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A prime example of paying zero sales tax and sucking off the taxpayer's teat is the Caldwell county deal 4 years ago when Broyhill (Furniture Brands Int.) was given over 4 million dollars in cash to actually cut jobs because they threatened to move if we didn't pay the extortion. Now Carolina Panthers owners have extorted 87 million dollars from Mecklenberg County taxpayers supposedly to build escalators in the BoA Stadium so the "sports fans" will not have to walk up stairs. They now claim that the Panthers are "teathered to Charlotte for 5 more years. Actually , Charlotte is the one which is teathered. The reason taxes on working people is so high is because the business baby mommas are sucking up tax dollars faster than working people can pay it in.. the incentive thing has gone way past incentives and into the area of dependency welfare for the rich.
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<quoted text>In your utopian world maybe they'll be world peace as well!
The bottom line is if NC doesn't offer these tax breaks, there's 49 other states that will.
NO company is offered more in tax breaks than they'll generate in taxes, that's absurd. These breaks are offered in order to lure or maintain a certain business while knowing full well they'll generate much more in taxes to recoup the breaks and then some!

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May 2, 2013
 
TSF wrote:
A prime example of paying zero sales tax and sucking off the taxpayer's teat is the Caldwell county deal 4 years ago when Broyhill (Furniture Brands Int.) was given over 4 million dollars in cash to actually cut jobs because they threatened to move if we didn't pay the extortion. Now Carolina Panthers owners have extorted 87 million dollars from Mecklenberg County taxpayers supposedly to build escalators in the BoA Stadium so the "sports fans" will not have to walk up stairs. They now claim that the Panthers are "teathered to Charlotte for 5 more years. Actually , Charlotte is the one which is teathered. The reason taxes on working people is so high is because the business baby mommas are sucking up tax dollars faster than working people can pay it in.. the incentive thing has gone way past incentives and into the area of dependency welfare for the rich.
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I don't know much about the Caldwell/Broyhill deal but I do know about the Clt/Panthers deal.
It was Mayor Foxx who approached Richardson about the city helping with the refurbishing of the stadium, NOT Richardson approaching the city. It's a known fact that Richardson is in poor health and it was Mayor Foxx who feared if Richardson passed then the new owner/owners would relocate the team. Again, it was Foxx who approached the team with the plan of using taxpayer dollars in exchange for a commitment from the team staying in Clt for the next 30 years. Both sides negotiated and compromised on LESS tax dollars than what was originally offered in exchange for a 15 year commitment,(regardless of who the owner is). This was actually smart on Foxx's behalf because the tax dollars allocated for the project would be returned in revenue for the city in less than 5 years, leaving another 10 for pure profit. Also, lets not forget that Richardson built the stadium using money generated from PSL's and his own pocket, NO TAX DOLLARS were used in the initial construction, so the city has actually been reaping the benefits for 18 years! I would say $125M tax dollars is just a small token of thanks for all Mr Richardson has done for Clt's economy!
As far as the city being "teathered", the $125M will be paid by a 1% increase in the food tax. If you don't want to support the deal, you don't have to eat in Clt, it's that simple. It's not like the city is taxing every Clt resident, ie. Cincy, Min, etc.
Since your "facts" were all wrong about the Clt/Panthers deal, it makes me wonder if they all wrong about the Caldwell/Broyhill deal as well!
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Economic development is just an euphemism for corporate welfare. Another Caldwell County example is the New River Builders deal where Caldwell county taxpayers paid out $230,000 to New River Builders to "create" 35 jobs. I drive by there every day and have never seen more than 2 cars in the parking lot. So the jobs creation never happened. Did we get our money back? You guessed correctly if you said NO. Not only did we give corporate welfare to New River Builders, but we also gave them a competitive advantage over existing building supply businesses. This is the exact opposite of free enterprise brought to you by , you guessed it , republikans.
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The "facts" are that 87 million dollars will be extorted from restaurants and their patrons to pay for sports arena upgrades. A true believer in free enterprise would not steal from and stress one business (restaurants) in order to subsidize another business(Panthers). What we have here is free enterprise in reverse, or not so subtlety concealed communism.
Pro-American wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know much about the Caldwell/Broyhill deal but I do know about the Clt/Panthers deal.
It was Mayor Foxx who approached Richardson about the city helping with the refurbishing of the stadium, NOT Richardson approaching the city. It's a known fact that Richardson is in poor health and it was Mayor Foxx who feared if Richardson passed then the new owner/owners would relocate the team. Again, it was Foxx who approached the team with the plan of using taxpayer dollars in exchange for a commitment from the team staying in Clt for the next 30 years. Both sides negotiated and compromised on LESS tax dollars than what was originally offered in exchange for a 15 year commitment,(regardless of who the owner is). This was actually smart on Foxx's behalf because the tax dollars allocated for the project would be returned in revenue for the city in less than 5 years, leaving another 10 for pure profit. Also, lets not forget that Richardson built the stadium using money generated from PSL's and his own pocket, NO TAX DOLLARS were used in the initial construction, so the city has actually been reaping the benefits for 18 years! I would say $125M tax dollars is just a small token of thanks for all Mr Richardson has done for Clt's economy!
As far as the city being "teathered", the $125M will be paid by a 1% increase in the food tax. If you don't want to support the deal, you don't have to eat in Clt, it's that simple. It's not like the city is taxing every Clt resident, ie. Cincy, Min, etc.
Since your "facts" were all wrong about the Clt/Panthers deal, it makes me wonder if they all wrong about the Caldwell/Broyhill deal as well!

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May 2, 2013
 
TSF wrote:
The "facts" are that 87 million dollars will be extorted from restaurants and their patrons to pay for sports arena upgrades. A true believer in free enterprise would not steal from and stress one business (restaurants) in order to subsidize another business(Panthers). What we have here is free enterprise in reverse, or not so subtlety concealed communism.
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Seeing as how Clt is ran by the Commucrats, I could see the concealed communism argument, it's what the liberals are known for. That $87M will be recouped over a 30 year period, not exactly a major strain on those who eat out.
Exactly how is it stealing or putting stress on the restaurants?
My point is its not a tax on all Clt residents, rather those who choose to eat out. This also includes those who are just passing thru. Since I neither live nor eat in Clt, I could care less either way!

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We need more minorities for judges !!!

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Pro, you are a heck of an American! By the way, I thought you guys were against higher taxes? WTF?

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By the way Pro, if you're still around, aside from Rand Paul, who do you think can motivate the republican base, as well as encourage younger voters to vote republican and grab some Southern Democrats?, Many republicans were successful in the past by getting crossover votes from the democrats, Reagan in particular.
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#39764
May 2, 2013
 
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Republikans are the American version of the Taliban. Pretending the female breast is a threat to society is just an excuse for trying to get their women under control. This is just a new twist on the old barefoot and pregnant tactic. Next republikans will have their women (and all women) wearing veils in public to prevent other men from being attracted . They are not so stupid as to believe that making more laws against something which is already illegal will make the events less likely. Republikans are just that insecure in their own manhood. They are sickos.
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Republilosers are just a little less scummy than da democraps, let's tell the truth here.TAliban? Right. Didn't the republicans go to war with da talibowels?
martel

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May 2, 2013
 
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How about a female weigh in on the issue of breast feeding and when and when it's not appropriate and why idiots need a breast feeding law. I have a friend and a cousin who both breast fed their children until age five. That's warped to me and pretty close to sex abuse. Breast feeding children far beyond the age of giving them a sippy cup is out of control. When a child is old enough to ask mom for the teet or reach in her blouse to grab the milk jug, laws need to be made. Breastfeeding is a natural and healthy way to feed a child during INFANCY. There are breast pumps to pump milk before leaving for an outing that a mother can use and there's no need to breastfeed in public. I don't like to see it and I'm a woman. To me it says "I'm a woman too lazy to pump milk and fix bottles before I leave and not have to whip out the jug or have my breasts leaking all over my blouse, so I'll just make not only myself uncomfortable but everyone around me."
Moar laws!! If a woman wants to breastfeed who cares? If a business owner doesn't like it, tell momma and kid to go somewhere else to feed and suckle. Or put one of those stickers on their business door showing a boob with a line going through it, problemo solved
martel

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May 2, 2013
 
waco1909 wrote:
By the way Pro, if you're still around, aside from Rand Paul, who do you think can motivate the republican base, as well as encourage younger voters to vote republican and grab some Southern Democrats?, Many republicans were successful in the past by getting crossover votes from the democrats, Reagan in particular.
Republicans are on the demographic losing end of that stick with the democrats. Hispanics, blacks and asians vote overwhelmingly democratic.
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May 2, 2013
 
Huddin wrote:
We need more minorities for judges !!!
Yes, more minority judges!!! If we don't get more minorities, it means we hate minorities!! We don't want to be racccissss do we?
TSF

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You think it will not cost restaurant owners to collect, record and pay in all those additional taxes. You think increasing the price of meals will not hurt their business? Adding tax to persons eating and giving the money to the Panthers isn't redistribution of wealth? Upward redistribution ( reverse Robin Hood) is just socialism for the rich. This welfare to the business baby mommas is slamming the working people. Its a republican form of communism.
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<quoted text>Seeing as how Clt is ran by the Commucrats, I could see the concealed communism argument, it's what the liberals are known for. That $87M will be recouped over a 30 year period, not exactly a major strain on those who eat out.
Exactly how is it stealing or putting stress on the restaurants?
My point is its not a tax on all Clt residents, rather those who choose to eat out. This also includes those who are just passing thru. Since I neither live nor eat in Clt, I could care less either way!

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TSF a tax is. a tax.SINCE I've been here, I've noticed that North Carolina has a lot of taxes masquerading as"fees".HOWEVER, giving companies tax breaks to attract businesses is not that bad a deal.San Antonio have tax breaks to Toyota, Toyota now has an enormous factory there employing a LOT OF PEOPLE.
TSF

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Faux News puts a good face lies.

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May 3, 2013
 
TSF wrote:
You think it will not cost restaurant owners to collect, record and pay in all those additional taxes. You think increasing the price of meals will not hurt their business? Adding tax to persons eating and giving the money to the Panthers isn't redistribution of wealth? Upward redistribution ( reverse Robin Hood) is just socialism for the rich. This welfare to the business baby mommas is slamming the working people. Its a republican form of communism.
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Restaurants already collect a 1% food tax so to increase it to 2% isn't that big of deal for them, just a click of the mouse, no? The price of meals is NOT increasing, the tax is and again, we're only talking a 1% increase so what's that, a couple pennies to a dollar?
Again, they already charge a 1% food tax to support other projects, it's not a new tax. I see you libs weren't complaining when they instituted the original 1% tax because it was for projects that your side supported!
Also, let me point out that Clt and Mecklenburg County are both run by Commucrats so it's no surprise that they would institute "upward redistribution" as you call it.
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waco1909 wrote:
By the way Pro, if you're still around, aside from Rand Paul, who do you think can motivate the republican base, as well as encourage younger voters to vote republican and grab some Southern Democrats?, Many republicans were successful in the past by getting crossover votes from the democrats, Reagan in particular.
I really like Ted Cruz from your home state as well as the obvious Rubio. Between the three, and I'm sure more will come forward, it looks like a pretty good crop of candidates so far.

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TSF wrote:
Faux News puts a good face lies.
The Girls On Fox News Song
Bet you drive by here daily.You should stop in, old boy.

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Pro-American wrote:
<quoted text>I really like Ted Cruz from your home state as well as the obvious Rubio. Between the three, and I'm sure more will come forward, it looks like a pretty good crop of candidates so far.
The New Wave can make a difference.When Ted Cruz ran against the republican Old Guard Candidate,Dewhurst, Dewhurst slandered Cruz constantly.Cruz never told a lie.

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