GM plans to build new engine in Ohio

MORAINE: General Motors plans to build a new heavy-duty diesel engine at its plant in a Dayton suburb, investing $69 million and retaining more than 1,000 jobs, the automaker announced Tuesday. Read more
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your kidding right

Peninsula, OH

#1 Feb 6, 2008
This is another reason why Japanese/europeon car makers are doing better then our domestics. didn't we try the diesel thing back in the late 70's and into the eighties and it bombed? diesel cost more than gasoline. what a bunch of idiots. this isn't the future GM. i guess you ran out of ideas.
George N

Greer, SC

#2 Feb 6, 2008
your kidding right wrote:
This is another reason why Japanese/europeon car makers are doing better then our domestics. didn't we try the diesel thing back in the late 70's and into the eighties and it bombed? diesel cost more than gasoline. what a bunch of idiots. this isn't the future GM. i guess you ran out of ideas.
That GM diesel of the 70s and 80s was a disaster because it was a worked over gasoline engine that couldn't hold up to the stress. Truck fleet owners want diesel because it is still cost-effective, that is, the mileage more than makes up for the higher fuel cost.
Paul

United States

#4 Feb 6, 2008
Diesel is huge in Europe because of the better mileage. There have been a lot of advancements in diesel technology over the last decade. My buddy has a VW with a diesel and it is amazingly quiet for a diesel.
George N

Greer, SC

#5 Feb 6, 2008
Paul wrote:
Diesel is huge in Europe because of the better mileage. There have been a lot of advancements in diesel technology over the last decade. My buddy has a VW with a diesel and it is amazingly quiet for a diesel.
Rented a Ford in Italy last year. We didn't even realize it was a diesel until it needed fuel. We got 38 mpg even at the high speeds on the Autostradas (equivalent of the German Autobahn). They also keep the taxes "low" on diesel there so that diesel is "only" around 5 bucks a gallon vs.$6 for gasoline. Did all the calculations from metric to english.
Kent Dawg

Barberton, OH

#6 Feb 6, 2008
Make the plant non-union so that the money is put into the engine instead of paying some union f%#k $90,000/year to build them.
George N

Greer, SC

#7 Feb 6, 2008
Kent Dawg wrote:
Make the plant non-union so that the money is put into the engine instead of paying some union f%#k $90,000/year to build them.
That won't happen. My guess is that the building was already there, it is close to user plants and raw materials, and that a high degree of automation all mitigate the wages. Just a guess.Add that to the concessions GM won in this last contract.

As far as a "green-field" operation, little chance of that happening in a unionized area. Caterpillar makes engines here and pays 800 workers around $18 top wage, and gets a good day's work for it. No way would that have gone to the rust belt.

“America's future is bright!”

Since: Dec 07

Aurora, CO

#10 Feb 10, 2008
I love my diesel. Tons of power and capable of anything. Diesel fuel prices will fall next spring when Bush is gone. Small diesel engines will become more popular as technology brings new developments.
Sam

Washington, DC

#11 Feb 11, 2008
Kent Dawg is a typical brainwashed idiot who talks about things he knows nothing about.He probably never graduated from high school and now is blaming others for his own failures.Without Unions there would be no premium pay,vacations,senioriy to protect against ass suckers,child labor abuse,women labor abuse,unsafe working conditions,discrimination against whites,blacks,and any worker who refused to give money to the bosses promotion gift,sexual abuse against employees by supervisors,age disrrimination and unfair wages.This engine is the best produced anywhere in the world-You can always spot a loser by their inexperience and the speed at which they repeat what they see onTV.

“Treat each day as your last, ”

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#12 Feb 11, 2008
Sam, if you aren't union I'll eat your fruit of the loom label from you shorts!

I've been there and your right, but on the other hand it's a business, and they can be bought, I found that out 25 years ago when I worked at a dealership and all the union brass hats drove new cars at contract time, hum what a coincidence?

Hey, Colorado Ray, I have an 04 k2500 Duramax also, have you chipped your's yet?

I was told that replied by simply saying BS, Well, I checked and my mileage went from 14 to 21 on paper, I kid you not and the torque makes me feel 17 again.

“America's future is bright!”

Since: Dec 07

Aurora, CO

#15 Feb 11, 2008
Wenis wrote:
Sam, if you aren't union I'll eat your fruit of the loom label from you shorts!
I've been there and your right, but on the other hand it's a business, and they can be bought, I found that out 25 years ago when I worked at a dealership and all the union brass hats drove new cars at contract time, hum what a coincidence?
Hey, Colorado Ray, I have an 04 k2500 Duramax also, have you chipped your's yet?
I was told that replied by simply saying BS, Well, I checked and my mileage went from 14 to 21 on paper, I kid you not and the torque makes me feel 17 again.
I have a 07 GMC crew cab duramax 4wd, my mileage on the highway is around 17. It runs stronger now after a year than when it was new.

“Treat each day as your last, ”

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#16 Feb 11, 2008
I've heard 17-18 miles per gallon from a few of my customers, mine always got 14. I was told look out when you get over the 36k mark, the warranty is up and the motor comes alive, BS.

I still got the same mileage and couldn't do a burn out in the dirt, then I got the HyperTec unit for $399 and now she kicks ass on my wifes Caravan, LOL

I like it, the only thing to watch for is when you pull hard or heavy and your in the #3 setting which is the performance mode that the engine could run hot or you may pick up a fuel knock, like you could hear that over the engine.

To each his own I guess. I love it.
Voice of Reality

Norwalk, OH

#17 Feb 11, 2008
"Please read and do not breed."

I love that.

And, "your kidding right" -

Your insight and knowledge into the workings of the auto industry and particularly GM is staggering.

Read and comply with the above, then come back when you know what the hell you're talking about.

“Treat each day as your last, ”

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#18 Feb 11, 2008
Well actually Leon Harrison is right on the nuts with the converted 350 gas engine, I was there and replaced a bunch of them.

Now, the DuraMax is a very solid engine, the problem with that is we can't pat ourselves on the back to fast, It's an Isuzu built engine, good one but Isuzu built engine.
Sam

Washington, DC

#19 Feb 12, 2008
GM owns Isusu.

“Treat each day as your last, ”

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#20 Feb 12, 2008
Yep, your right Sam, Gm did a good thing when they did that too.

I didn't know that they bought out Isuzu but merged the two company's, kind of like all the rest of them, know what I mean?
Rob

Louisville, KY

#21 Jun 5, 2008
Sam wrote:
Kent Dawg is a typical brainwashed idiot who talks about things he knows nothing about.He probably never graduated from high school and now is blaming others for his own failures.Without Unions there would be no premium pay,vacations,senioriy to protect against ass suckers,child labor abuse,women labor abuse,unsafe working conditions,discrimination against whites,blacks,and any worker who refused to give money to the bosses promotion gift,sexual abuse against employees by supervisors,age disrrimination and unfair wages.This engine is the best produced anywhere in the world-You can always spot a loser by their inexperience and the speed at which they repeat what they see onTV.
Not hardly the suck ass unions didn't do that the government put laws in place to protect us aginst that. Face unions are nothing more than localized terrorist driveing jobs out of the country with there strangle hold on companys. Screw unions and those who work union. Live better work union and ruin the nation and when you get layed off stand in a welfare line and visit the unemployment office.
Alan

Akron, OH

#22 Jun 5, 2008
Sam wrote:
Kent Dawg is a typical brainwashed idiot who talks about things he knows nothing about.He probably never graduated from high school and now is blaming others for his own failures.Without Unions there would be no premium pay,vacations,senioriy to protect against ass suckers,child labor abuse,women labor abuse,unsafe working conditions,discrimination against whites,blacks,and any worker who refused to give money to the bosses promotion gift,sexual abuse against employees by supervisors,age disrrimination and unfair wages.This engine is the best produced anywhere in the world-You can always spot a loser by their inexperience and the speed at which they repeat what they see onTV.
While you are correct about thanking unions for some work related guidelines we all benefit from, unions went too far and have lost their relevance, support and need by most. Unions have helped decimate many industries and are directly to blame for the economic woes in many parts of this country.
Alan

Akron, OH

#23 Jun 5, 2008
Sam wrote:
GM owns Isusu.
Yes, all of 12 percent.
Next

Cleveland, OH

#24 Jun 6, 2008
George N wrote:
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Caterpillar makes engines here and pays 800 workers around $18 top wage, and gets a good day's work for it. No way would that have gone to the rust belt.
So the idea here is to convert 50k northern salaries into 38k southern salaries? I guess the average U.S. salary isn't pathetic enough as is. Keep turning 50k jobs into 38k jobs and we'll all be jumping for joy around 4/15/1X.

Unless of course, this is some sort of economic Lex Luther scheme to create a huge 38k "middle class" to carry a $15 trillion plus load. In that case, you'd better fix the immigration policy because you're going to need a lot more people. This population can barely handle the current budget with a 42k average.
George N

Greer, SC

#25 Jun 6, 2008
Next wrote:
<quoted text>
So the idea here is to convert 50k northern salaries into 38k southern salaries? I guess the average U.S. salary isn't pathetic enough as is. Keep turning 50k jobs into 38k jobs and we'll all be jumping for joy around 4/15/1X.
Unless of course, this is some sort of economic Lex Luther scheme to create a huge 38k "middle class" to carry a $15 trillion plus load. In that case, you'd better fix the immigration policy because you're going to need a lot more people. This population can barely handle the current budget with a 42k average.
Wages being set by the market won't go down unless government fiat imposes it. Wages above market rates must be artificially propped up. The key to higher incomes is upgrading of skills, not tarrifs, government rules favoring unions, etc.

The overall consensus among most economists is that members of the UAW make too much money for performing unskilled labor and even those performing what the UAW considers "skilled" labor, isn't what the majority of the public thinks is skilled labor. The UAW has been gouging the big three for years and the party's over. It's time for UAW workers to work like the rest of America. But you should know that when a union member hears that, they just see red, because they think they earned it fair and square. Their reference point is never the marketplace. It is always the last contract (and what the company executives make).

$28 an hour is great, but $28 times zero hours makes for a lousy paycheck.

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