ObamaCare Health rationing panels

ObamaCare Health rationing panels

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Hamilton, OH

#1 Sep 28, 2012
Not know what Romney plans, it is still flexible and will be allowed to be read and amended; unlike the unread and mandated obamacare tax...nonetheless, review panels and health care rationing...it is coming, enjoy your final days, they may come quicker than you would like.

New York Times Opinion Writer: We Need Death Panels
by Wesley J. Smith | Washington, DC | LifeNews.com | 9/19/12 11:51 AM

The New York Times uses its op/ed page as a supplement to its editorial page–that is, most of the articles published reflect the views of the editors. Letters to the Editor, too.

->->The NYT has called for health care rationing several times in the past and published articles by others supporting it.>> It did again on Saturday with an article by one of its opinion writers, a former Obama Treasury Department adviser, named Steve Rattner. From,“Beyond Obamacare:”

WE need death panels.

That’s what the technocratic class believes.-> We need to do away with the expensive and nonproductive rather than waste money caring for them. Back to Rattner:

Well, maybe not death panels, exactly, but unless we start allocating health care resources more prudently —> rationing, by its proper name — the exploding cost of Medicare will swamp the federal budget.

Yes, all of us who warned that this was the agenda were such alarmists and conspiracy theorists, weren’t we? But we are right.

Rattner compares the former Ryan Medicare plan and Obama’s, and finds them both cost control wanting.->->The answer–death panels!->-> And it will be the IPAB based on NICE-style quality of life–again, just like I have been warning!

No one wants to lose an aging parent. And with price out of the equation, it’s natural for patients and their families to try every treatment, regardless of expense or efficacy. But that imposes an enormous societal cost that few other nations have been willing to bear. Many countries whose health care systems are regularly extolled — including Canada, Australia and New Zealand —>-> have systems for rationing care.

Take Britain, which provides universal coverage with spending at proportionately almost half of American levels. Its National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence uses a complex quality-adjusted life year system to put an explicit value->-> (up to about $48,000 per year) on a treatment’s ability to extend life. At the least, the Independent Payment Advisory Board should be allowed to offer changes in services and costs. We may shrink from such stomach-wrenching choices, but they are inescapable.

Never doubt me!

LifeNews.com Note: Wesley J. Smith, J.D., is a special consultant to the Center for Bioethics and Culture.

Hamilton, OH

#2 Sep 28, 2012
"Let’s not forget that with the elderly population growing rapidly, even if cost increases for each beneficiary can be contained, Medicare would still claim a rising share of the American economy."

"Medicare needs to take a cue from Willie Sutton, who reportedly said he robbed banks because that’s where the money was. The big money in Medicare is not to be found in Mr. Ryan’s competition or Mr. Obama’s innovation, but in reducing the cost of treating people in the last year of life, which consumes more than a quarter of the program’s budget."

If you don't have a terminal illness how do they determine what your final year will be in order to reduce the costs? Isn't that like ceasing healthcare when you are critically ill at a dollar set point, thus become a fulfilling prophecy by withdrawing health care and allowing you to pass away. Then doesn't that panel then become a death panel?

Sorry folks, you have just had a value assessed on your life, so why would you ever be able to sue for more than the value the health board has accepted as a cutoff point for health treatment? Anyway the IPAB will ultimately decide when you get to pass away.

Now that is some Hopey and Changey....

Lexington, KY

#3 Sep 28, 2012
I saw where you are posting your same crap on the Pikeville board under kyboy. Do you NEVER tire of being stupid??
The Truth

Templeton, CA

#4 Sep 30, 2012
Observer wrote:
I saw where you are posting your same crap on the Pikeville board under kyboy. Do you NEVER tire of being stupid??
What difference does it make? It's about time you started paying attention to what is going on instead of hiding from the truth. It won't come full circle until your faced with this delima yourself but the bad part is your problably going to vote. At least be informed before you do it!

Mount Sterling, KY

#5 Sep 30, 2012
You Tea Party idiots are now history....lose this election and your GONE....SEE YA

Hamilton, OH

#6 Sep 30, 2012
Nope I always post using Wisdom, sorry to kill your conspiracy theory.


WASHINGTON (AP)-- If you or an elderly relative have been hospitalized recently and noticed extra attention when the time came to be discharged, there's more to it than good customer service.

->->As of Monday, Medicare will start fining hospitals that have too many >>>patients readmitted within 30 days of discharge due to complications. The penalties are part of a broader push under President Barack Obama's health care law to improve quality while also trying to save taxpayers money.

About two-thirds of the hospitals serving Medicare patients, or some 2,200 facilities, will be hit with penalties averaging around $125,000 per facility this coming year, according to government estimates.

Data to assess the penalties have been collected and crunched, and Medicare has shared the results with individual hospitals. Medicare plans to post details online later in October, and people can look up how their community hospitals performed by using the agency's "Hospital Compare" website.

It adds up to a new way of doing business for hospitals, and they have scrambled to prepare for well over a year. They are working on ways to improve communication with rehabilitation centers and doctors who follow patients after they're released, as well as connecting individually with patients.

"There is a lot of activity at the hospital level to straighten out our internal processes," said Nancy Foster, vice president for quality and safety at the American Hospital Association. "We are also spreading our wings a little and reaching outside the hospital, to the extent that we can, to make sure patients are getting the ongoing treatment they need."

Still, industry officials say they have misgivings about being held liable for circumstances beyond their control.->-> They also complain that facilities serving low-income people, including many major teaching hospitals, are much more likely to be fined, raising questions of fairness.

"Readmissions are partially within the control of the hospital and partially within the control of others," Foster said.


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