problems at caldwell county jail
Answer

Asheville, NC

#21 Aug 12, 2006
Harris will win wrote:
If we only get $45. a day to keep prisoners for other counties, and have to spend out large sums of money for their health care, food, etc. something is messed up with that math. I do not think that $8.oo a pack cigarettes that clark keeps for his own spending money, could even make up the difference, if he gave it back to the county. Terry Harris is going to win this election, because clark and the commissioners can not do math.
Let me clarify something before you get too caught up in your own little story. Yes, other counties pay $45 a day to house inmates. But they also carry the medical bills generated by those inmates. Caldwell just houses them. Their county is still responsible for their healthcare and doctors appointments. Before you throw stones at someone else do your math with the right formula.
Answer

Asheville, NC

#22 Aug 12, 2006
Harris will win wrote:
It would make more sense to only keep prisoners from Caldwell co. in the jail. This would save the county tax payers money, but of course sheriff otis could not sell as many cigarettes at $8. per pack. That way we would only be responsible for our county's residents, odds of them having insurance is slim to none. Then they would not have to sleep on the floor,they would get their medicines, and have a blanket and enough to eat. Instead of the present overcrowded conditions. That might cut down on fights and demerits. Someone do the math, the Sheriff is not able to figure that out.
Let me give you a figure to ponder on. The old administration in the old jail would routinely house more inmates than allowed. They were always getting written up during inspections. The old jail would only hold 68 prisoners and there were times when it had as many as 120-130 prisoners in it. Then Caldwell would have to ship them out of county and pay $30-$40 a day to have them housed. Not to mention the abuse that went on between the inmates due to it being overcrowded and temperatures of over 100 degrees. Go back and ask the county for figures of what the jail has had to pay to house other inmates and medical costs associated with the jail over the last 10-15 years. It will amaze you how much tax dollars go there.
Harris will win

Candor, NC

#23 Aug 12, 2006
This is your little story, NOT MINE!!! So, don't get your underoos in a wad. You are the one that presented it at $45. a day not me. You are the one that said the medical costs were high, NOT ME!!! Why are we paying such high medical bills if other counties pay for the doctors and health costs of their prisoners? I am concerned with Caldwell County tax money being spent on the jail and sheriff's dept. more than other things that it could be used for. Let me do my math: 3 packs of cigarettes at $8.00 per pack equals $24.00 or one vote. Is that correct???LOL
Answer

Asheville, NC

#24 Aug 12, 2006
Harris will win wrote:
This is your little story, NOT MINE!!! So, don't get your underoos in a wad. You are the one that presented it at $45. a day not me. You are the one that said the medical costs were high, NOT ME!!! Why are we paying such high medical bills if other counties pay for the doctors and health costs of their prisoners? I am concerned with Caldwell County tax money being spent on the jail and sheriff's dept. more than other things that it could be used for. Let me do my math: 3 packs of cigarettes at $8.00 per pack equals $24.00 or one vote. Is that correct???LOL
Your wrong again. I was just ansering a question and the $45 a day came from the News Topic. It takes money to house prisoners and prosecute crimes. Lots of it. Either you pay with taxes or pay with insurance after you've been robbed. Either way you and I both have to pay. At least this way we know where the criminals are. For your other concern, we have to use tax money to house inmates and hire officers that are willing to catch them and prosecute them. Justice isn't always cheap. Part of that justice is housing criminals, at all costs.
Harris will win

Candor, NC

#25 Aug 12, 2006
Aren't you just a store house of information?
Answer

Asheville, NC

#26 Aug 13, 2006
Harris will win wrote:
Aren't you just a store house of information?
More than you realize.
Question

Mauldin, SC

#27 Aug 13, 2006
Answer wrote:
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More than you realize.
Great we have someone that knows things.
Will you please tell us about the jail so that we might understand it better,
like what kind of shape is it in?
is it over filed?
what was some of the demerits for?
what if anything can the taxpayers do to help with problems at the jail?
Answer

Asheville, NC

#28 Aug 13, 2006
Question wrote:
<quoted text>
Great we have someone that knows things.
Will you please tell us about the jail so that we might understand it better,
like what kind of shape is it in?
is it over filed?
what was some of the demerits for?
what if anything can the taxpayers do to help with problems at the jail?
The jail is in good shape compared to the old one. Whether its full or not depends on the in and out processing that goes on daily.

I'll try to get a list of the demerits and post them. I'm as curious as the next person to see what they are for. Just keep in mind that some demerits may not be that bad. Just as in a health inspection at a restaurant.

The taxpayers can't do a whole lot other than go on bulletin boards like this one and discuss it and try to keep the leaders accountable and make them publish what is going on. Always give the leaders the benefit of the doubt until you hear all the information. Remember knowledge is power and the best way to keep down problems is let the people know what is going on, good or bad. I say we call the news topic and ask them to ask the questions of the jail to find out what the demerits are.
Worried

Mauldin, SC

#29 Aug 13, 2006
Answer wrote:
<quoted text>
The jail is in good shape compared to the old one. Whether its full or not depends on the in and out processing that goes on daily.
I'll try to get a list of the demerits and post them. I'm as curious as the next person to see what they are for. Just keep in mind that some demerits may not be that bad. Just as in a health inspection at a restaurant.
The taxpayers can't do a whole lot other than go on bulletin boards like this one and discuss it and try to keep the leaders accountable and make them publish what is going on. Always give the leaders the benefit of the doubt until you hear all the information. Remember knowledge is power and the best way to keep down problems is let the people know what is going on, good or bad. I say we call the news topic and ask them to ask the questions of the jail to find out what the demerits are.
Thank you
Yes the old jail was really bad,I got to go on a tour of the old jail with Steve Reid when I was serving on grand jury,I was very upset at the conditions of the jail and how many there were in one cell.
That is why I ask the questions,I could care less what they have to pay for smokes,I am just worried about the conditions and if there is a need for improvements.
Could we profit if the jail was larger and we could take in more inmates from other counties?
As far as the news paper I don't have much faith or trust with them.I tried that once and they made me look like a fool,they twisted my commet into something I didn't even say.
Thank you if you can get answers.
I truly hope that we can keep this as problems at the jail and not about the Sheriff Race.
Answer

Asheville, NC

#30 Aug 13, 2006
We can try. I don't mind talking about the jail or the Sheriff's race if people would leave their personal agenda's out of it. I like to have a good healthy debate and discussion. I'll keep my eyes and ears open.
Wondering

Mocksville, NC

#31 Aug 13, 2006
Answer, you seem to have all the answers so who are you Sheriff C?
Sweetiepie

Wilkesboro, NC

#32 Aug 13, 2006
Can anyone compare the jail situation now to when the last administration was in office and at the new jail (not the old jail). What was the largest number and worst demerits under the previous administration and what are they now? Why isn't it public record what the demerits are? They should not be withheld. Why weren't they published? We as citizens and taxpayers have a right to know.
Wondering

Mocksville, NC

#33 Aug 13, 2006
I agree with you Sweetie Pie. Let us hear what the demerits were for. Does that not seem fair to everyone?
Answer

Asheville, NC

#34 Aug 13, 2006
Wondering wrote:
Answer, you seem to have all the answers so who are you Sheriff C?
No I'm not Sheriff C. Please don't start all that on a forum where people want to discuss some legitimate issues without all the accusations and assumptions going back and forth. I don't have all the answers but can provide insight to a lot of questions. At least I will provide what I know in a fair and objectionable way no matter who is in charge.
Answer

Asheville, NC

#35 Aug 13, 2006
Sweetiepie wrote:
Can anyone compare the jail situation now to when the last administration was in office and at the new jail (not the old jail). What was the largest number and worst demerits under the previous administration and what are they now? Why isn't it public record what the demerits are? They should not be withheld. Why weren't they published? We as citizens and taxpayers have a right to know.
Here's some information that may be helpful. The Department of Health and Human Services, Division of Facility Services are the ones responsible for jail inspections. According to their website they are the ones that inspect the jails and keep records of the inspections.
The contact information is as follows:

John Harkins
[email protected]

State Website:
http://facility-services.state.nc.us/overview...

This may not be the right answer but its a start.
Sweetiepie

Wilkesboro, NC

#36 Aug 14, 2006
Answer..thank you for the above info but this info should come from our sheriff or county commissioners, don't you think. We shouldn't have to go searching for it. I find it stange that you don't want "accusations and assumptions going on". You were the one that made ugly comments on another forum. After I questioned what you were posting as fact, you never answered. I really don't think you have all the answers. Your comments on this forum are a contradiction to the other forum. Also, comparing the old jail and the cost to taxpayers now and then and the conditions there were not the fault of the sheriff. Things changed a lot when they got to the new jail. That is why I asked for a comparison between cost & demerits between the previous administration at the jail and the present administration at the jail. Answer...can you answer that one?
Question

Mauldin, SC

#37 Aug 15, 2006
Seems as though no one has any real ANSWERS?
Answer

Asheville, NC

#38 Aug 15, 2006
Sweetiepie wrote:
Answer..thank you for the above info but this info should come from our sheriff or county commissioners, don't you think. We shouldn't have to go searching for it. I find it stange that you don't want "accusations and assumptions going on". You were the one that made ugly comments on another forum. After I questioned what you were posting as fact, you never answered. I really don't think you have all the answers. Your comments on this forum are a contradiction to the other forum. Also, comparing the old jail and the cost to taxpayers now and then and the conditions there were not the fault of the sheriff. Things changed a lot when they got to the new jail. That is why I asked for a comparison between cost & demerits between the previous administration at the jail and the present administration at the jail. Answer...can you answer that one?
To be honest I was not the answer on the other forum. I can tell you that the There should be a higher medical cost at the new jail due to more inmates. However, I believe there were more assaults and other crimes in the old jail than the new one. I remember an incident at the old jail where a young man less than 18 years old was sexually assaulted by a man of over 21. The only problem with that is he wasn't supposed to be in the same cell with the adults. Before you start casting stones I'll agree that it can happen in any jail under any Sheriff. I'm not so narrow minded to think that assaults and other things haven't happened under the current administration. Just that there were more of them in the old jail. Yes, we paid out a lot of money housing other inmates in other counties at the old jail, thousands and thousands of dollars. Again, I am not the same answer as the other page. I just call it as I see it and will call it on either side. Look at the above post to find out where to get the exact demerits and violations.
Harris 06

United States

#39 Aug 15, 2006
No one wants to tell what the 26 demerits were for. I think it must be more serious than they are saying or they would be telling it on every forum. TERRY HARRIS IS A MAN OF HONESTY, INTEGRITY, AND MORALS [something clark knows nothing about]
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Boone, NC

#40 Aug 18, 2006
We want a honest answer, what are the 26 demerits for?

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