how do you like your Obamacare

how do you like your Obamacare

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RE al McCoy

United States

#1 Jul 19, 2014
Just wandering through some past posts, do you like that stuff ( obamacare ), how is it working out for you?

Do you still think Obama is great?

I bet you just can't wait to vote for Hillary.

and the sad thing is most of the BHO followers are too stupid to know that they FUed and would actually vote for the Ms's of stupid, the old worn out whore.

“Try to enjoy the ride.”

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#2 Jul 19, 2014
From what I've seen, it's not terrible, but it's not a perfect fix either. The healthcare industry in this country is utterly broken, there's really no denying that. I'm no economist, and when it comes to fiscal matters, I'm happy to admit I'm not the keenest, but I see other countries with far less deplorable healthcare when compared with what we have. The united states has a rather illogical fear of socialism. I'm not one to call myself a socialist. I believe in capitalism to a certain degree, but to those who say "once you start socializing medicine it's a slippery slope," well I have to ask if you feel the same way about fire/rescue, the police, and public school. Because all of those are little pieces of socialism we have chosen to accept as the norm. And yet with those socialized program, they tend to work about as well as any other capitalist one. We have good teachers and bad teachers, we have good cops and bad cops. Just like anything else.

In short, I don't really like Obamacare, but probably for different reasons than you.
RE al McCoy

United States

#3 Jul 19, 2014
we live in a Capitalist country..ok. We have some social programs,that is government . Since man started living (in city/states) socially we have had leaders and they have imposed the people of their area or domain to their rules.

We as US citizens enjoy the most productive and richest country in history as our own free will to sell, make, buy or travel leads us. We that work hard live good and/or better off than those that don't work.

Some people now believe we all should give up most of our earnings to the government to further bigger and bigger government. Taking more money from people and businesses to pay for more and more reasons TO HELP OUT the poor,and let everyone enjoy the benefits of a great society.

It's ideology to believe all people should be slim eat apples instead of fries, share in your wealth (I'm saying wealth not wealthy) your wealth may be 20 dollars an hour.

we are taxed on top of tax and then taxed again.

“Try to enjoy the ride.”

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#4 Jul 19, 2014
Is the fact that "this is the way its always been" a real argument? I mean I'm not saying all tradition is bad, but as times and needs change, methods must also change. Adaptation is the key to survival. It really just comes down to whether you think healthcare is a basic human right. Of course in the 1500s it was not. But in the 1500s you would die from an infection, now you won't. Is healthcare really something that should be reserved only for those with a lot of money? I don't think so. I suppose it comes down to compassion. Some people have it, some people don't.

Healthcare shouldn't be seen as a business or for profit, it should never have been about that. Other well developed counties understand this philosophy. The only reason we don't is because we like to pretend we're the elite. We're not, we're just a bunch of people trying to get through life like anyone else.
Info

Asheville, NC

#5 Jul 20, 2014
Personally, I have the same benefits at the same price as I did before, so for me it is a wash.

However, there are people who have insurance now who have never been able to afford it before. Healthcare for everyone makes our society and our economy better. Even if you don't care about the moral aspects of denying people healthcare, it's just good for us all when we the people around us are healthy.

As for the riches of America, they are slowly but surely being distributed to the top. The middle class is deteriorating, and the effects of that are already evident. What I don't understand is why the people getting stomped seemed so willing to accept it.
But who is paying

Lenoir, NC

#6 Jul 20, 2014
Info wrote:
Personally, I have the same benefits at the same price as I did before, so for me it is a wash.
However, there are people who have insurance now who have never been able to afford it before. Healthcare for everyone makes our society and our economy better. Even if you don't care about the moral aspects of denying people healthcare, it's just good for us all when we the people around us are healthy.
As for the riches of America, they are slowly but surely being distributed to the top. The middle class is deteriorating, and the effects of that are already evident. What I don't understand is why the people getting stomped seemed so willing to accept it.
But who is paying for their healthcare? If their insurance is $600 a month and they only have to pay $100 of it, guess who picks up the other $500 a month? WE DO!!! Month after month. Now multiply that by 8 million!!!

This is not Utopia. Moral aspects aside, we simply cannot afford this as a country.
TrashCastle

Spartanburg, SC

#7 Jul 20, 2014
But who is paying wrote:
<quoted text>But who is paying for their healthcare? If their insurance is $600 a month and they only have to pay $100 of it, guess who picks up the other $500 a month? WE DO!!! Month after month. Now multiply that by 8 million!!!

This is not Utopia. Moral aspects aside, we simply cannot afford this as a country.
I'm not real sure you understand the economics of what you're actually saying. You are basically saying that taxpayers shouldn't bear the burden of the costs of healthcare for everyone; Only the people that can afford it should receive it. The problem with that is that that is what has caused healthcare costs to explode. For example, When people that can't afford insurance go to the emergency rooms for normal ailments and problems, and then not pay for those services - because they can't, those services get absorbed into pricing for those services in the future. According to a local MD, about half of Caldwell Memorials billings are actually paid. This is nationwide and just one example of how costs are being inflated. The current system is not perfect, but it is a step towards a more efficient way of dealing with the current ballooning costs.

“Try to enjoy the ride.”

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#8 Jul 20, 2014
But who is paying wrote:
<quoted text>
But who is paying for their healthcare? If their insurance is $600 a month and they only have to pay $100 of it, guess who picks up the other $500 a month? WE DO!!! Month after month. Now multiply that by 8 million!!!
This is not Utopia. Moral aspects aside, we simply cannot afford this as a country.
You don't know how obamacare works. At all. Obamacare is not socialized medicine.Socialize medicine might actually work. Right now everyone still pays for their own medical care.
Info

Asheville, NC

#9 Jul 20, 2014
Good points. Right now we all pay when people show up at the hospital who cannot afford to pay themselves.

They often also wait longer and require more expensive care because their conditions are worse than if they had come when they were first sick.

Those same people also do not get preventative care because they don't think they can afford it.

We already pay dearly for these folks. Then factor in loss of productivity in the workplace and other factors. It's huge mess.

This is not the perfect solution, but we have to start somewhere. Pharmaceutical corporations and for profit hospitals will fight it tooth and nail, but their interest is in profits, not health.
But who is paying

Lenoir, NC

#10 Jul 20, 2014
TrashCastle wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not real sure you understand the economics of what you're actually saying. You are basically saying that taxpayers shouldn't bear the burden of the costs of healthcare for everyone; Only the people that can afford it should receive it. The problem with that is that that is what has caused healthcare costs to explode. For example, When people that can't afford insurance go to the emergency rooms for normal ailments and problems, and then not pay for those services - because they can't, those services get absorbed into pricing for those services in the future. According to a local MD, about half of Caldwell Memorials billings are actually paid. This is nationwide and just one example of how costs are being inflated. The current system is not perfect, but it is a step towards a more efficient way of dealing with the current ballooning costs.
I definitely understand the economics of what I am saying. We, as a country, cannot afford this month after month, year after year.

You are absolutely right about the abuse of the ER and the exploding healthcare cost that it has caused.

Do I have an answer? No. I wish I did. But I do know that Obamacare is NOT the answer.
But who is paying

Lenoir, NC

#11 Jul 20, 2014
CDCeltown wrote:
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You don't know how obamacare works. At all. Obamacare is not socialized medicine.Socialize medicine might actually work. Right now everyone still pays for their own medical care.
I don't? Really? Everything I posted was true. That is exactly how it works. The people on Obamacare pay a mere pittance and the Federal Government picks up the rest of the bill. Which means the taxpayers of America pays.

Don't believe me? Call any insurance provider of Obamacare in America.
TrashCastle

Spartanburg, SC

#12 Jul 20, 2014
But who is paying wrote:
<quoted text>I don't? Really? Everything I posted was true. That is exactly how it works. The people on Obamacare pay a mere pittance and the Federal Government picks up the rest of the bill. Which means the taxpayers of America pays.

Don't believe me? Call any insurance provider of Obamacare in America.
So, you'd rather the poor continue to not pay anything and insurance (which is for profit) continue to rise because of absorbing the costs of what's not being paid? I'm pretty sure what you are saying is, "if they can't pay for it, screw em." Ever heard of the saying a team is only as strong as it's weakest player?
Darryl Van Horne

Boone, NC

#13 Jul 20, 2014
But who is paying wrote:
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I don't? Really? Everything I posted was true. That is exactly how it works. The people on Obamacare pay a mere pittance and the Federal Government picks up the rest of the bill. Which means the taxpayers of America pays.
Don't believe me? Call any insurance provider of Obamacare in America.
We've been paying for it anyway through high medical costs and insurance premiums. What's the difference? And I've tried to look up this "obamacare" you keep mentioning. I can't find it anywhere. All I found was a website with a lot of insurance providers. Is that what you're talking about. If we have to have car insurance, then everyone should have to have medical insurance. If you don't have good medical insurance, then you're just another burden on the taxpayers.
But who is paying

Lenoir, NC

#14 Jul 20, 2014
TrashCastle wrote:
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So, you'd rather the poor continue to not pay anything and insurance (which is for profit) continue to rise because of absorbing the costs of what's not being paid? I'm pretty sure what you are saying is, "if they can't pay for it, screw em." Ever heard of the saying a team is only as strong as it's weakest player?
Did I say that? No. You, nor anyone else speaks for me as I am fully capable of speaking for myself. I said I do not have the answer. I wish I did. But Obamacare is Not the answer because it will eventually bankrupt the country.

There is a big difference between the truly poor and those who simply expect Uncle Sam to foot the bill. I did not say "screw em" but however, I do believe in personal responsibility. There are many, many people living on the tax payers dime that are fully capable of working. And yes, I do know that jobs are scarce now but this has gone on for generations. Even back when jobs were plentiful.

Bury your head in the sand if you wish, but I prefer to face life realistically. We cannot afford Obamacare.

“Try to enjoy the ride.”

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#15 Jul 20, 2014
Conservative nutjobs have been saying every liberal agenda is going to bankrupt the country for decades now.... no it's not.
But who is paying

Lenoir, NC

#16 Jul 20, 2014
CDCeltown wrote:
Conservative nutjobs have been saying every liberal agenda is going to bankrupt the country for decades now.... no it's not.
LMAO. I have been called many things, but never a conservative. I could probably "out liberal" you any day of the week.

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#17 Jul 20, 2014
Doesn't appear that way.
RE al McCoy

United States

#18 Jul 20, 2014
Heres what is going to bankrupt the country.. illegals.
50,000, 60,000, Thousands and thousands we can't absorb the amount coming into this country.

we have been forced into this socialist ideology from the left. All the left is doing is keeping their dying base up to the levels of getting re-elected, by making millions beholding to the left. The left is losing their base daily and need more and more sheeple to keep the scourges of this country in power.
The left wants to turn this country upside down and rebuild with a true socialist state. The govenment is now controling school lunches, the true history and values we have become reat on, and it sure wasn't socialism.
Darryl Van Horne

Boone, NC

#19 Jul 20, 2014
RE al McCoy wrote:
Heres what is going to bankrupt the country.. illegals.
50,000, 60,000, Thousands and thousands we can't absorb the amount coming into this country.
we have been forced into this socialist ideology from the left. All the left is doing is keeping their dying base up to the levels of getting re-elected, by making millions beholding to the left. The left is losing their base daily and need more and more sheeple to keep the scourges of this country in power.
The left wants to turn this country upside down and rebuild with a true socialist state. The govenment is now controling school lunches, the true history and values we have become reat on, and it sure wasn't socialism.
Actually, I think I is all the tax breaks being given to the corporations who in turn outsource all of our jobs.

“Try to enjoy the ride.”

Since: Jan 09

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#20 Jul 20, 2014
Darryl Van horne knocks it out of the park.

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