate though. Chicago is not a tough gun law place. And the whole issue isn't handguns, of which I own 2, it is these military weapons manufactured for murder.
Isnt it convenient how you anti-gun people pick and choose your statistics to try and justify your point of view. I have already shown assault weapons kill very few compared to other guns and other freedoms we all enjoy.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#11045 Feb 2, 2013
eddymunster wrote:
<quoted text>
Every death you mentioned was due to accidents by people making personal choices. Except for assault weapons. No one came up to someone in a pool, their ATV or jet ski and shot them in the head. So far in just over a month since Newtown US gun deaths are almost 1300. I'm not against guns but I am against the ease with which people can get them. Just like a drivers license you should be able to show you have the minimum skill required to use a gun.
Many innocent people were killed on boats and jet skis not of their own choice or doing, but by some other idiot crashing into them. Is their death any less meaningful than someone killed by a gun? The point is we have freedoms, including boats, jet skis, AND guns. Those freedoms have consequences that are sometimes tragic, but that doesnt mean we give those freedoms away. There is no doubt banning boats and jet skis would save more innocent people from being killed by another than assault weapons.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#11046 Feb 2, 2013
Absolutely amazing how many people are willing to throw out the Constitution because of a whim of the times or because there are parts of it they disagree with. The dead revolutionary war soldiers who died to give us that magnificent document are turning in their graves, as is the thousands of soldiers who have since died to protect it. The simple minded can not comprehend the importance so they casually dismiss it as outdated and unimportant. If there ever is a majority of the people who agree with that simple minded thinking that will mark the end of this once great country and the next civil war will begin.
Patriot

United States

#11047 Feb 2, 2013
MindlessFoxBot wrote:
Absolutely amazing how many people are willing to throw out the Constitution because of a whim of the times or because there are parts of it they disagree with. The dead revolutionary war soldiers who died to give us that magnificent document are turning in their graves, as is the thousands of soldiers who have since died to protect it. The simple minded can not comprehend the importance so they casually dismiss it as outdated and unimportant. If there ever is a majority of the people who agree with that simple minded thinking that will mark the end of this once great country and the next civil war will begin.
Could it be they know this and that is why they want to disarm you? Once disarmed they can ignore the constitution and force their views on you.
eddymunster

Independence, WV

#11048 Feb 2, 2013
MindlessFoxBot wrote:
<quoted text>Many innocent people were killed on boats and jet skis not of their own choice or doing, but by some other idiot crashing into them. Is their death any less meaningful than someone killed by a gun? The point is we have freedoms, including boats, jet skis, AND guns. Those freedoms have consequences that are sometimes tragic, but that doesnt mean we give those freedoms away. There is no doubt banning boats and jet skis would save more innocent people from being killed by another than assault weapons.
Still my point is they chose to get on a boat, jet ski or other. And these 99% of the time are still accidents.They do not choose to be robbed, shot in a drive by, mugged, homes to be invaded, killed in a movie theater or school. The 2nd amendment says you have a right to bear arms as part a a "well regulated militia". Any militias we have today are not well regulated. Again I'm not against guns only those in the hands of people who have no idea how to use them, or those who should not have them at all. For me it's not even about the assault weapons. It's about the regulation of all weapons.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#11049 Feb 2, 2013
eddymunster wrote:
<quoted text>
Still my point is they chose to get on a boat, jet ski or other. And these 99% of the time are still accidents.They do not choose to be robbed, shot in a drive by, mugged, homes to be invaded, killed in a movie theater or school. The 2nd amendment says you have a right to bear arms as part a a "well regulated militia". Any militias we have today are not well regulated. Again I'm not against guns only those in the hands of people who have no idea how to use them, or those who should not have them at all. For me it's not even about the assault weapons. It's about the regulation of all weapons.
Your right to keep and bear arms is not dependant on either membership or participation in a militia. The opposite is true. The ability to create/call-up a well-regulated militia, this being necessary to the security of a free state, is dependant on your right to keep and bear arms. That is why it says 'the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed'. It does not say the right of the militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; or the right of the militia to stockpile arms and train regularly with them shall not be infringed; or the the right of the state to keep a militia shall not be infringed, so that it may protect itself from the federal government. It says the right of the people shall not be infringed.

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