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#24093 Apr 11, 2013
In response to Mr. David Bowman union blog, section 2
I believe #2 is in the contract in case the taxpayers decline to fund the new contract with enough money.
The alternative is reducing expenses, staff, resources, etc to meet revenue.
That reduction won't be too bad if you have seniority, it is the younger teachers who need be concerned and will pay the price. Unfortunately, the young teachers are the very ones we need for the future, those with advanced seniority will be retiring in the not too distant future regardless.
Personally signing off and guaranteeing the contract does not mean the taxpayers will also sign off on its funding.
Given today's economic climate are we to believe a $9.2 million dollar renewal levy and another one for (how much much more money does the union want?) x number of dollars will pass?
If we go into Fiscal Watch because we spent too much money we did not have, the state will enforce the above.
Isn't it smarter too stay within your means rather than incur the joys of state control?
The ones who will pay the price first and foremost will be the youngest, the children, followed closely by the newest teachers, and the support staff, from bus drivers to custodians.
#24094 Apr 11, 2013
What we hear every day is that they will save us money and do a better job. Please see the facts. When has govt ever taken over anything and done it better for less? Please someone help me here?
Prove me wrong.
#24095 Apr 11, 2013
This should say "really stupid and really wrong".
Look at the facts, the kids are getting what they have always had and more your own comments prove that. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.
The district employees are getting more than what they had before. You are forgetting the step raises for 3 of those 5 years, education raises and the merit raises that actually match what the community has seen in raises so to imply that that was a sacrifice means that you can say that for our community members as they have "sacrificed" to pay their ever increasing property taxes while Sacrificing their raises also. If this sacrifice deserves enormous raises than we need to reduce property taxes by that amount to give our generous community and our sacrificing community members a raise for their sacrifice.
Maybe you should ask the treasurer what % of the Personnel budget increases have been for raises the last 5 years.
Mr. B. your rhetoric, is such a bunch of nonsense. Pay increases and benefits should match what the community they serve is seeing and not more. So lets see those #'s and maybe we can talk.
#24096 Apr 11, 2013
This politics of personal destruction launched against reform-minded board members is nothing more than OEA/SEA union activists' severely misguided strategy "to distract school district voters from the board's achievements by distorting their record of success."
No thanks to the "boosters" for joining the union activists in this war of words, spreading lies throughout the community about good Springboro citizens, who are willing and capable to serve as elected officials on the Board of Education.
Special Thanks to Mr. Petroni and Mr. Rigano for standing firm, doing what's right for our school children and our community.
Rarely do we see elected officials get to work for the people after they get elected, doing for the people what they said they would do. But, the record speaks for itself, and that's just the kind of honest civic- minded community leaders that we have in the leadership of Springboro Board of Education representatives, Mr. Petroni and Mr. Rigano. Thank You!
#24097 Apr 11, 2013
WOW you are living in a different world than any taxpayer. When people say you have to have skin in the game what that means is your money and everyone that lives in this country has skin in the game. Until we stop using Federal monies and State money and local money and just charge tuition for the full cost of education public education will never be and should never be allowed to have board members that only parents. You see a private school is aloud to have board members that they choose and are not elected for this reason.
As to solutions, elect people that hold education accountable, OH we did that, thank you for pointing this out. Good for us!
#24098 Apr 11, 2013
Untold people in this community volunteer time over and above what is required of them. Mr. Petroni is no different in that regard. BOE members receive $125 per board meeting, I don't believe they receive anything for the committee work, but don't quote that until you receive verification.
The typical board meeting runs 5 hours, so they get $25 an hour plus I think they get the 14% paid by the taxpayer retirement fund contribution.(Though I have my doubts whether or not any of them ever collect a dime).
Untold hours of research and preparation go into a board meeting if the member is to come prepared. Some members do not bother and just show up for the meeting solely dependent on others to present the facts and figures correctly. Without a certain degree of due diligence on the part of the board members, who can testify to the veracity of the facts or figures being presented.
If our teachers take home hours of work each night, then they know full well what Mr. Petroni and Mr. Rigano do each evening for a fraction of the money.
If you make a public records request they could dig up that information fairly quickly.
#24099 Apr 11, 2013
Go to the Transparency Project now available on the www.springboro.org web site. these questions can be answered.
#24100 Apr 11, 2013
That is because you have no manners.
#24101 Apr 11, 2013
The data on years of service and the impact on effective teaching is available at the ODE. ODE has given presentations on this topic. I think you would find it interesting.
They determined 7 years ago that years of service was not correlated with teaching effectiveness past three years of service.
Just ask the experts.
#24102 Apr 11, 2013
"Freedom is the right to question and change the established way of doing things. It is the continuous revolution of the marketplace. It is the understanding that allows us to recognize shortcomings and seek solutions."
#24103 Apr 11, 2013
Manners. That's cute. But good manners are accusing people of wrongdoing then not admitting you were wrong in your accusations when they are proven incorrect?
I have plenty of manners - thank you though. See, I just said thank you......
#24104 Apr 11, 2013
So you're saying that the board members do work outside of the board room? And that is different from the teachers how, but yet the teachers get bashed for just mentioning the fact that they do work on their own time but you praise the board members???
As for the busing, yeah they brought that back but don't forget who had to do without to allow that to happen - and don't forget we are paying our bus drivers $3 less than surrounding areas so let's see what quality bus drivers we actually get. As for the reduced pay to participate fees, yeah they reduced those but the board is now complaining that there is not enough money in the budget for all of the sports and therefore are forcing all of the sports to do additional fundraising - how does that make sense???? As for the technology, yeah they pushed to get that into all of the schools but lets not forget there is a requirment for all tests to be electronic by next year - they had to increase the technology in the schools. As for the superintendent, yeah they hired a new one, but lets not forget that everyone else dropped out that was considering the position and therefore Petrey was able to ask for additional $$$ which he got! How exactly does the new HR person do her job any better than the previous one, except for the fact that she is good at receiving resignations!
You asks what is undone, lets see - how about hiring some teachers to fill all of the open voids so that our students can take classes above and beyond the core English, Math, SS, and Science. How about offering classes that encourage our students to improve their education and test scores. How about actually praising some of our worthwhile teachers and students. How about finding ways to bring this community back together as one rather than continuing the language that separates this community. How about agreeing to pay our teachers competitive wages with some hope for increases in the future so that we can hope to hire competent teachers? There is a lot undone, not to mention the final question, how is this board going to encourage their constituents to vote for a continuing levy when all of their constituents only want a reduced tax bill and not a healthy school?????????
#24105 Apr 11, 2013
Any of you on here that support our BOE this question is for you. Do you think the contract proposal from the BOE to your teachers is fair? I read it and can't believe they had the gall to offer such a contract. What are your reasons for supporting this proposal? Do you all feel it's ok that the BOE will only meet on Fridays to discuss the contracts? Not sure if this is true or not but apparently Rigano will only meet on Fridays. In my opinion both sides should meet everyday until an agreement is reached. Why are they dragging their feet? If they are "for the kids".(Both sides) shouldn't their number one priority be to avoid a strike?
#24106 Apr 11, 2013
get out of our forum you Kommie from Kalifornia. Stick to bankrupting your own state.
#24107 Apr 11, 2013
Bend your mind a little so you can attempt to think like a politician. There is solid reasoning behind why our BOE has taken this stubborn initial line.
The board majority certainly knows, at the end of the day, they'll end up giving a certain amount of ground. In business negitiations, one hundred percent of the time it is easier to start out saying "NO" then finish with a some "YESes", than it is to start out the other way around.
Scott Maney's been around long enough to understand this strategy. But of course he'll happily keep his mouth clamped shut so the teachers and the SEA can continue to work the current manipulative red shirt brainwashing scheme on our district's student population. Of course along with all other stupidity, this will soon pass. Maney certainly understands the word compromise is on the near horizon for Boro teachers as well.
#24108 Apr 11, 2013
Because of our children first budgeting "reform-minded" BOE majority, OUR schools are HEALTHIER than ever before, thanks to the "healing financial prescription" of Dr. Kohls, Mr. Petroni and Mr. Rigano, doing what's right for our school children and community, assuring a quality education for our children in a very "sick" economy.
Not only are our schools "healthy" but our schools our SAFER today than before 2009 (when Dr. Kohls was elected by concerned citizens as our first reform-minded board representative). It did take a long process of failing five unnecesary levies and two school board elections, but concerned citizens stayed to the task and in November 2011, finally elected a reform-minded BOE majority.
Do you remember how previous board members ignored our kids' needs such as textbooks, materials and supplies for our classrooms, safety transportation needs and repairs to our buildings and properties? And at every board meeting all the public heard from the SEA is ..."WE NEED A BAND-AID" meaning a new levy to pay for increased salaries and benefits for union employees, all the while board members (prior to Dr. Kohls' coming on board) were IGNORING all the needs of our school children!
Do you remember how the five year forecast (before Mr. Petroni and Mr. Rigano were elected to the board) did not include textbooks?
Now this year the district purchased $400,000 in new textbooks for the K-5 levels and the board has budgeted for more materials and supplies to the classroom, more special ed and gifted services...
all for children FIRST.
Do you remember before Dr. Kohls, Mr. Petroni and Mr. Rigano were elected to the board, that the past 5 year forecast did not include repairs needed to our buildings --Windows, heating and air conditioning systems, roofs, and many more items for creating a SAFE and comfortable environment for our kids? NOW the school district has budgeted $2.5 million for a capitol investment plan as recommended to us by an audit firm and our own administrative assessments. This capitol plan will be able to replace, roofs, windowns, paint, flooring and other infrastructures as needed. Again, this was NOT done in previous forecasts.
... and there is so much MORE....
#24109 Apr 11, 2013
Springboro parents and taxpaying homeowners remember that our school district has a vastly aging fleet of buses that have not been getting replaced (by board members prior to Dr. Kohls, Mr. Petroni and Mr. Rigano) on a "SCHEDULE" so that means many can no longer run, and others that "fail" loaded with our kids.
Now, under the leadership of our children first budgeting BOE majority, our school district has budgeted for transportation needs of our kids so that they can be safely transported to and from school. The school district has purchased eleven new buses this year! and will purchase nine more over the next few years for a total of twenty new buses! The school district has allocated two million for transportation needs.
AGAIN, please remember that this safety planning for our kids was never planned BEFORE this current board of members, including Dr. Kohls, Mr. Petroni and Mr. Rigano.
and there is more!
#24110 Apr 11, 2013
Yes, of course they work outside the BOA. I never said they didn't. I said they didn't work on the board primarily for the pay. I've never bashed teachers for working on their own time. Your delirious and confusing me with someone else.
Tough for the bus drivers but everyone is doing more with less money. Thank Obama for driving the price of groceries, gas, and everything up.
If sports have to do more fundraising what do you care? Retired folks and people with no children shouldn't have to shoulder that burden should they?
Regarding the new HR person, your personal whine on them is rich.
Regarding teacher pay, as union workers they should have their pay and benefits reduced to match non-union workers. It's a matter of basic fairness and will promote equality in employment. That's one way you get people to vote on a new levy.
Also... Fire the lame teachers before hiring new ones. I'm good with that as there are plenty of teachers who WANT to teach. The union-first crowd only cares about lining their pockets. If they REALLY cared about the children they would get rid of the dead weight, lousy teachers and replace them with someone who wants to teach.
To start, how about getting rid of the grotesquely overweight JHS spanish teacher that can't use a computer and uses hand written assignments to pass out to the kids.
For example, every year my kids have to pick new class schedules and they already know which teachers/classes to avoid. They just hope they don't get stuck with one that has a bad rep. On the other side of that coin, there are plenty of good teachers and they are known by the kids as well.
ug. too much other whiny, woe is me dribble to address.
#24111 Apr 11, 2013
Under the responsible leadership of our BOE majority of reform minded members (including Dr. Kohls, Mr. Petroni and Mr. Rigano) our Springboro school district is not only healthier than ever before, but Springboro parents and taxpaying homeowners have a CLEAR representation of what this board represents, and it is CLEARLY for our kids FIRST! And that means we can all REMEMBER during these difficult challenges being faced by our school board; that our children first budgeting board members ARE making sure that OUR KIDS ARE NO VICTIMS HERE (as they were in the past).
Why in the world would any parent or concerned citizen choose NOT to fully support the leadership of our board members who have a proven record of supporting OUR CHILDREN FIRST!
#24112 Apr 11, 2013
Thank goodness for transparency! I took some time to analyze the salary data that has been provided on the school website. This is not a complete analysis, but a representative sample of the first 3 pages of salary information, which includes 138 employees. Here is what I found:
17% of the employees have not had a raise, step or otherwise, for 4 years FY10,11,12,13.
75% of the employees have not had a raise, step or otherwise, for 3 years FY11,12,13.
8% of the employees received a step raise sometime between FY10-13.(But not every year during that time period.)
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