State of Florida

Huntersville, NC

#43123 Oct 11, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> Hillary Clinton voted to invade Iraq, along with forty per cent of all democrats.
Hillary Clinton made a bonehead call on that one, but she will make a much better President in 2016 than Ted Cruz.

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#43124 Oct 11, 2013
Allen wrote:
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So you think Obama spent 6 trillion dollars all by himself with no help from congress? I call BS. Being that the national debt is about 13 trillion then would it not be fair to stick Bush with 7 trillion of it?
Actually the National Debt rose $4.899 Trillion the 8 years Bush was in office and that's after financing two wars.
Under the Ruler, the National Debt has increased by $4.939 Trillion in just his first term! He's increased the debt more in 4 years than Bush did in 8....and just wait until Obamacare is in full swing plus another 4 years of Commucrat spending! The National Debt is projected to be between $20-$22 Trillion by the time he leaves the White House!

Why did the debt only increase by $5 Trillion while Bush was in office? Because the Republican's ideology actually works! By instilling the Bush Tax Cuts, the Federal Govt actually took in more tax revenue than the current administration! Granted, the housing bubble hasn't helped but the Rulers failed stimulus bill, plus his ending the tax cuts, has failed to stimulate anything including the economy, jobs, and especially tax revenues!

So to answer your question, no, it wouldn't be fair to stick Bush with more debt than he actually accumulated!
State of Florida

Huntersville, NC

#43125 Oct 11, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> Glad to help you old man.I believe that college education, and trade school education, should be free to any person who maintains adequate grades.
Isn't that socialism with the American taxpayer paying for their higher education just like they do elementary, middle and high school? Maybe we could home school college students and save a lot of money from the budget?

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#43126 Oct 11, 2013
TSF wrote:
And what governmental entity has the responsibility of passing a budget? That would be--- you guessed it-- CONGRESS. Then the monies are/(supposed) to be awarded by departments where department ADMINISTERATORS allocate and approve expenditures according to their departmental mission mandated by congress.
The fact that CONGRESS has not been approving annual budgets but only piecemeal micromanaging is why nothing is working the way it should. The president submits a budget to congress . If congress disagrees, then they can pass a budget by a 2/3 vote which can become law without the president's signature. A person or a government cannot sensibly plan financially for the future without a budget. With no budget, you live hand to mouth going from one monthly crisis to another an another and arguing about whose fault it is..
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I agree with your post but therein lies the problem! The President HASN'T proposed a budget so the House has come up with their version and the Senate has come up with theirs. The two sides simply can't agree, neither the House nor the Senate have a 2/3's majority, and we don't have a leader that can sit down with Congress and come up with a solution! Why? Because the Commucrats want a blank check so they can do as they please!
If a budget were in place, the raising of the debt ceiling would be a non issue because both sides would already know what must be done in order to meet an agreed budget! Trying to budget through the debt ceiling debates isn't the way our fore fathers laid out the Constitution! But then again, the Ruler has already stated that the Constitution is outdated and it stands in the way of what he's trying to accomplish.

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#43127 Oct 11, 2013
State of Florida wrote:
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A country held hostage over a legitmate law that radical Republicans tried to repeal 42 times before in Congress unsuccessfully. You are left with a divided Republican party over this issue. Fortunately you still have some reasonable thinking Republicans left. The Tea Party is your downfall. And you want to discuss sanity?
Segregation was a legitimate law for many years before the Republicans took a stand to overturn the law....which was met with stern opposition from the Commucrats!
Uh, kinda sounds like Obamacare!

“physics is your friend”

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#43128 Oct 11, 2013
State of Florida wrote:
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Isn't that socialism with the American taxpayer paying for their higher education just like they do elementary, middle and high school? Maybe we could home school college students and save a lot of money from the budget?
Well State, we all have a few liberal bones in us, do we not? Now, tell me, any conservative notions from your side?

“physics is your friend”

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#43129 Oct 11, 2013
By the way, State, I've been paying school taxes for years.Does that mean I'm a socialist? Do I get a card, or something?

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#43130 Oct 11, 2013
Allen wrote:
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Hear, Hear. The radical republicons (teaparty) belong to the (Banana Republic). The reasonable thinking republicons are of the (Establishment Party). According to Pro they are one in the same. The Washington Journal reported that the republicons approval rating amoung the American people is now 24%. An all time low! They can thank Ted Cruz for that.
Actually the elite establishment only represents 28% of the party and they're seen within the party as moderates. 72% of the party is TEA partiers and they're seen as real conservatives.
Funny how a member of the opposing party tries to explain the inner workings of their opposition.
Thank The Lord for Ted Cruz!!!!

“physics is your friend”

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#43131 Oct 11, 2013
Pro-American wrote:
<quoted text>Actually the elite establishment only represents 28% of the party and they're seen within the party as moderates. 72% of the party is TEA partiers and they're seen as real conservatives.
Funny how a member of the opposing party tries to explain the inner workings of their opposition.
Thank The Lord for Ted Cruz!!!!
Amen to that!
State of Florida

Huntersville, NC

#43132 Oct 11, 2013
Pro-American wrote:
<quoted text>Segregation was a legitimate law for many years before the Republicans took a stand to overturn the law....which was met with stern opposition from the Commucrats!
Uh, kinda sounds like Obamacare!
You have to be joking when you know full well that that solid south democrats were disbanded as the segregationists of that era immediately swiched to the Republican party, with Strom Thurmond being the lead horse. That is why at the passage of the bill, Lyndon Johnson said, "Gentlemen, with the passage of the Civil Rights legislation, we have just dissloved the solid Democratic south". Lyndon Johnson traded a vote with Republicans for Civil Rights in exchange for the escalation of the Viet Nam war to please the greedy Republicans to make money on the Military Industrial Complex for more defense spending. Remember, Barry Goldwater ran on the escalation of the war. So, it was a political trade. And, you try to make it sound like the Republicans of that era had a social conscious for racial fairness. BS.
State of Florida

Huntersville, NC

#43133 Oct 11, 2013
Pro-American wrote:
<quoted text>Actually the elite establishment only represents 28% of the party and they're seen within the party as moderates. 72% of the party is TEA partiers and they're seen as real conservatives.
Funny how a member of the opposing party tries to explain the inner workings of their opposition.
Thank The Lord for Ted Cruz!!!!
I, too, am thankful for Ted Cruz. He is throwing your party down a hole that it may take 10 or more years to crawl out of.

“ We are not permanent”

Since: Oct 08

Gaston County

#43139 Oct 11, 2013
Pro-American wrote:
<quoted text>Actually the National Debt rose $4.899 Trillion the 8 years Bush was in office and that's after financing two wars.
Under the Ruler, the National Debt has increased by $4.939 Trillion in just his first term! He's increased the debt more in 4 years than Bush did in 8....and just wait until Obamacare is in full swing plus another 4 years of Commucrat spending! The National Debt is projected to be between $20-$22 Trillion by the time he leaves the White House!

Why did the debt only increase by $5 Trillion while Bush was in office? Because the Republican's ideology actually works! By instilling the Bush Tax Cuts, the Federal Govt actually took in more tax revenue than the current administration! Granted, the housing bubble hasn't helped but the Rulers failed stimulus bill, plus his ending the tax cuts, has failed to stimulate anything including the economy, jobs, and especially tax revenues!

So to answer your question, no, it wouldn't be fair to stick Bush with more debt than he actually accumulated!
Pro, better be sure you confirm your numbers TSF. He seems to have the "real" numbers we all should be using. Apparently the ones provided from the government website are not correct.
State of Florida

Huntersville, NC

#43142 Oct 11, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
By the way, State, I've been paying school taxes for years.Does that mean I'm a socialist? Do I get a card, or something?
No, you just get a Communist name calling response from Taxpayer.
State of Florida

Huntersville, NC

#43143 Oct 11, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> Well State, we all have a few liberal bones in us, do we not? Now, tell me, any conservative notions from your side?
Yes, I think college students should be home schooled.
State of Florida

Huntersville, NC

#43144 Oct 11, 2013
The Enemy Within wrote:
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Pro, better be sure you confirm your numbers TSF. He seems to have the "real" numbers we all should be using. Apparently the ones provided from the government website are not correct.
That is odd. You trust Obama and the government for nothing but numbers? In everything else they are liars. According to your side, Obama does nothing but stack the books, yet here you are believing his numbers. What's up with that?

“ We are not permanent”

Since: Oct 08

Gaston County

#43145 Oct 11, 2013
State of Florida wrote:
<quoted text>That is odd. You trust Obama and the government for nothing but numbers? In everything else they are liars. According to your side, Obama does nothing but stack the books, yet here you are believing his numbers. What's up with that?
Never said I trusted the numbers, just stated I used the numbers that were provided by the Obama administration.

I still do think he and his administration are LIARS!

I don't have a "side". I am pretty well rounded. I gather information from both sides of the arguments and come to a rational conclusion. I don't attempt to rewrite facts or twist truths. Bottom line Obama made campaign promises on many things that he either had no intention of doing (that would be lying) or he made campaign promises that he couldn't keep.(Again, a lie). Obama is not the first to do this, all politicians do this. The problem is, Obama is not only the President of the United States but the face for the American people around the world. What an embarrassment he has turned out to be.

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#43146 Oct 11, 2013
State of Florida wrote:
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You have to be joking when you know full well that that solid south democrats were disbanded as the segregationists of that era immediately swiched to the Republican party, with Strom Thurmond being the lead horse. That is why at the passage of the bill, Lyndon Johnson said, "Gentlemen, with the passage of the Civil Rights legislation, we have just dissloved the solid Democratic south". Lyndon Johnson traded a vote with Republicans for Civil Rights in exchange for the escalation of the Viet Nam war to please the greedy Republicans to make money on the Military Industrial Complex for more defense spending. Remember, Barry Goldwater ran on the escalation of the war. So, it was a political trade. And, you try to make it sound like the Republicans of that era had a social conscious for racial fairness. BS.
You obviously missed the point! Segregation WAS the law, albeit a bad one, and eventually it was overturned. Obamacare is also a bad law and hopefully it will get overturned someday.....although it's highly unlikely because once you GIVE someone something,(ie welfare), it's almost impossible to take back.
As far as your post, we've already had this discussion several times, you were wrong then and you're still wrong now.
In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. The Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes. It was Republican President Eisenhower and the Civil Rights Act of 1957 that got the ball rolling. Granted this bill accomplished very little but that's because the Commucrats, and then Senate leader Lyndon B. Johnson, were adamantly opposed to passing the bill at all, so they dismantled the bill and passed a watered down version. The Commucrats fought the Civil Rights movement tooth and nail and it was also the Commucrats that inserted and carried out the Jim Crow laws! It wasn't until after Johnson took office that he changed his tune on the movement and that was for one simple reason.....which was to obtain the black vote for the Commucrat Party! Let's not forget one of his more infamous quotes to which he made to two Gov's while aboard Air Force One,Ill have those n's voting Democratic for the next 200 years. From 1940 to 1960 Johnson voted with the South 78% on civil rights issues. Prior to 1957, Johnson voted with the South 100% on civil rights issues. He also voted against the C.R.A. of 1957 and 1960
Read his biography sometime, you'll actually learn some REAL history, not the liberal propaganda that's taught in our govt schools!

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#43147 Oct 11, 2013
State of Florida wrote:
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That is odd. You trust Obama and the government for nothing but numbers? In everything else they are liars. According to your side, Obama does nothing but stack the books, yet here you are believing his numbers. What's up with that?
I thought the CBO was non partisan. Of course they should be considered "non-essential" since we haven't had a budget in 5 years!

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#43148 Oct 11, 2013
State of Florida wrote:
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Yes, I think college students should be home schooled.
They'd have a lot better chance of being successful and a hellava lot less debt!
Allen

Penrose, NC

#43153 Oct 12, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> SO, now you're saying that because Congress is trying to save money by trying to negotiate some spending concessions, you're mad at them? But you also want to accuse them of spending that six trillion? Came have it both ways.
I believe Mr. Spelling Police you meant "Can't have it both ways." Correct?

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